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Offlinezeronio
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1290249 - 02/08/03 04:39 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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The majority wants war.




I just read about Gallup poll in Hungary (which is said to support war). 85% of Hungarians oppose war in Iraq.

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OfflineDogomush
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1290260 - 02/08/03 04:45 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that's true. Hitler rallied his people behind him and then built a huge army in defiance of the rest of the world and then trampled everybody for a few years.

I guess Saddam is doing the same right now. The people of Iraq have united behind their beloved leader, and now he's defying the modern version of the treaty of versailles (sanctions) by making a huge army (I should point out that Kuwait, with a population a tenth of Iraq has larger military expenditures than Iraq), and then he'll run everyone down. You should read that speech I posted in the other thread that you stopped posting in after I proved your points wrong. It talks about Iraqis and Americans are the only people in the world who fear Saddam. Sure everybody hates him but they all know that he's militarily impotent due to his starving population and various sanction-wrought damage.

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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1290279 - 02/08/03 04:50 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

The U.S. is closer to the Weimar Republic than most people would care to admit... if we're going to compare countries to pre-WWII Germany.


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OfflineDogomush
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: zeronio]
    #1290281 - 02/08/03 04:51 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I just read about Gallup poll in Hungary (which is said to support war). 85% of Hungarians oppose war in Iraq.

In my thread "iraq really a threat? Maybe not." There are all kinds of polls put forth in a speech by noam chomsky (which I link to) that shows Canada, poland, denmark, france, germany, great britain, czechoslovakia, spain, portugal, Italy, and more are opposed to war. Noam claims that opposition to this war has hit an historical precedent.

He has a good point about how when Vietnam started there were no visible protests, but nowadays we protest all over the place before a war starts, let alone after it's been going on forever and we're watching thousands upon thousands die. When the original Bush came into power the CIA gave him a little talk explaining the situation in the world (as they do every new president) and in it they explained to him how nowadays, when the US government invades a country they have to do it cleanly and quickly or public opinion will rapidly shift against it. Pretty telling little bit there.

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OfflineEchoVortex
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1290783 - 02/08/03 09:24 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

BTW, Echo: I enlisted last November and ship off to boot camp in June.

Too bad all the juicy blood-letting will be over by then. No combat medals for you!

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Offlinehongomon
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1290836 - 02/08/03 09:55 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, it's actually too bad they recognize this.  If they're going to push us into war, we can only hope it backfires on them.  I know that sounds sadistic, but I sometimes fear it will take quite a few body bags coming home to truly kick our apathetic asses in gear.

I saw a documentary about the "kill boxes" in the first war against Iraq.  Each squadron of fighters/bombers had their own block of a certain amount of miles square, and they just bombed the fuck out of them day after day.  It was a long time before any troops actually went into "combat."  The film mentioned that the war was a good chance to get rid of all the old bombs, dating back to the Vietnam war.

I figure that's what we'll do again.  A damn good thing those aren't  really  humans over there... :frown:   

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Anonymous

Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Dogomush]
    #1290870 - 02/08/03 10:14 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I'm merely pointing out that there are many similarities between Iraq and Nazi Germany, enough to make a comparison.

Also, I don't recall you proving me wrong in any other thread... could you provide a link so I can reply?

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Offlinehongomon
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1290895 - 02/08/03 10:33 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Stonedfish, I hope you get a chance to listen to the Vidal interview DeeNae posted. He goes into the Hitler-Hussein comparison. And what are your thoughts on Evolving's suggestion that a better comparison to Nazi Germany could be right here at home?

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OfflinePhluck
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1292530 - 02/09/03 04:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

"I'm merely pointing out that there are many similarities between Iraq and Nazi Germany, enough to make a comparison."

Yeah, and there's enough similarities to make a comparison between the US and Nazi germany, and I'm pretty sure I've seen you berate people for making that comparison. Why? It's a childish comparison to make, no matter which side you're supporting.

The reason Germany isn't involving itself is that it already learned about attacking other countries without provocation.


