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Fungus gnat control
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I think fungus gnats are one of the hardest contams to get rid of. Who has some unique ideas for fighting them? I know that prevention is the best path, but what are the most effective ways to get rid of them? Lets put together our heads and build up some info for the faq. I couldn't seem to find any info in it on fruit flies when somebody asked me about them recently.

And my first suggestion:
http://www.gardensalive.com/item_display.asp?ProductNumber=1962&PROG_NBR=9
Anybody know if this stuff is useful, or safe to be used on a casing. I think it's a bacteria, which may be good or bad in a casing depending on the species and strain. Anybody know?

Also, the only other way I've been able to fight them is the destined to lose battle with sticky traps or worse, toss the casing.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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at grow stores there is a product that is sort of like fly papper. Its yellow
with glue on both sides you hang it around the problem area. Takes a while to get all the successive generations. Or you can maybe use some sort of predatory
insect like nematodes or predatory mites.
I also like botany peace

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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yeah i dont think you should spray shit on your casings , if your casing get infected i say toss it then maybe spray that shit around your room. and try to eliminate the problem farther up... and possibly place some of those yellow sticky bug cathers


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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i don't know what specific action makes this work, but used coffee grounds will drive them away . :smirk:

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: deanofmean]
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Applied in which fashion?


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: deanofmean]
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coffee grounds huh? That's interesting. But if it drives them away, I assume it will just run them out of the terrerium. They'll still be a major nuissance, but no longer a contamination. They would also be easier to deal with via chemical or mechanical means outside of the sensitive terrerium. Great idea. Have you tried this with mushrooms, or just used it around the kitchen or garden? If so, how did you use the grounds?

Suffucation, another excellent theory which one might be able to work out. Less messy than a candle, perhaps a co2 method could be devised. Seal the terrerium, allowing for some type of over-pressure release. Put a pitcher with a small amount of baking soda and vinegar in it. The co2 should fill the terrerium (I'm sure there are ways to figure out how much of each you'll need to fill the volume of the terrerium). The co2 should suffocate the bugs, and shouldn't really hurt the fungus in the relatively short period of time, if kept to only a few hours. This also depends on the respiration rate of the flies, and their larvae and eggs. I would imagine a few hours would certainly kill the flies, but I would bet the eggs would be pretty safe. Again, a very interesting theoretical path.

Since I don't grow shrooms anymore, I may try to culture a few batches of flies to test kill. I bet a nice mixture of old apples and peat moss would attract and breed quite a colony while simulating the casing environment. If anybody else feels the need to experiment, please do so as I tend to take my own sweet time getting around to things.

Anybody else have suggestions?


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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i dunno about this suffocation line of thought. have you ever drowned a fly then resuscitated it with salt? (ok, so i was really bored). once the bugger is back up and running they don't seem "brain-damaged". i would expect that the gnats would "die" (more like cease to function) until oxygen was made available and then they'd resume their merry contaminating lives. just a guess, though. not to mention this would have no effect on eggs and potential side effects on your mushies (depending on the exposure time)


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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I vote for an Ivory soap solution in a spray bottle. 1/4 teaspoon per quart. Hose the casing so you wet the top inch or so.
Gnats MUST fvckin' die!!!!! I hate those little bastards.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
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^^ good advice there :smile: 


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: Anno]
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i just dry the coffee and sprinkle it on the floor of the fruiting camber.
i haven't seen a gnat since i started using it last summer .
the soap is a good idea too .there is a brand called safer soap at the garden dept. its recommended for killing afids, spider mites, and whitefly . i use it in the green house . can spray or dip infected plants .i think it might work to mix some in your perlite for preventive maintainance .

Edited by deanofmean (02/07/03 07:51 AM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: vatoloco]
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Suffocation works (eg. heavy concentrations of CO2) but they must be exposed to such conditions for some time before they're realy dead, otherwise they may be simply reduced to a state of suspended metabolic activity. i'm not sure how long this takes for fruit flies, but it can take 24 hours with weevils and mites living in grain.
the two main problems with such an approach are
1.) prolonged exposure to extreme levels of CO2 or lack or O2 can revert your casing back to vegetative growth or cause a stall.
2.) while suffocation kills the living flies and larvae, it does not kill the eggs, wich can survive comercial pasturization, freeze drying, and vacume packaging.

BTW, AFungitobewith: nematodes? i am not sure introducing another (nastier) dung pest is the best solution, though i could well be wrong.

[Edit: debian, i should have read your post, you covered most of what i was thinking. about the flies, they can't be resurected, so to speak, forever after drowning, eventualy thier metabolism catches up with them and they die. BTW, Redhat is better...]

[Edit Again: Has anyone tried fly agarics? i have used them with success for fruit flies in my house in general, not to mention for regular house flies.]


