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ramblings on food and weight loss.
    #12873877 - 07/09/10 04:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm kind of a slightly below average looking person.  i can't change my facial features.  What i can change is my body.  In my self, i've always associated thinness with looking good.  the thinner i am the happier i feel about my appearance.

that being said i'm always hungry and i eat like 4-5 meals a day.

right now i'm the thinnest i've EVER been, since i was a little kid.  maybe like 130-140 (haven't weighed myself recently).

here is how i did it:

(this is all in my experience.  backup up by science and statistics in many places, but i dunno i'm no nutritionist or expert on weight loss).

a) exercise means jack shit unless you're training for the olypmics.  look up average calories burned from different exercises.  the best you're gonna do is about 500 an hour, and lets face it probably more like 3-400.  so if you hardcore exercise for 2 hours a day you get to eat... 2 extra packages of raman noodles or 4 bananas.

exercise is important to health but its not gonna make you lose weight.

b) generally 3500 calories equal one pound.  this is how you're going to lose weight. assuming you're at weight homeostasis, you're going to shave away at that 3500.

ramble: 

(i'm assuming you're eating foods that are going to inhibit your weight loss because of the momentary comfort they bring)

I really think its essential to realize that eating is largely subconscious.  Its like breathing, or trying to look up the skirt of that girl you hope is 18 even though it makes you feel creepy as fuck and it was only for a quarter of a second.  You're not going to be able to consciously control it every moment.

subconscious things are genetic and learned.  Gene's do indeed turn on and off in response to different stimulus.  if you have really bad genetics there is still hope. 

as far as the learned stuff goes: everyone with better genetics than you is fucking you up subconsciously.  most every grocery store is fucking with you on a subconscious level.
Every where you go teams of scientists worked tirelessly to figure out how to prey on your subconscious to make food as appealing as possible.

If you want to lose weight, its never okay to eat that ice cream, that candy bar, that piece of pizza, ect.

You are having a conflict between conscious goal and subconscious desire. 

the reason its a battle is because you have all these other influences affecting you subconsciously. 
It is a fucking battle of sorts, to rid yourself of negative external influence is a war, there is a conflict of interest.

(this gets very rambling)

like G.I. joe says, knowing is really half the battle.  as the Buddhists say, simply watching your thought is the biggest step in freeing yourself from them.

For myself what worked, is reminding myself daily that all the fucking bright packaging and oil added to every restaurant food was really the work of predators trying to get my money by controlling me.

One of the main things is people eat whats accessible.  identify what foods are slowing your weight loss and limit your access to them.  don't go to the grocery store when you're hungry.  When you go shopping do so with the knowledge that its a battle, you have to stay sharp and keep your mind about you.

If you only buy foods that are going to help your weight loss, you're going to lose weight.

Look at MOTH.  She is the model of conscious control in eating here on the shroomery.

count calories.  things you wouldn't expect are full of them.  Example:  pasta is the devil.  my box of pasta says it has 1100 calories per box, and that doesn't include any butter or cheese i may add to it.  i love pasta, when i was 180 it was because i was eating it every day.  Now i say FUCK PASTA.  Go through your kitchen and read all the labels, don't look at the serving size look at the calories for the whole package.

every food is exactly the same satiating.  if you don't believe me fast for 3 days.  whatever you eat to break your fast will be insanely delicious.  lately i've been substituting 1-2 meals a day with salads, and i don't mean salads covered in shit, no cheese or dressing, ect.

i don't really like salad.  the first couple times i ate them, my subconscious was not pleased.  It wasn't because the food wasn't good, it was because my subsconscious didn't identify it as being pleasurable.  All it took was a week of waiting till i was very hungry, and eating a salad instead of something more calorie laden, and now i look forward to eating salads.  It only took a week for my subconscious to associate salad with satisfaction.  I solidified this by going to the grocery store, and only buying salad stuff.  I bought 3 heads of lettuce.  WTF?  i usually buy one and half of it rots.

Now when i'm hungry, what is accessible is a shit ton of salad, so thats what i'm going to eat.

I'll admit it: i'm addicted to sugar.  I was doing okay weight wise last year too, but i was eating a shit ton of candy bars and hot chocolate and things full of calories, because they were also full of sugar.
the thing about being addicted to sugars or fats or pasta is that there is the whole tolerance thing.  I slowly weened myself down from those things by staying conscious of my purchases. 

I've been drinking alot of Gatorade lately.  its my sugar craving satisfier.  Look at the bottle.  a 64 ounce bottle only has 400 calories. 1 candy bar or small cup of hot chocolate has like 200.  i can drink one bottle of Gatorade a day and for only 400 calories can satiate my sugar cravings.
Look at your negative food addictions and go label hunting finding low calorie ways to control them.

i hope my rambling helps someone.


