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"You are the other"
#12925643 - 07/20/10 04:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you think about this? What does this mean to you?
Is this just a way to look at the world or is it more literal?
I think if people dwelled on this more there would perhaps be fewer problems and more compassion. Thoughts?
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When I see someone acting in a negative way, it shows me I have something to change in myself.
When I found out about the oil spill, I knew I had something DRASTIC to change in myself.
Anything I see that bothers me in physical reality, is because I have a belief or definition that allows it to still be in my reality.
My interpretation.
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Angel_Above said: When I see someone acting in a negative way, it shows me I have something to change in myself.
When I found out about the oil spill, I knew I had something DRASTIC to change in myself.
Anything I see that bothers me in physical reality, is because I have a belief or definition that allows it to still be in my reality.
My interpretation.
are you implying you see yourself personally at fault in some degree for seemingly external events?
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That's an interesting take on it. I guess it comes back to that idea that the unconscious conspires with the world or 'world psyche' to bring about events to change errors emanating from the conscious ego... but how something like an oil spill or a tsunami that wipes out hundreds of thousands could bring about change I'm not so sure - perhaps it's a kind of warning from the collective unconscious that the collective personality is in tatters? Perhaps it wasn't punishing or teaching, but simply expressing the energies we have repressed collectively?
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JackofSpades said:
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Angel_Above said: When I see someone acting in a negative way, it shows me I have something to change in myself.
When I found out about the oil spill, I knew I had something DRASTIC to change in myself.
Anything I see that bothers me in physical reality, is because I have a belief or definition that allows it to still be in my reality.
My interpretation.
are you implying you see yourself personally at fault in some degree for seemingly external events?
Idk where I learned this approach, but I know for me, at least, it works.
Anything that happens "outside" is a reflection of what truths I hold to be evident "inside," so anytime something outside happens that is overly negative or filled with fear and emotions similar, it is because I allowed that to exist in my consciousness.
Nothing happens that I do not ultimately allow to happen. Because it happens, it shows me that I have a definition or belief that is out of alignment with my "higher self" and it is reflected back to me in physical reality in a way that seemed "negative" so that I could make changes to experience a more positive life.
Sorry I can't explain it better, I just know how you are with word choices so I had to make sure I spent time thinking about these.
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'I Am me' experiencing being an individual person 'I Am everything' experiencing being the universe
Which one is true? Which one is the delusion?
I feel the delusion of being a person appears within the truth of being the universe
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Re: "You are the other" [Re: Chronic7]
#12929666 - 07/21/10 11:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is interesting.
i guess the thing to figure out is "who am i" or "what am i" and then from there it boils down to either are you your psychological identity or are you just awareness.
if you are just awareness than you are everyone and everyone is you the only reason it seems otherwise is because "you" (awareness) are hiding behind this make believe identity for ego kicks
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I still have the feeling of me/you, but i can also at times feel others emotions just as intense as if they were mine That only usually happens if i can see your eyes though, behind internet pseudonyms its a bit more masked
All the individualities appear in the bigger picture, so its like ceasing to restrict & limit yourself into any particular individual identity, so then you have a much wider scope of experience available, just like if you walk into a room and see a beautiful girl you want, you wont notice the blind mans dog, the painting on the wall etc, you'll just see the girl. If you limit your consciousness to one identity or desire, its severely restricts the range of experience possible for the consciousness in that body, the identity will completely shift the possibility of an expansive universal experience of awareness, into a contracted personal sense.
Its also like all forms come from the formless, thats the essence, so when you find the formless in yourself its like you can reform into many different forms rather than just this one particular form
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Re: "You are the other" [Re: Chronic7]
#12929856 - 07/21/10 12:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: I still have the feeling of me/you, but i can also at times feel others emotions just as intense as if they were mine That only usually happens if i can see your eyes though, behind internet pseudonyms its a bit more masked
are you talking about while tripping or just in sobriety? I experience this while tripping but in sobriety i feel locked in my own feelings and emotions. when im tripping its like everyone in the room melts their feelings and emotions into one collective puddle to be experienced by all. the whole idea of "vibing" comes from this imo
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Chronic777 said:All the individualities appear in the bigger picture, so its like ceasing to restrict & limit yourself into any particular individual identity, so then you have a much wider scope of experience available, just like if you walk into a room and see a beautiful girl you want, you wont notice the blind mans dog, the painting on the wall etc, you'll just see the girl. If you limit your consciousness to one identity or desire, its severely restricts the range of experience possible for the consciousness in that body, the identity will completely shift the possibility of an expansive universal experience of awareness, into a contracted personal sense.
