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OfflineRipVanWinkle
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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #12932554 - 07/21/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well I've felt that connection too.  I've felt the same connection to everything around me while under the influence of GHB and hydrocodone too.

You know why?

Because that sometimes happens when you get fucked up.

Sure, I can see how everything I do is connected to everything that happens in the world, and that I am not separate from anything at all but rather I am a tiny cell in an infinitely huge organism, and psychedelics and buddhism both played a roll in teaching me that.

So sure, I'll say that mushrooms can LEAD to spiritual experience, but I will not say that mushrooms themselves are spiritual.


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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #12932577 - 07/21/10 08:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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RipVanWinkle said:
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
most of the time you can't even remember what happened, except that it was incredibly profound.




Sounds beneficial to your spiritual well being.  :rolleyes:




Have you ever had a dream that you remember waking up and saying, "Woah!?" but you don't even remember what happened - except the feeling you received while in the dream?  It's the same exact thing.

If you haven't had an epiphany or a ++++, then you cannot understand or know what one who has is talking about - it's a completely subjective experience that is personal to the individual.

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #12932583 - 07/21/10 08:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

the connection isn't to what you're talking about... we are talking about two different things on that subject. the connection i mean is more of dualistic connection... you can connect... and you can see where you are false and true.

it's not really about enlightenment.

now lastly... you feel connected over being fucked up on drugs? sounds fucked to me. care to explain?

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: Apostle]
    #12932612 - 07/21/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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FatChicksNcoke said:
they are WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO BE.

/thread




I want them to be trees that have hundred dollar bills for leaves, but they aren't.




thanks for completely taking that out of context.

:thumbup:


in case you actually needed this explanation... here it is.

what i said was in regards to the topic,
whether mushrooms are spiritual or just recreational.

they are whatever you want them to be.


on a different note:

if you believe they will be and are trees fitting your descriptions, they are and will be those trees.


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:bobmarley: Shroomism said:
biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences.:lsdabc:


HappyTrippin said:
I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own.

Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #12932615 - 07/21/10 08:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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spiritual wellbeing... ugh... what do you do for that?


SERIOUSLY LET ME KNOW




I treat other people better than I treat myself.  I care for abandoned pets and orphaned animals until I can find them homes or until they can fend for themselves in the wild (in case of wild animals such as the racoons and birds I have raised).  I don't sit in my room eating mushrooms, pretending to have all the answers.
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the connection isn't to what you're talking about... we are talking about two different things on that subject. the connection i mean is more of dualistic connection... you can connect... and you can see where you are false and true.

it's not really about enlightenment.

now lastly... you feel connected over being fucked up on drugs? sounds fucked to me. care to explain?




Can't really explain a feeling, but obviously you both have experienced something I have never experienced.  So maybe I am wrong.  But still, I'm curious how these "spiritual" psychedelic experiences have benefited you at all other than having felt strong emotional awe.  What makes you call them "spiritual"?


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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #12932619 - 07/21/10 08:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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BiG_StroOnZ said:
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RipVanWinkle said:
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FatChicksNcoke said:
they are WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO BE.

/thread




What a load of hippie garbage




:thumbdown:





wow, nice edit winkle.


you fail hard. :durrhurr:


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:bobmarley: Shroomism said:
biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences.:lsdabc:


HappyTrippin said:
I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own.

Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #12932624 - 07/21/10 08:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

don't put me together with anyone... you fuck. jesus. why are you being so defensive? i am not agree with anyone with probably the exception of you. i am talking to you afterall.

god, you seem to act like you know all the answers. guess giving animals homes amounts to knowing it all, too.

and oh yeah.... i am not talking about the same thing he or you are talking about. appearently you ahve a good head on your shoulders but really your answers... are no better or worse still then ones mystical awe.

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
    #12932655 - 07/21/10 09:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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FatChicksNcoke said:
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RipVanWinkle said:
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FatChicksNcoke said:
they are WHATEVER YOU WANT THEM TO BE.

/thread




I want them to be trees that have hundred dollar bills for leaves, but they aren't.




thanks for completely taking that out of context.

:thumbup:


in case you actually needed this explanation... here it is.

what i said was in regards to the topic,
whether mushrooms are spiritual or just recreational.

they are whatever you want them to be.


on a different note:

if you believe they will be and are trees fitting your descriptions, they are and will be those trees.




No they won't, they will be mushrooms.  Mushrooms do not have leaves, and no matter how much you WANT them to be trees, they never will be.

Just because you WANT something to be spiritual doesn't mean it will be.  I want duct tape to be spiritual, cuz i got PLENTY of that shit, but that doesn't mean it CAN be spiritual.


And in regard to the edit, I never denied saying that, because it IS a load of hippie bullshit.  I just edited it to replace it with something that didn't sound so degrading.


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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #12932690 - 07/21/10 09:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I should have known better than to even open this thread while pissed off and drunk.  Nothing I am saying is getting across what I intend for it too

No, I don't have all the answers.  As a matter of fact, I don't know shit about much at all.

All I know is that there is no such thing as a spiritual object, only objects that lead to spiritual thought and experience.  And I do consider drugs "objects".

The question was "Are mushrooms spiritual or just a recreational drug"?

My answer was that they are recreational drugs that can lead to spiritual experiences, but that mushrooms themselves are not spiritual.

I'll revisit this thread in the morning and will hopefully be able to clarify my stance on this topic.  Until then, I'm sorry if I got too worked up over nothing...


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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #12932709 - 07/21/10 09:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I should have known better than to even open this thread while pissed off


and drunk. 





there ya go.


that explains your ignorance.



they will be whatever you want them to be, in any way, shape, or form.

if you cant see that, sorry.

im not gonna try to convince another close minded individual any more than i have.


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:bobmarley: Shroomism said:
biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences.:lsdabc:


HappyTrippin said:
I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own.

Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
    #12932740 - 07/21/10 09:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hey, wait a minute... at least he admitted to being pissed off or wahtever.


*claps*

go van wink.

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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
    #12932787 - 07/21/10 09:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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RipVanWinkle said:
I should have known better than to even open this thread while pissed off


and drunk. 





there ya go.


that explains your ignorance.



they will be whatever you want them to be, in any way, shape, or form.

if you cant see that, sorry.

im not gonna try to convince another close minded individual any more than i have.




Just because I'm an angry drunk doesn't mean I'm close minded and ignorant.  And it doesn't mean that mushrooms can be trees with $100 leaves either.  They can be LIKE that if you sell them and rake in the cash, but they will never BE that.

Learn the difference between a simile and a fact, biiiiiitch :macdre:


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Re: Are mushrooms spiritual and or just a recreational drug? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #12932819 - 07/21/10 09:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Learn the difference between a simile and a fact, biiiiiitch :macdre:





:lolsy:



:huxleyfacepalm:


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:bobmarley: Shroomism said:
biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences.:lsdabc:


HappyTrippin said:
I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own.

Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha

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