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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12857843 - 07/06/10 05:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i once had a security gaurd at a amtrak try to search my bags illegally. when i asked why he told me it was because i looked like "a skater" (lol wut)
long story short i had to run because i was carying 3lbs of fungus on me.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12857853 - 07/06/10 05:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think the government oppresses other countries but not our own. like i said, i know a single guy who has close to 300 guns, known him my whole life and he has never been hassled for having so many gun
let him form a group, train for survival in any extreme circumstance and everything changes
while you may not feel oppressed can you walk down the street smoking a joint, say hi tot he cops and continue going about your business?
if you live in california you can
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Prisoner#1 said:thre's been times I couldnt walk down the street without being stopped for being 'suspicious', just because you close your eyes to oppression doesnt mean it doesnt exist
thats not oppression. it would piss me off and i understand your frustration but thats just a cop being a dick, not the government.
also, the way to create a more free society will never ever be by through means of force and weapons. it only creates a backlash and conflict which never solves shit.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
#12857873 - 07/06/10 05:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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my thoughts on guns for self-defense spoken by bill hicks
you only need to defend yourself if you are afraid. my experiences with stuff like ayahuasca has shown me that there is absolutely no reason, ever, to be afraid.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
#12857884 - 07/06/10 05:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'm mostly just afraid for my children. i have learned to adapt, will they? and what if they don't?
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Frizzle]
#12857894 - 07/06/10 05:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Frizzle said: the saddest thing of ruby ridge is the dog and the kid. the father acted out of anger and revenge and that was justified but the consequences were too.
also if someone came up to you and was like "i'll give you a few k to saw off these shotguns" you would take it in a heartbeat.
that's the thing, the guns were apparently not illegal according to the jury just as none of the guns that koresh had were illegal but what makes this sad is that with weaver had the sheriff gone up, told him there was a problem that he needed to come down to town to get it straightened out it could have all been avoided, the wrong date was put on his summons so the US marshals were called in to serve a warrant, they wanted randy to turn informant against the aryan nation, a group he had no affiliation with, he refused and their sting to bust him and force him to be an informant was under way
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i still don't know what any of this has to do with guy fawkes. mods be all up in my shit derailing my topics!
koresh was the comparison for guy fawkes, maybe I should read up on the finer points of fawkes
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12857898 - 07/06/10 05:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think the government oppresses other countries but not our own. like i said, i know a single guy who has close to 300 guns, known him my whole life and he has never been hassled for having so many gun
let him form a group, train for survival in any extreme circumstance and everything changes
while you may not feel oppressed can you walk down the street smoking a joint, say hi tot he cops and continue going about your business? thre's been times I couldnt walk down the street without being stopped for being 'suspicious', just because you close your eyes to oppression doesnt mean it doesnt exist
Dude I'm an ex government employee with family in law enforcement and politics and two weeks ago you told me you get along great with small town police and it "must just be me" because I started knocking local corrupt law enforcement in my community after a an inside look working for the city.
I thought living in a good ol American small town was nothing but Apple Pie and AKs for a guy like you...
Or maybe you just argue for the sake of arguing on here... and debase peoples experiences when it suits your mood.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Frizzle]
#12857909 - 07/06/10 05:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The World is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they've begun to question, 'Is this real, or is this just a ride?', and other people have remembered, and they've come back to us and they say 'Hey, don't worry. Don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.' and we KILL THOSE PEOPLE.
-bill hicks
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
#12857919 - 07/06/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: while you may not feel oppressed can you walk down the street smoking a joint, say hi tot he cops and continue going about your business?
if you live in california you can
well whoopty fucking do
sorry man... just had to do it but that's just cali, not america
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thats not oppression. it would piss me off and i understand your frustration but thats just a cop being a dick, not the government.
are cops not representatives of the government? if that's a no then I suppose the FBI/ATF/Military all act independently of government...
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also, the way to create a more free society will never ever be by through means of force and weapons. it only creates a backlash and conflict which never solves shit.
american revolution?
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12857922 - 07/06/10 05:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: koresh was the comparison for guy fawkes, maybe I should read up on the finer points of fawkes
probably not, i was just grasping for comparisons. mcveigh was a better one.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Tesla]
#12857943 - 07/06/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tesla said: Dude I'm an ex government employee with family in law enforcement and politics and two weeks ago you told me you get along great with small town police and it "must just be me" because I started knocking local corrupt law enforcement in my community after a an inside look working for the city.
I thought living in a good ol American small town was nothing but Apple Pie and AKs for a guy like you...
Or maybe you just argue for the sake of arguing on here... and debase peoples experiences when it suits your mood.
where have I mentioned small town law enforcement in this thread
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Frizzle]
#12857950 - 07/06/10 05:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: koresh was the comparison for guy fawkes, maybe I should read up on the finer points of fawkes
probably not, i was just grasping for comparisons. mcveigh was a better one.
he was a martyr and a hero!
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Frizzle]
#12857964 - 07/06/10 05:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The World is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they've begun to question, 'Is this real, or is this just a ride?', and other people have remembered, and they've come back to us and they say 'Hey, don't worry. Don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.' and we KILL THOSE PEOPLE.