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Anonymous

Re: WHO wants war? [Re: hongomon]
    #1292557 - 02/09/03 04:51 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

America doesn't hold mass executions of its own people. We're not trying to take over the world, despite what you may think. Even with the PATRIOT Act, American censorship and invasion of privacy still falls far short of that in Nazi Germany and Iraq.

Some people just want to compare us to Germany because we're so powerful, or because they don't like how Bush got into office.

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OfflineCrobih
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1292673 - 02/09/03 05:50 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

You think that because you do not think. two steps in advance. because, if you could think two steps in advance, you would realise that US governement actually murdered those people from the wtc.

The time has come when even most stupid and pussylike idiot can eliminate 1 000 000 with no problem,. America has no power to fight that idea. So the time has come to stop dominate the world. Cause you will suck your ass. That was the message from the wtc. And I know that pretty soon you will realise it too. I mean, you as a person who supports war.

If you wanna stay clean, you gotta realise that you can not shit arounde with no concequences. Cause if you give the legimacy for this action, you are the one who is responsible for the retaliation. I do not want to be responsible for that.

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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Crobih]
    #1292829 - 02/09/03 06:52 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

America doen't exactly take over the world . But we do take over countries, declare them independent, set up our own style government(In most cases), and control everything That can help us in that area.

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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Dr. Slavic]
    #1292882 - 02/09/03 07:12 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

America wants to take over the world while making it look like we're merely "liberating" people in other countries from their "tyrannical" governments by setting up our own "democratic" puppet governments.


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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Crobih]
    #1292937 - 02/09/03 07:31 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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you would realise that US governement actually murdered those people from the wtc.



Now that's just stupid. Really stupid.


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Anonymous

Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Crobih]
    #1292985 - 02/09/03 07:51 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Wow dude. Are you in a contest with Alex to post the stupidest replies?

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InvisibleMushMushi
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1293254 - 02/09/03 09:38 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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America doesn't hold mass executions of its own people. We're not trying to take over the world, despite what you may think.





You are RIGHT. US doesn't hold mass executions of its own people, but it did that in the past, in other countries (not its own people).
And yes, USA has a "control" over many countries.
When it's not violent, then it's economical.

Boy, you are really annoying.


Edited by MushMushi (02/09/03 09:38 AM)

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Anonymous

Re: WHO wants war? [Re: MushMushi]
    #1293266 - 02/09/03 09:41 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Give me some examples of us holding mass executions.

And while you're at it, show me some proof that we control other countries. Even if we have complete economic control over another country, it's because that country chooses to manufacture goods we and we alone need, not because we invaded them, enslaved them, and make them produce American flag pens.

If you want me to cease being "annoying," you're going to have to come up with more concrete arguments.

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InvisibleMushMushi
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1293291 - 02/09/03 09:53 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Ever heard of Pinochet?
Ever heard of Latin America? and banana republics?
Have you forgotten how many regimes did USA back up in these countries?
Ever heard of Death Squadrons?

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And while you're at it, show me some proof that we control other countries. Even if we have complete economic control over another country, it's because that country chooses to manufacture goods we and we alone need, not because we invaded them, enslaved them, and make them produce American flag pens.





You see, today, with the help of the IMF and the World Bank, it's quite easy to "dictate" where money should be invested in poor countries.
For example, in some african countries, money that should have been gone in education, went into roads, roads near future mines. Guess who'll make profits?
US, and other rich european countries following the example of usa.
It seems that you actually never heard of NEO-colonialism.

Do you think the guy working for Dole will make money or have a DECENT living?
Enslaving people to money is much more easier than to turn them into real slaves.

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Anonymous

Re: WHO wants war? [Re: MushMushi]
    #1293379 - 02/09/03 10:23 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm. Listing places and catch phrases are we? And yet, something's missing... could it be the numbers of people whom we supposidly executed?

And as for economic controls, you seem to think that controlling a country is the same thing as not investing in its well-being. Let me get this straight. You expect the United States to pour its money into third world countries even if we have nothing to gain?

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Offlinehongomon
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Re: WHO wants war? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1293386 - 02/09/03 10:25 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with Phluck--the Hitler debate has gone on long enough. But the very fact that it was brought up in the first place where Iraq is concerned is just an example of propaganda at work.

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