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Enlightenment and the physical body
#12921464 - 07/19/10 09:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive noticed that many people believe that when someone becomes enlightened that they no longer exist in the physical form. I don't think this is true, Gautama Buddha is said to have attained enlightenment and to have continued to live on earth and teach for another 45 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha#Enlightenment
Edited by DimensionX (07/19/10 09:21 PM)
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: DimensionX]
#12921558 - 07/19/10 09:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think you are still with the physical body but not attatched to it, you know?
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: DimensionX]
#12921560 - 07/19/10 09:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well they probably realise they are consciousness itself, not the body. What is meant by the idea that they no longer exist in the physical form is that they no longer identify with it.
Besides, the body is a holographic illusion. You can literally change your appearance at will when you learn how, just as if it were a ... dream ...
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: JackofSpades]
#12921883 - 07/19/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: i think you are still with the physical body but not attatched to it, you know?
Yeah i think thats true, you would realize that the body has no form just like everything else in the universe. Interesting that i don't think buddha believed in the idea of soul being separate from the body, he was kind of atheist in many ways, just that both the body and the mind are both inherently formless.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: DimensionX]
#12922417 - 07/20/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: Ive noticed that many people believe that when someone becomes enlightened that they no longer exist in the physical form. I don't think this is true, Gautama Buddha is said to have attained enlightenment and to have continued to live on earth and teach for another 45 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha#Enlightenment
Yeah, I've heard that a lot from christian apologists, as if upon enlightenment the body is supposed to dematerialize.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: DimensionX]
#12922726 - 07/20/10 02:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: Ive noticed that many people believe that when someone becomes enlightened that they no longer exist in the physical form. I don't think this is true, Gautama Buddha is said to have attained enlightenment and to have continued to live on earth and teach for another 45 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha#Enlightenment
I will give my two cents.
I think this is just a misunderstanding. I think the enlightened people have to ability to CHOOSE if they want to die cause they have mastered the energy gates of the body were the roots of consciousness begin from.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: DimensionX]
#12922880 - 07/20/10 04:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Perhaps enlightenment is the realization that the physical form is merely an illusion and the true nature of reality is radically different than the way most organisms perceive it?
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: NlightNd1]
#12925078 - 07/20/10 02:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by rikuni (03/15/14 04:25 AM)
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: rikuni]
#12925095 - 07/20/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You seem awfully sure about that.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: blewmeanie]
#12925131 - 07/20/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buddha was unique he was the avatar or the god-man. According to Meher Baba after god-realisation you drop the body after 1-3 days.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: circastes]
#12926098 - 07/20/10 05:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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circastes said: You can literally change your appearance at will when you learn how...
How does one learn to do this?
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: Poid]
#12926133 - 07/20/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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circastes said: You can literally change your appearance at will when you learn how...
How does one learn to do this?
buy new clothes
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: JackofSpades]
#12926157 - 07/20/10 05:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think that's what he meant.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: Poid]
#12926198 - 07/20/10 06:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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maybe it's maybelline
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: blewmeanie]
#12926286 - 07/20/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Perhaps...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: Poid]
#12926384 - 07/20/10 06:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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circastes said: You can literally change your appearance at will when you learn how...
How does one learn to do this?
"What one thinketh, that doth one become. This is the eternal mystery." -Upanishads
I can't really say I know too much about it, but if you're game, stare at yourself in the mirror and let your thoughts come to a halt. Take note of how your eyes change. Your true form is the form that is there when there is no intrusion by thought. You will look different depending on what's on your mind. Most people never notice this because they're too busy being worker bees or their thoughts are always the same, so they think THEY are always the same.
It's especially noticeable on mushrooms, if you have a low dose or during the come-up, because mushrooms take away all the conventional thought and image you have of yourself (usually). It's no hallucination, as it's constant, and others will notice it.
This is what Bill Hicks meant when he said "we are the imagination of ourselves". You might think of the body or the image in the mirror as well as the appearance of the world around you as being the sum total of your thoughts; what you've willed yourself to be.
I know it sounds mad, but you've just got to accept your mind is doing all this, and in a benevolent way.
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Re: Enlightenment and the physical body [Re: circastes] 1
#12926888 - 07/20/10 08:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can literally change your appearance at will when you learn how...
I can't really say I know too much about it,
I just want to point out how often these contradictory statements are the case with you.
Just sayin'
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