-bill hicks
you took that statement out of context. immediately following that he says "but its okay, because its just a ride"
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12857985 - 07/06/10 06:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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american revolution?
im thinking in too abstract of terms for this conversation so negate that point. my buddhist beliefs get in the way of political thought.
at the end of the day the difference between your perspective and mine is that you are afraid of the government and i am not.
the only examples of the government cracking down on people seemed completely understandable to me. Not condoning it. but definitely understandable. it wasn't random and a form of bullying as you seem to suggest.
as for the smoking a joint thing. how do you think we should solve that problem?
with guns? thats laughable and totally insane. besides, the west coast, not just CA suggests that we are moving towards the legalization of marijuana anyway. and just because i cant take drugs in front of cops doesnt mean i cant take drugs
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Edited by JackofSpades (07/06/10 06:02 PM)
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
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The World is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they've begun to question, 'Is this real, or is this just a ride?', and other people have remembered, and they've come back to us and they say 'Hey, don't worry. Don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.' and we KILL THOSE PEOPLE.
-bill hicks
you took that statement out of context. immediately following that he says "but its okay, because its just a ride"
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Shut him up! We have alot invested in this ride! SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real."
It's just a ride.
But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that. You ever noticed that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because ... It's just a ride.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12858002 - 07/06/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think the government oppresses other countries but not our own. like i said, i know a single guy who has close to 300 guns, known him my whole life and he has never been hassled for having so many gun
let him form a group, train for survival in any extreme circumstance and everything changes
while you may not feel oppressed can you walk down the street smoking a joint, say hi tot he cops and continue going about your business? thre's been times I couldnt walk down the street without being stopped for being 'suspicious', just because you close your eyes to oppression doesnt mean it doesnt exist ======2 weeks ago----
I'm in a small town, population under 2000, the cops here are pretty nice, we did have one gung ho, peckerhead of a cop, he didnt last long before he was sent packing by the citizens
it's been my experience that most cops respond in kind to the way they're treated, what's that tell you about yourself and your town ---
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What's this tell you about you and your credibility as a debater Prisoner?
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Frizzle]
#12858011 - 07/06/10 06:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The World is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they've begun to question, 'Is this real, or is this just a ride?', and other people have remembered, and they've come back to us and they say 'Hey, don't worry. Don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.' and we KILL THOSE PEOPLE.
-bill hicks
you took that statement out of context. immediately following that he says "but its okay, because its just a ride"
no i think he says:
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Shut him up! We have alot invested in this ride! SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real."
It's just a ride.
But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that. You ever noticed that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because ... It's just a ride.
yah bu it doesnt matter cause its just a ride
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
#12858022 - 07/06/10 06:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: my buddhist beliefs get in the way of political thought.
oh so your idea of a political revolution is to smoke a joint in front of a cop, and then when he arrests you, walk out of the jail because it's not real and neither was the joint that you smoked?
j/k i don't even know what we're talking about anymore.
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
#12858038 - 07/06/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: yah bu it doesnt matter cause its just a ride
tell that to your kid when he gets shot in the face after he attempts to defend his dog against gunmen who are shooting at him creeping through the woods on the edge of his property.
man this thread was totally about what a douche guy fawkes is, i'm nver making this comparison again
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: JackofSpades]
#12858076 - 07/06/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: as for the smoking a joint thing. how do you think we should solve that problem?
with guns? thats laughable and totally insane.
it's a little over the top on first look but really when you look back at how much is being stripped from you in the lines of freedoms, peek at the congress that opts not to listen to it's constituents, the presidential administrations that simply dont give a fuck about the little guy and finds new ways to circumvent both the rights of citizens and logical thinking then add the judicial system that frequently forgets both the letter of the law and the spirit of the law in order to dole out Justice®... armed conflict seems to be the faster route
but I advocate making an impact in politics myself
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besides, the west coast, not just CA suggests that we are moving towards the legalization of marijuana anyway. and just because i cant take drugs in front of cops doesnt mean i cant take drugs
the simple facts, it's a federal crime to cultivate, distribute, possess or consume marijuana and just because the states make it legal doesnt mean the federal government will, whatcha think it'll take for the feds to get on the bandwagon and allow states to have the right to decide what's more is doesnt the declaration of independence guarantee us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, wouldnt me being happy include deciding what I choose to consume without government intervention, prohibition or additional taxation as long as I dont infringe upon the rights of others
just because you can take drugs doesnt mean you're free to do so, you're labeled as a criminal because you choose to break those laws
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Re: Let's get real about Guy Fawkes [Re: Frizzle]
#12858112 - 07/06/10 06:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said: yah bu it doesnt matter cause its just a ride
tell that to your kid when he gets shot in the face after he attempts to defend his dog against gunmen who are shooting at him creeping through the woods on the edge of his property.
it's interesting, Lon Horiuchi was the HRT shooter responsible for the death of vicki weaver, he was also the shooter that was claimed to be shooting people trying to exit the burning building in Waco, he was charged with manslaughter in the weaver shooting but it was moved to federal court so that the government could dismiss the case claiming it was 'in performance of his duty', a law that they passed for him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi
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