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Edited by concretefeet (02/07/03 08:57 AM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: canid]
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please explain how fly agarics control flies (news to me please don't slap me)
also, Redhat is for weening you off windoze.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: debianlinux]
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Fly Agarics (A. muscaria), when choped fine and put in milk (i know, contam risk, but i don't imagine milk is the only working option) attract flies. the flies (just about all flies) love the smell and taste of Amanitas, so they eat thier fill, become intozicated, fall in the milk (or alternative) and can't get out. because the ibotenic acid in the fly agarics is water soluable, they stay intoxicated untill they die. since flies who are looking for food have not yet reproduced, they stand no chance, soon the whole population is eraticated.
this use is actualy the origin of their nick-name.

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also, Redhat is for weening you off windoze.



na, it's just a recovery ward for shell-shocked BSD users.


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Edited by concretefeet (02/07/03 09:53 AM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: canid]
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i wonder if something like A. muscaria and beer would work . :smile: 

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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Fought the GNAT wars & won.

Best bet is to not allow gnats into any grow area (no brainer).

Pasturize all substates WELL & do not store them where gnats can gain entry.

Draining a pillow case of wet pasturized dung, outside can self defeating. As the smell of steamy dung will draw them from miles away. The can actualy (IMHO) lay eggs through a pillow case. Once a substrate has eggs, in it. You are SOL.

Postive pressure air filtration of a grow area is a good way of keeping them out. If you can manage that.

2nd to Last defense line is an electric bug zapper. As in pic below.

Last ditch is covering colonizing substrate trays, with a polyspun polyester landscape clothe material (EasyGardener brand @ Lowes or HomeDepot 2 X 50 roll = $20), which is like a course filter disk material.



If you have an infestation in your grow room. You are SOL. They thrive & breed faster than you can KILL THE BASTARDS.

Best bet is trash can tek everything, bug bomb, disinfect everything & start over again. With every precaution you can muster in place. So the little buggers -- cannot get in.

6T (Mycota)


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: SixTango]
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I think the biggest obstacle is recontamination/cross-conatm. The damn gnats came from the HOUSEPLANTS and got into the shrroom substrate. It's a viscious cycle. Treat all the plants or soil in addition to the casings.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: deanofmean]
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Take a shot of any good ol' bourbon, put it in a shot glass or suitable container, and place it in the terrarium. They love the smell of the stuff, and drown themselves. Replace the bourbon until all are dead, and make sure to put one both inside and outside your terrarium, as you don't want any stragglers in your house to re-infect your substrate.

Combine this with used coffee grounds in your terrarium and they will(should) be out of your hair for a while.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: Shmoppy McGillicuddy]
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a clear cup of yellow (food coloring) water with a touch of dish soap makes a good trap.

I used to spray my outdoor beds with pyrethrum spray and it killed the bugs and didnt hurt the fungi.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: Millet]
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One other idea that I heard about and tried for fungus gnats is putting a couple few drops of peppermint oil in a quart or so of water and spray the gnat infested soil. This works on my salvia plants but I have no idea what peppermint oil would do to a casing.

Best of luck with those pesky lil buggerz!

Peace,
-TekNut-

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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I recently heard of soaking used cigarette butts in water and using this water to spray a problematic casing.  Sounds interesting but I dunno if it actually works.  Hey maybe one of you can go threw the trouble for me?  If it works I may give it a go :tongue:

IMO if you have a gnat problem then there is a source other than an infected casing.  A stably, moist, yummy casing is not going to draw enough gnats be a problem.  I have found that a kitchen for example with the occassional gnat can be devastating.  It is just an excuse for the to be drawn to a casing and thrive!!  I can give credit to my experience with gnats to a leaky kitchen sink and messing work habits like dung preparation.  Ringing dung spits the occassional stream of dung juice in the nooks and crannies of my kitchen and most of all the kitchen window sill.  I think ppl should take these in to cosideration.  Fly paper just wont cut it.  I have put the paper all over the damn house and all it does is fill with dead gnats but doesn't seem to help the slightest bit. 

Also, from my understanding once you see you have a gnat problem, you have already lost.  Isn't it the larvae that do the damage?  Tunneling up throw the fruit body and so on....!?!

 


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Edited by pleezr (02/09/03 11:03 AM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: pleezr]
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You can take care of that by cooking  what your using for your  casing at 325 degrees for 40 minutes in the oven.  I had a problem with  gnatties the first time i cased.  After that I cooked everything I was going to be using in my casing and have never had a problem since.  Uh... a word of advice keep an eye on what your cooking  because I once had a tiny piece of wood fall out onto the coil and it caught fire.  It filled my kitchen with lotsa smoke.  :smile:  :tongue: 

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST]
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I hate those bastards when out door growing. I tried everything but it's hard to do when you want to eat the shrooms.. gotta go bio freindly


have you tried coffee grounds around the perimeter of your beds ?
i don't know if bugs have noises, but i think they are repelled by the smell of coffee, onions, and garlic . just as they are attracted to the smell of shit .
i also have noticed less insects in the areas of the garden where we use mint straw .

