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OfflineAngry Mycologist
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The rally is being countered.....
    #1291127 - 02/08/03 02:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What I recieved in my in box today (about the February 15 anti-war rally), I'm having trouble believing this:

Dear Friend of United for Peace and Justice:

United for Peace and Justice filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday morning
against the City of New York over its refusal to issue us a march
permit for February 15. We had requested a permit to assemble near
the United Nations, march past the UN, and then march through Manhattan
to a rally location near Central Park. The City countered by saying
that we could have a "stationary event" but not a march.

We have a hearing scheduled for Friday at 3PM at the Federal Courthouse
in Manhattan. If you are in the New York City area, you can help
defend your right to public protest by joining a rally outside the courthouse beginning at 2PM.

WHEN: 2-4PM, Friday, February 7
WHERE: United States Federal Courthouse, Foley Square, Centre & Worth Streets, Manhattan
SUBWAY: 4/5/6 to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall or N/R/W to City Hall
MORE INFO: (646) 473-8935

Wherever you live, we ask that you keep up the pressure on NYC Mayor
Bloomberg and the NYPD by continuing to make phone calls in support
of our right to march -- even if you've called already.

**NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg: 212-788-9600, 212-788-3010, 212-788-3040
**NYC Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly: 646-610-8526
**NYPD Chief of Department Joseph Esposito: 646-610-6710

But we're not letting the February 15 permit problem distract us
from our central goal of filling the streets of New York City with
a massive, passionate gathering for peace. This may be our last
chance to prevent the Iraq war.

We have an impressive list of speakers and performers lined up, including:
* Nobel Laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu
* Patti Smith
* Angela Y. Davis
* Martin Luther King, III
* Eli Pariser (MoveOn.org)
* Phyllis Bennis
* Rosie Perez
* Julian Bond
* Pete Seeger
* Def Poetry Jam poets
* Holly Near
* Tony Kushner
* Danny Glover
* Harry Belafonte
* Representatives from 9/11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows

If your group is organizing a contingent for the February 15 march,
please let us know now -- even without knowing the march location,
it will greatly help our planning. Contact Julie Zuckerman at zuckdav@aol.com

We're gearing up for a huge leafleting blitz this weekend, February
8-9. Leaflets in English, Spanish, Korean, French, and Creole are
available for downloading on our website at http://www.unitedforpeace.org/feb15

There are many other resources available on our website, including
ride and housing boards, transportation information, links to anti-war
protests around the world, and a place where your organization can endorse February 15.

Globally, February 15 promises to be the single largest day of anti-war
protest in world history. Make your plans to come to New York City
-- nothing will stop this massive gathering for peace.

For those of you who live closer to the West Coast, there will be
another powerful anti-war protest on Sunday, February 16, in San
Francisco. For information on this important demonstration see:

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php?calid=1138

Sincerely,
The February 15 organizing staff of
United for Peace and Justice


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1291140 - 02/08/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

im going to pm you about this, just so you know :wink: 


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1291782 - 02/08/03 08:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I hope they still do it...


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: angryshroom]
    #1292021 - 02/08/03 09:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well, at least there's a location now.......First Ave and 49th street.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1292548 - 02/09/03 06:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

IMO not issuing a permit clearly violates the First Amendment. In fact, even having to get a permit is a violation.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Anonymous]
    #1292842 - 02/09/03 08:56 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

IMO not issuing a permit clearly violates the First Amendment. In fact, even having to get a permit is a violation.



That's exactly what I thought. Although, the constitution does only imply the freedom of the people to "assemble", not to "march". This is still freedom of expression though....


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1292860 - 02/09/03 09:05 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

IMO not issuing a permit clearly violates the First Amendment. In fact, even having to get a permit is a violation.



That's exactly what I thought. Although, the constitution does only imply the freedom of the people to "assemble", not to "march". This is still freedom of expression though....




There's no 'imply' about it, it is explicit...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.
"
-- US 1st Amendment


"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
-- US 9th Amendment


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Evolving]
    #1292912 - 02/09/03 09:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I don't understand why they think they can get away with such blatant ignorance of the constitution then.  :mad: 


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1292920 - 02/09/03 09:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't understand why they think they can get away with such blatant ignorance of the constitution then.  :mad: 



We're living under the Bush administration.  What did you expect?  It seems pretty clear to me that the Constitution means nothing now.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1292932 - 02/09/03 09:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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We're living under the Bush administration.



Give Bush a break here. For many years in most major cities you must have a permit to have a march/parade.

You don't seem foolish, but for you to blame Bush for NYC not issuing a march permit sure is.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1292938 - 02/09/03 09:32 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not saying he's at fault. I'm just saying that under his administration any violation of the Constitution should come as no surprise.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1292939 - 02/09/03 09:32 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It was no different under Clinton.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1292959 - 02/09/03 09:40 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

We didn't have the Patriot Act under Clinton.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1292970 - 02/09/03 09:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You're correct in that. We merely had a rapist who didn't mind using the IRS to get revenge on those who annoyed him. We had a man who perjured himself. Someone who bombed an aspirin factory because he was caught with his pants down. A bigot, racist anti-semite.

Oh yeah, and he wasted a perfectly good cigar.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1292976 - 02/09/03 09:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

All of which pales in comparison to Bush.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1293000 - 02/09/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Not according to the majority of Americans. Although I agree the Patriot Act blows. I believe it will be ruled unconstitutional.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1293003 - 02/09/03 09:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Not by the same Supreme Court that brought Bush into power(since you get so offended when I say they "elected" him).


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1293007 - 02/09/03 09:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Be honest, they did not bring him into power/select/elect or anything of the sort.

They merely didn't allow the rules to be fucked with in the middle of the game.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1293016 - 02/09/03 09:59 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The rules weren't fucked with. It was a closely contested election and Gore had every right to demand a recount. The Supreme Court ordered the recount to stop.


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Re: The rally is being countered..... [Re: silversoul7]
    #1293029 - 02/09/03 10:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Gore demanded a selective recount and it would have taken past the Florida state deadline. Gore's team wanted the deadline put aside for them. This was a blatant effort to fuck with the rules. Hence illegal and unconstitutional.

The US constitution also has a date where results must be turned in.

And to top it all off, when the recount was done after Bush was in, Gore still lost. Funny thing was he lost by even a larger margin when the votes were added up in the selected counties he wanted. Look it up, it's east enough to find.


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