Its also like all forms come from the formless, thats the essence, so when you find the formless in yourself its like you can reform into many different forms rather than just this one particular form
this sounds just like what Robert wilson calls metaprogramming, consciously altering your conditioning to change "reality tunnels"
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Chronic777 said: I still have the feeling of me/you, but i can also at times feel others emotions just as intense as if they were mine That only usually happens if i can see your eyes though, behind internet pseudonyms its a bit more masked
are you talking about while tripping or just in sobriety? I experience this while tripping but in sobriety i feel locked in my own feelings and emotions. when im tripping its like everyone in the room melts their feelings and emotions into one collective puddle to be experienced by all. the whole idea of "vibing" comes from this imo
I haven't tripped in almost a year now, i feel like im tripping most of the time though due to my meditation Meditation gives me pretty much the same effects in my experience, i honestly feel like im tripping right now.
You know when your tripping & your like 'i want it to be like this forever'
Well, it is
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Re: "You are the other" [Re: Chronic7]
#12930030 - 07/21/10 12:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: I still have the feeling of me/you, but i can also at times feel others emotions just as intense as if they were mine That only usually happens if i can see your eyes though, behind internet pseudonyms its a bit more masked
are you talking about while tripping or just in sobriety? I experience this while tripping but in sobriety i feel locked in my own feelings and emotions. when im tripping its like everyone in the room melts their feelings and emotions into one collective puddle to be experienced by all. the whole idea of "vibing" comes from this imo
I haven't tripped in almost a year now, i feel like im tripping most of the time though due to my meditation Meditation gives me pretty much the same effects in my experience, i honestly feel like im tripping right now.
You know when your tripping & your like 'i want it to be like this forever'
Well, it is 
yeah meditation is great. ive just started using binuaral beats (mainly for anxiety) but i recommend trying them out for sure.
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are you saying you are responsible for the experience of the event or responsible for the event itself?
like when the oil spill occurred where you like I need to change because how i reacted to this or because i need to change because i helped cause this?
i always wonder how much influence we have in seemingly separate events. however we know there are no isolated events
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Re: "You are the other" [Re: Chronic7]
#12930045 - 07/21/10 12:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heh heh, tripping is so 2000s. Get with the times, it's the 2010s now amiright?
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Thats cool man if you feel it helps you keep doing it, i only practice self inquiry, its like the master key of meditation, opens all the doors...
Right now im feeling so much bliss its almost unbearable, i think its cause my bodies so tired from exercising aswell, its all a bit too much lol
Fuckin great tho...
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Re: "You are the other" [Re: Chronic7]
#12930118 - 07/21/10 12:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Thats cool man if you feel it helps you keep doing it, i only practice self inquiry, its like the master key of meditation, opens all the doors...
Right now im feeling so much bliss its almost unbearable, i think its cause my bodies so tired from exercising aswell, its all a bit too much lol
Fuckin great tho...
self-inquiery meaning introspection while meditating?
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Its very subtle, it is an introspection of sorts, yet even introspection is a tangible appearance in what inquiry is Its so so subtle though, theres nothing for your mind to sink its teeth into, the contemplation is light Like space contemplating itself, thinning the mind out into the space thats already here, and that space is infinite.
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Re: "You are the other" [Re: Chronic7]
#12930360 - 07/21/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Its very subtle, it is an introspection of sorts, yet even introspection is a tangible appearance in what inquiry is Its so so subtle though, theres nothing for your mind to sink its teeth into, the contemplation is light Like space contemplating itself, thinning the mind out into the space thats already here, and that space is infinite.
i just mediated for 23 minutes. i got that exact vibe. just experiencing boundless energy
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Im happy for you, i wasn't happy with my explanation of self inquiry though Experiencing that boundless energy & trying to put it into words is impossible, 'boundless energy' is a nice way though 
Its incredible how the mind can appear to cover this
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