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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #12933782 - 07/22/10 01:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I did this with grapefruit juice ad it used to be THE way I took my shrooms. I stopped after a pretty nasty bout of vomiting. Very painful. Can not look at grapefruit juice again without getting nauseous. Sometimes I'll get taste flashbacks where I have this lingering taste of it in my mouth and brain for like a day. Sucks.

Shrooms are nasty. They're physically nasty and I always think I'm poisoning myself when I eat them.

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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #12933926 - 07/22/10 03:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Psilocin can be obtained by dephosphorylation of natural psilocybin under strongly acidic or under alkaline conditions (hydrolysis). Another synthetic route uses the Speeter-Anthony tryptamine synthesis starting from 4-hydroxyindole.




OK, interesting.  I wonder, how acidic/alkaline, though? 

Yes, psilocin degrades in the presence of oxygen. That's why you want to store your dried shrooms in an oxygen free airtight container.

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I also wonder how acidic the conditions have to be. I looked up psilocybin at Wikipedia again:

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Psilocybin (O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) is a prodrug that is converted into the pharmacologically active compound psilocin in the body by a dephosphorylation reaction.[20] This chemical reaction takes place under strongly acidic conditions, or under physiological conditions in the body, through the action of enzymes called phosphatases.

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Psilocybin is a zwitterionic alkaloid that is soluble in water, moderately soluble in methanol and ethanol, and insoluble in most organic solvents. Exposure to light is detrimental to the stability of aqueous solutions of psilocybin, and will cause it to rapidly oxidize—an important consideration when using it as an analytical standard.[21] A method for the large-scale synthesis of psilocybin was reported by a Japanese group in 2003.


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Thus the body converts psilocybin into psilocin under strongly acidic conditions or by enzymatic dephosphorylation.

Another interesting piece of information I found(also by wikipedia) is the following:

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Baeocystin is a mushroom alkaloid and analog of the psychedelic hallucinogenic drug psilocybin, a tryptamine derivative. It is found as a minor compound in most psychoactive mushrooms together with psilocybin, norbaeocystin, and psilocin. Little information exists with regard to human pharmacology, but in Magic Mushrooms Around the World, Jochen Gartz reports being aware of a study in which "10 mg of baeocystin were found to be about as psychoactive as a similar amount of psilocybin."
First isolated from the mushroom Psilocybe baeocystis,[1] and later from P. semilanceata (Repke & Leslie 1977) and first synthesized by Troxler et al. (1959) Baeocystin is a demethylated derivative of psilocybin.


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The last piece of information seemed interesting to me, maybe someone else can give some more information about the conditions under which demethylation takes place.

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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? *DELETED* [Re: Evolution]
    #12933941 - 07/22/10 03:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? [Re: grischnackh]
    #12933955 - 07/22/10 03:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Psilocin can be obtained by dephosphorylation of natural psilocybin under strongly acidic or under alkaline conditions (hydrolysis). Another synthetic route uses the Speeter-Anthony tryptamine synthesis starting from 4-hydroxyindole.




OK, interesting.  I wonder, how acidic/alkaline, though? 

Yes, psilocin degrades in the presence of oxygen. That's why you want to store your dried shrooms in an oxygen free airtight container.

Peace
-PS




I also wonder how acidic the conditions have to be. I looked up psilocybin at Wikipedia again.......

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Last piece of information seemed interesting to me, maybe someone else can give some more information about the conditions under which demethylation takes place.




Maybe not that acidic, if there are enzymes involved. The link above in my previous post seems to suggest that there are phosphatases in fungal tissue of cubes.

In terms of how acidic, these guys reported dephosphorylation at pH of about 4, with heating. Lemon juice pH is about 2-3.




So far as I see there are two ways by which psilocybin is converted into psilocin. Either by dephosphorylation or under strongly acidic conditions.

I do think that the more acidic the solution is, the more H+ there are 'swimming free', the faster the process takes place.


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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? *DELETED* [Re: Evolution]
    #12933991 - 07/22/10 03:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? [Re: grischnackh]
    #12934508 - 07/22/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I always thought that the breakdown of fruitbody material by the citric acid made the actives easier for the body to absorb, along with the increased surface area of the ground shrooms.  The effects seems stronger because the liquid with the actives in it is absorbed faster (including sublingually) and the actives hit all at once, as opposed to being absorbed more slowly as the digestive track first breaks down the fruitbody material THEN absorbs the actives from it.  This makes sense to me because pulling the actives into water (shroom tea) has the exact same effect as the lemon tek.  JMHO, I have no facts to back this up.

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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #12935308 - 07/22/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I agree I always thought it just helped pull all the actives out of the powder to make them easier for the body to digest. 

Why don't people just make great shroom lemonade.  Use lemon tek then add spring water and sugar.  I think this is delicious and it is my favorite way to take them.  If you are worried about coming up to quick then drink half the bottle of lemonade then sip on it for the next half hour until you are tripping fine.


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Re: why wouldn't you use the lemon juice tekk???? [Re: chef Jay]
    #12935479 - 07/22/10 01:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

thanks everyone learned a lot that i wasnt expecting from this thread:tongue2:


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