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GeorgieBoy
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full pint widemouth jars for pf tek
#12910193 - 07/17/10 01:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I went to my local supermarket today and grabbed some ball 1 pint widemouth jars. now i know that 1/2 pint is preffered but they didnt have them and i dont want to have to order online.
should i make my first grow with full pint jars or should i just suck it up and buy 1/2 pint jars online?
and have you guys ever tried full pint jars before and how successful were you?
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Inoxia
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: GeorgieBoy]
#12910219 - 07/17/10 01:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just for the sake of experimenting im doing two pint jars alongside two 1/2 pint jars right now. BRF+Verm+Coffe.
So far they are performing well, they colonize at the same speed of 1/2 pint.
Only difference beetween the two is that i have made 7 inoc points in 1 pint jars lids instead of 4 and used about 1,5 cc of spores instead of 1.
Good luck!
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: GeorgieBoy]
#12910226 - 07/17/10 02:01 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You'll hear some people talk about various successes they've had with full pints, but from what I hear, they're generally not worth the hassle, stalled jars, slow colonization, contams, etc.
If there is an Ace Hardware nearby, you can get 1/2 pint wide mouth jars drop shipped to the store for free, just go to customer service or look it up on their website.
If there isn't an Ace nearby, I know that some have success with 1/2 pint regular mouth ball jars, but they do take longer to colonize and the cakes are a pain in the ass to keep upright on perlite if the terrarium is bumped or moved.
All in all, stick to the Tek as much as humanly possible, that way when you come back with questions, people can look at your pics and tell you straight off what little thing you messed up (and believe me, overlooking little tiny details can make a big freakin' difference in your results).
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GeorgieBoy
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Entheogenic]
#12910237 - 07/17/10 02:10 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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ive made my decision, im just going to order a 12 pack online.
you guys are right.
when i become more experienced and am ready for experimenting i will try full pint.
thanx for the help
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Inoxia
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Entheogenic]
#12910239 - 07/17/10 02:11 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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1 Pint vs 1/2 pint colnization advancement @4 days from inoc (multispores):
I say if you have your pint jars and dont mind waste a little verm try it.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Inoxia]
#12910279 - 07/17/10 02:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Full pints and non wide-mouth 1/2 pints will usually stall out.
Get some online, the 1/2 pint wide mouths are the perfect size for BRF/verm. If you use those full pints, the amount of time it takes to colonize one jar, you could have ordered several 1/2 pint jars, received them and been done with the grow/harvest before the full pints even finished colonizing (if they do finish).
Also, the 1/2 pint wide mouths actually perform better and often give more yield than a full pint. Oddly enough.
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ModularMind
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12910318 - 07/17/10 03:08 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nanoid said: non wide-mouth 1/2 pints will usually stall out.
I can't imagine that's accurate at all.
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Nanoid
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: ModularMind]
#12910357 - 07/17/10 03:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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ModularMind said:
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Nanoid said: non wide-mouth 1/2 pints will usually stall out.
I can't imagine that's accurate at all.
Why not? The main reason the pints stall is because of the jars shape and lack of GE. 1/2 pint regular mouths are essentially the same shape, just smaller.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Nanoid]
#12910365 - 07/17/10 03:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not sure of any definitive study of the difference between the two, but I tend to see a good deal of people here saying that they've only been able to find the regular 1/2 pt. jars. I don't really see many "my regular vs. wide mouths stalled" threads. Both have seemed to work fairly well in a number of past posts.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: ModularMind]
#12934626 - 07/22/10 09:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I only use pint jars and I've never had a grow operation not work. A few jars here and there don't colonize but it's a moisture issue not only the jars. 1/2 pint would be better, then just double stack them if you want bigger cakes. But you can use pint jars just fine. I have for years. They don't sell half-pints here wide mouth or regular.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Zeppelinfancb]
#12934630 - 07/22/10 09:37 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you talking about quart jars? I know those are bad and pint jars are half quarts. But yeah only have pint and quart here so I use pint until I do some grains.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Zeppelinfancb]
#12934644 - 07/22/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The cool thing about pint-sized PF cakes is that they actually produce.
