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OfflineDogomush
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I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT??
    #1290245 - 02/08/03 06:37 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Why is it that governments can convict me of murder if i kill someone but then they have an army that they can go and kill people with somewhere else on the planet?

I guess it's because the government insists that we citizens search for other means to solve out problems. We're supposed to work things out between eachother non-violently. If that's what we citizens have to do then how come a government doesn't have to? Any pro-war people care to explain what seems like severe hipocracy?


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1290266 - 02/08/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

SEEMS like hypocrisy?!?!?


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1290285 - 02/08/03 06:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

If I knew someone making sarin gas in his basement who applauded the 9/11 attacks, I'd shoot him. And I doubt I'd go to jail either.

The hypocritical part is that I probably would get busted if I stole his wallet afterward.


Edited by Anonymous (02/08/03 06:54 AM)


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1290325 - 02/08/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

If I knew someone making sarin gas in his basement who applauded the 9/11 attacks, I'd shoot him. And I doubt I'd go to jail either.



3 years ago, I'd say you're an idiot for thinking that, but since the current administration has stripped away civil liberties and due process, you may actually be right about that.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1290327 - 02/08/03 07:21 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

If I knew someone making sarin gas in his basement who applauded the 9/11 attacks, I'd shoot him. And I doubt I'd go to jail either.

Yeah that's because what you're describing is war. My question is why is it that you don't have to resolve things peacefully with this character but you do have to resolve things with the guy who cuts you off in traffic. They are both threats to your life.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1290438 - 02/08/03 08:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Not only that, if you are drafted and refuse to kill people, you can go to jail!

Remember, it's not wrong if the government says it isn't.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Revelation]
    #1290554 - 02/08/03 09:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I just know, when this is all over, I'm going to miss the army men with sub machine guns that I get to see at Grand Central.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1292512 - 02/09/03 06:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"If I knew someone making sarin gas in his basement who applauded the 9/11 attacks, I'd shoot him."

Do you believe in the right to a fair trial?


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Phluck]
    #1292561 - 02/09/03 06:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Forgot this part: if the guy weren't a citizen. I believe in a fair trial as upheld by our Constitution, which includes only citizens of the United States. And that right I would defend to the death.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1292906 - 02/09/03 09:19 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

But you, as a citizen of the United States, would be on trial for first degree murder. Vigilantism is still no excuse for murder.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1292990 - 02/09/03 09:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

OK OK OK my example didn't work :P


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1293159 - 02/09/03 11:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

it's because we as indiviuals are expected to be reasonable and find non-violent solutions to our problems. soveriegn nations are not held to the same ideal.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1293177 - 02/09/03 11:07 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Your example would work fine if there was no time to call the police, and they were about to kill some people if you didn't stop them by whatever means necissary.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1293320 - 02/09/03 12:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I remember the day I saw the two towers falling apart.
That day I also had an orgasm.
I was also, of course, sad because people died.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: MushMushi]
    #1293836 - 02/09/03 04:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I remember the day I saw the two towers falling apart.
That day I also had an orgasm.



Are you trying to be an ass, or does it just come naturally?


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Evolving]
    #1293986 - 02/09/03 05:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

That was just some bad karma...
After all, I wasn't really surprised by the "attack".
Why should only other people get punished by life?

There is a nice expression, in french of course.
On r?colte ce qu`on a sem?.
It means, more or less, that they(usa) got what they deserved.


And I was exagerating the orgasm part.
I didn't have one, but I felt quite well that day.
I knew there was justice after all.
You see, I try to apply the same logic that some (if not many) Americans express towards Iraqis, Arabs, Koreans, Africans, etc.
They don't care if they die by millions.
So why should I care for Americans?
After all, isn't that what this society is teaching us?
Egoism ?
Or that simply goes in one direction?


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: Evolving]
    #1293994 - 02/09/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:


Are you trying to be an ass, or does it just come naturally? 



Since you are so good at point out ad hominem attacks....Here is one for you :wink:
As you put it in another post, it's "most distressing"  :crazy: 


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: MushMushi]
    #1293998 - 02/09/03 05:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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It means, more or less, that they(usa) got what they deserved.



If the planes had crashed into the White House or Capitol and killed those parasites in Washington, it would've been one thing, but we're talking about innocent people who had nothing to do with American foreign policy.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1294005 - 02/09/03 05:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Because american's bombs/sanctions only kill evil people?
I felt sorry for the people that died there.


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Re: I can't commit murder but i can go to war? WHAT?? [Re: MushMushi]
    #1294009 - 02/09/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The media tells me that when innocent people are killed by american bombs, these are simply military errors.
Then, I should also say that 9/11 was simply a military error.

Edit:

I'm against the mass-media in general.
Then you might ask: Why does this guy use it then??
Because with people that believe in that bullshit, that's how I argue with them. Using their own bible.


Edited by MushMushi (02/09/03 05:42 PM)


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