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OfflineGaneshNoIgnorance
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black shroom powder
    #12890368 - 07/12/10 11:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

ok, so i put my mushies in the grinder, and discovered that they werent totally dry, so i took out the slightly damp powder and let it finish drying, usually, my powder is light-to dark brown, this stuff is black, why? and will it affect anything? it smells great.

sorry if this is the wrong forum.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #12890380 - 07/12/10 11:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Bruising maybe?


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #12890394 - 07/12/10 11:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

that wont effect potency will it, i kinda figured it was just heavy brusing, from being chopped up too early


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You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.
I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free."

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Re: black shroom powder [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #12890430 - 07/12/10 11:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

that shit is losing potency as we speak! :shocked:

quick...Take it all..NOW!!!


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: Dragonaut]
    #12890442 - 07/12/10 11:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Dragonaut said:
that shit is losing potency as we speak! :shocked:

quick...Take it all..NOW!!!




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Re: black shroom powder [Re: stonesun]
    #12890454 - 07/12/10 11:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

at this point, it's either that...or throw it in the freezer.:rolleyes::thumbdown:

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Re: black shroom powder [Re: Dragonaut]
    #12890558 - 07/13/10 12:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Its not losing potency. Just dry it out and you can store it, but make sure its fully dried.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12890590 - 07/13/10 12:11 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

bet: light shroom powder > black shroom powder


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: Dragonaut]
    #12890636 - 07/13/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You think non blue mushrooms are better then ones that have bruised so blue they are black? I'd take that bet in an instant. They'd be equal. Its much tougher for mushrooms to lose potency then alot of myths make people think.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: black shroom powder [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12891364 - 07/13/10 06:00 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
You think non blue mushrooms are better then ones that have bruised so blue they are black? I'd take that bet in an instant.




Are you for realz?

He ground up wet mushrooms exposing all of the actives to the naturally occurring phosphatase enzymes and also to oxygen.  If I tried I couldn't come up with a batter way to destroy the activity, short of chemical means.

Quick lesson in actives chemistry...  Naturally occurring phosphatase enzymes dephosphorylate the relatively stable psilocybin to the fairly unstable psilocin when the cellular structure is damaged.  The psilocin is then rapidly oxidized when exposed to air.  It oxidizes first to blue, then to black.  Any blue or black you see is your precious actives turned into useless and inactive oxidation products.

Never powder anything until it is fully dry.  Once the water is removed phosphatase enzymes are inactive.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: fastfred]
    #12891509 - 07/13/10 07:29 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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fastfred said:
Quote:

scatmanrav said:
You think non blue mushrooms are better then ones that have bruised so blue they are black? I'd take that bet in an instant.




Are you for realz?

He ground up wet mushrooms exposing all of the actives to the naturally occurring phosphatase enzymes and also to oxygen.  If I tried I couldn't come up with a batter way to destroy the activity, short of chemical means.

Quick lesson in actives chemistry...  Naturally occurring phosphatase enzymes dephosphorylate the relatively stable psilocybin to the fairly unstable psilocin when the cellular structure is damaged.  The psilocin is then rapidly oxidized when exposed to air.  It oxidizes first to blue, then to black.  Any blue or black you see is your precious actives turned into useless and inactive oxidation products.

Never powder anything until it is fully dry.  Once the water is removed phosphatase enzymes are inactive.


-FF



I'm with this guy, they don't turn blue because they are smurfs, it's chemical degradation

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Re: black shroom powder [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12891548 - 07/13/10 07:48 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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paducahovoids said:
they don't turn blue because they are smurfs



Now just wait a damn minute!
What are you trying to say?


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #12891772 - 07/13/10 09:06 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

well that fucking sucks, it was my last 8g


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You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.
I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free."

HAIL ERIS!
ALL HAIL DISCORDIA!

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Re: black shroom powder [Re: fastfred]
    #12892037 - 07/13/10 10:33 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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The psilocin is then rapidly oxidized when exposed to air.  It oxidizes first to blue, then to black.  Any blue or black you see is your precious actives turned into useless and inactive oxidation products.






where did you get this information?
i would like to read up on this.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: k00laid]
    #12892862 - 07/13/10 01:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

> where did you get this information?

It's scattered about and some is my own research.



Just addressing what you quoted... It's not hard to observe psilocin oxidizing blue to black.

Take some tissue (dried or fresh) mash it up in a test tube in some water.  Then shove a cotton ball down to the bottom, which is just an easy way to filter it.  Pour off the filtered water above the cotton ball into another test tube and observe the solution.  It will quickly turn blue, then slowly turn black and the oxidized product will precipitate from the solution after a bit longer.

I took some spectrometer scans at various points during the oxidation a long time ago.  Unfortunately they were not very stable, probably due to the precipitation.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: fastfred]
    #12892931 - 07/13/10 01:38 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

so then you are sure this blue stuff is psilocin?
(just clarifying that that's what you found in the spectrometer)


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #12893055 - 07/13/10 02:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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GaneshNoIgnorance said:
well that fucking sucks, it was my last 8g




They will still be good, but who knows for how long.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: k00laid]
    #12893057 - 07/13/10 02:03 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

> so then you are sure this blue stuff is psilocin?

I'd bet money on it, but it would take a lot more purification and instrumentation than I have to prove it for sure.

Actually it probably wouldn't be all that difficult, but I haven't done any real wetwork on the subject for quite awhile.

The spec was a bust as far as useful data.  Purity was not good enough, absorption was broad.  I was really only hoping for the spec to confirm the visual change you can easily see.


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Re: black shroom powder [Re: fastfred]
    #12893141 - 07/13/10 02:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people spend so much time reading all this information and skip out on the drying process!? That's the most important step! No one is going to eat a pound of fresh mushrooms in one sitting.

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Re: black shroom powder [Re: Breakfast Crew]
    #12893171 - 07/13/10 02:31 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like we have another bet!

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