I've tried them using psilocybe cubensis Quila (wild print, 09)
Gotten ten gram first flushes, and decent second flushes.
The only real problem with pint cakes is colonization times, which causes a lot of problems.
A simple fix to that problem, is to inoculate with liquid culture - even from MS.
With LC for inoculant, I'd imagine the pint jars would colonize faster then 1/2 pint multi-spore jars.
I've talked about doing this with a friend a few times.
But, I wouldn't recommend pint jars when your using simple spore syringes. The jars take forever to colonize and stall out sometimes, making them much more exposed to contaminants, and slow down your entire grow process.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: plurfekt]
#12934698 - 07/22/10 10:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you're using the basic pf/brf tek, use 1/2 pint wide mouth jars. This has been known for so long it's not even worth discussing further. There has been thousands of noobs using the wrong size jars with near 100% failure, so advancement isn't repeating the same failed experiment for the ten thousandth time. It's using the proper materials.
Using the wrong jars is the same as trying to perfect the square wheel. Don't waste your time. RR
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: RogerRabbit]
#12934736 - 07/22/10 10:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a noob however, I've done close to 100 regular mouth 1/2 pint jars and haven't experienced the 100% failure rate. I haven't had any jars completely stall out and I haven't had a contam since the first 1/2 dozen jars I tried. I've read that GE is a problem with the taller jars. I've just loosened up the sub a bit. Of course it's easier to use the tried and true method but there are some of us that don't have access to these things and have to make due with what we have. Necessity is the mother of all invention. If you're reading this and can't get what they tell you to get. You'll figure it out.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: 5thFriday]
#12934986 - 07/22/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have had near 100% success rate with 1/2 pint cakes. I tried pints a few times just to try them and had probably closer to 50% success. If it ain't broke... don't fix it.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: LeBongJames]
#12935812 - 07/22/10 02:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, I wasn't implying that pint jars are better for the standard tek, I was just saying that with liquid culture pint jars are a more realistic option, due to the colonization times being cut down considerably.
Half pints are indeed the safe standard.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: plurfekt]
#12935850 - 07/22/10 02:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mileage will vary. I think the best containers to use are these:
http://www.amazon.com/Pyrex-Leak-Rectangle-Baking-Plastic/dp/B0030T1U9I/ref=pd_sim_k_1
You can put holes in the lid or, ideally, noc them with grain spawn. The breathers are great - just use some poly or tyvec or filter patch on the breather holes. Narrow, so the colonize fully without stalling. 4 of these can stack in a American 910 cooker, equalling the capacity of your usual 12 jars with only 1/3 the headache.
The lids are #5 plastic and I've successfully PCd them dozens of times with minimal warp and no loss of seal.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: shroom-jitsu]
#12936597 - 07/22/10 05:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can use 1 pint jars or even the taller 1/2 pint jars but the 1/2 pint widemout jars are the best bet.The reason is that with the taller 1/2 pints and the 1 pint jars is that the BRF/Verm substrate tends to compact on itself making it harder for the mycelium to rip through it and probably hinders GE as well.
If I were you I would get some 1/2 pint wide mouth jars (check walmart,they should have them).There are things you can try for better success rate with the taller non wide mouth 1/2 pint jars and the 1 pint jars though,like buying whole organic brown rice and grinding it up in a coffee grinder but be sure to grind it only enough to keep it somewhat coarse,also use medium grade vermiculite...the more aeration in your substrate the better because it won't compact on itself so easily and will probably allow for better GE.Also if I were working with non wide mouth 1/2 pints or pint jars I would try inoculating with a LC for faster colonization.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#12936666 - 07/22/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mad_Hatter2004 said: I were working with non wide mouth 1/2 pints or pint jars I would try inoculating with a LC for faster colonization.
That's how I do it.
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Re: full pint widemouth jars for pf tek [Re: Doc_T]
#12936730 - 07/22/10 05:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you could separate those cakes into discs without damaging the myc too badly I think that would be a little safer to spawn that to bulk than crumbling a BRF cake. Neat jars, though.
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