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    #12874226 - 07/09/10 06:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: dr_gonz]
    #12874907 - 07/09/10 08:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i actually read the whole thing. i'm not too sure why, though.


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #12875141 - 07/09/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

lol so i logged out to see the comments.  you sir, are incorrect.  a very quick google search would have shown you that.  i  was pretty correct to have you on ignore.

edit: surely what works for me has been incorrect.  at 5'6" i only lost 40-50 lbs in 2 years.

the heaviest i've ever been was when i was exercising 6 hours a day.


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #12875479 - 07/09/10 11:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

for anyone reading this thread and is curious about this debate, i encourage you to google away.  (many possible searchs.  try "exercise and weight loss")

he is certainly correct you can burn 1000 calories an hour if you are a marathon level jogger or biker.

if you want to lose weight quickly, by all means please take up extreme physical exercise.


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #12875687 - 07/09/10 11:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

truekimbo2 said:
lol so i logged out to see the comments.  you sir, are incorrect.  a very quick google search would have shown you that.  i  was pretty correct to have you on ignore.






No...

You're the one who is wrong

Diet AND exercise = k3y to success

I stopped reading your post after you said exercise will not make you lose weight :lol:

You have to think that

A. Exercising directly results in using calories
B. Body uses calories to recover from said workout
C. Metabolism is boosted due to workout

In conjunction with a good diet you are burning massive amounts of calories daily.


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: feifen]
    #12875760 - 07/10/10 12:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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for anyone reading this thread and is curious about this debate, i encourage you to google away.  (many possible searchs.  try "exercise and weight loss")




there's about 50 years of studies showing that exercise doesn't help weight loss much.

its certainly makes you healthier, which i mentioned in my OP, but i mean... statistics agrees with my experience on this one.

I didn't make this post on how people can be healthier.

edit: lol in fact i'm sorry, i'll concede, obviously you guys know better than me and google and simple maths.

though i may be bitter at the prospect of argument, i did indeed make this post with the intention of helping people.  i usually stay out of this forum, and i did lose 40+ pound in 2 years without any exercise.  i sit on my computer all day long and smoke cigs.  I don't like exercise.


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: truekimbo2]
    #12876321 - 07/10/10 03:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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truekimbo2 said:
a) exercise means jack shit unless you're training for the olypmics.  look up average calories burned from different exercises.  the best you're gonna do is about 500 an hour, and lets face it probably more like 3-400.  so if you hardcore exercise for 2 hours a day you get to eat... 2 extra packages of raman noodles or 4 bananas.




Not sure where you get your probabilistic range because riding an exercise bike is probably one of the easiest exercises one can do and in an hour it's easy to burn between 600 and 800 calories. Exercise bike definitely isn't hardcore exercise. :grin:
And your calculations as to how much food exercising that much allows isn't too accurate, when one considers that regular exercise boosts metabolism, which burns additional calories, beyond what you burnt off while doing the exercise. A body that's properly used processes everything more efficiently. :shrug:


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #12876334 - 07/10/10 03:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

gah are you trying to get us fattys to lose weight by reading? i swear i just burnt 500+ calories :headbanger:  :FattyNoneck:


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    #12877696 - 07/10/10 01:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

umm.. Next.


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    #12879198 - 07/10/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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    #12880273 - 07/10/10 10:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

not to mention if you just lose weight by having a caloric deficit, but don't exercise, you're going to look like a skronny lil' bitch :tongue:


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    #12881877 - 07/11/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm kind of a slightly below average looking person.  i can't change my facial features. 





Huh???  I've seen you IRL, and you're far from ugly.  What is this "average" you speak of?


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Re: ramblings on food and weight loss. [Re: Society]
    #28121740 - 01/02/23 07:06 PM (1 year, 25 days ago)

When you build muscle you burn more fat. Your metabolism increases.

Anytime I needed to lose weight I always increased my exercise.

But anyone in the fitness world will tell you. It is 80% diet and 20% exercise.

I have had periods in my life where I work out 3 times a day every damn day. To right now it is a few times a week. I like to exercise. The most shocking results I ever had was from getting rid of sugar. No added sugar. I was a 46 years old women who had three kids and ABS!!!!! It was diet. But, I looked good because I have muscle. I have definition.

In my opinion diet is so SO important. The most important. You can't out run your calories.

BUT exercise is what makes you look good naked. :smile: Truth

In my opinion and everyone has their own preferences.. skinny doesn't look good. Healthy does. Even if that means your overweight.

There are worst things in life than being fat.

Dont use a scale. The most I weigh is when I am my fittest. Get rid of the scale..


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