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Edited by MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST (02/09/03 11:19 AM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST]
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Slugs were eating eating up my outdoors, I just put some dishes of beer and let em die. As far as those damn gnats, Ive tried the candle thing and it didnt work, I also tried sticking the casing in water in the fridge overnite. They died but I guess the eggs lived bc they had more a day later. I got them just once from some poo that came with a kit I ordered b4 i realized kits were retarded to buy. Now I pasteurize my own horse poo and have no problems.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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At home depot, walmart and a few other places they have something called "misquito dunks". These are the same bacteria that is sold by some shops as a fungus gnat control powder. Crush some of them up and sprinkle it where the larva are present. And hang yellow sticky traps everywhere to control the adults. Your problem will soon be solved. The larva love to eat the bacteria, which makes there stomachs explode or something.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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if what you are worrying about fungus gnats in your casing layer laying eggs or whatever just add diatomacous earth. Im sure I spelled that wrong but it is phonetically spelled good enough. Just do a simple search under organic gardening supplys, Im sure you will find it also most grow stores carry it. All it is is crushed up seashell that you add to your casing layer and it tears the larva to shredds. Keep the fruiting room clean and the casings are all they can live off which kills all there little children and use flypaper for adults.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: durban_poison]
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that's good to know .diatomacous earth is also used in swimming pool filters .
so it is accessible and relatively inexpensive .
and, since it is ph neutral, it could be spread directly on an infected casing .

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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This definately needs to made into an anti-shiteater TEK or become a proven method for the FAQ..


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Edited by motaman (02/15/03 05:24 PM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: motaman]
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Posting on this thread gave me fungus gnats. Never seen em before untill I posted. Squished that mofo good. Hopefully got the first and only gnat.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: ]
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This stuff works pretty well and doesn't seem to f-up a casing, even post-pinning.

Practically, though, it's best to just squeeze what you can out of casings-in-progress and then purge. Bleach.

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycofile]
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Heavy Artillery but eco-friendly and worth a look.

< http://www.doktordoom.com/ >

Peace.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: pleezr]
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Quote:
I recently heard of soaking used cigarette butts in water and using this water to spray a problematic casing. Sounds interesting but I dunno if it actually works. Hey maybe one of you can go threw the trouble for me? If it works I may give it a go



I've heard stories about drinks n prison being made to kill people like this.
I dunno how true they r.
I know if a kid or baby eats cigs it can be a pretty big deal(i've heard deadly)
But I dunno anyone whos kid ate cigs eather so that might be BS also.

We have things here called misquito bobbers there round blue or green about the size of a ping pong ball( i've seen diff shapes though)
You toss them in water in areas that are really bad (slow moving creeks,ect)
They work real good but I don't know if they just run them off or kill them.
it might just affect the eggs anyway there not poision 2 fish or animals that drink the water. Might try crushing i up and mixing it with some perlite
screening a few times really cuts back on them thats they only way I know how to fight them.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: SixTango]
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Allow me to repeat my ADM mantra:

MYCRO TEK MYCRO TEK MYCRO TEK MYCRO TEK etc.

Best possible protection against gnats and cake hopping parasitic molds (you know, the ones who wait until the substrate is colonized with the desired mycelium and then grow over it and infect the other cakes in the terrarium as well in a matter of hours). Even if a cake gets contaminated, it is not simple to hop to the next when the mycro tek is used.

Yachaj

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycophreak]
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What is this Mycro tek?
Are you trying to say myco tek, as in mycobags?


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: Shmoppy McGillicuddy]
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i'm not sure what micro tek he's refering to, but i'm sure he doesn't mean mycotek, as that's the name of a company, not a bag tek.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: Shmoppy McGillicuddy]
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I mean this



Yachaj

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycophreak]
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And this:



Yachaj

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycophreak]
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so it's an invitro tek, do you have a link so i can take a look at it?


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycophreak]
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This is the complete explanation of the mycro tek

hippie tek

Yachaj

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: mycophreak]
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oh, ok, i'd only heard of it refered to as the hippie tek.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: canid]
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interesting thread,
very informative,'
lots of helpful hints.
the 'mycro-tek' was what i originally dubbed my invitro method
but the name never really seemed to catch on.
the tek can now be found here-
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/18376.html?1039265527


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Re: Fungus gnat control *DELETED* [Re: TekNut]
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Post deleted by poke smot!

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Re: run to your local pet store. [Re: poke smot!]
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They have pest strips for just that problem. They are fruit flys.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: canid]
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id like to read it


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: MilkVein]
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man I hate fungus gnats and I hate their larvae worse
those skinny little bastards weasle around in your casing/substrate eating and transfering mold spores and whenever they feel like it the turn to pupa's and become new gnats. the larvae break down things they eat and cause them to decompose(rot) the bacteria/spores is then carried around on their bodies infecting everything they touch and the flies carry around the same spores bacterias on their bodies transferring them to wherever they decide to land. What a perfect name for these hated critters, they actually work hand in hand with the mold feeding off it and transferring it. I heard of some stuff called gnatrol? but I dont know exactly what it is. Did I say that I hate fungus gnats. If I didnt then let me say it again I HATE FUNGUS GNATS

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: chambers]
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damn cunts


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: chambers]
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damn cunts ...
that neglect tek (inbitro tek) is  TIGHT..TAlK aBOUT HAVING A JAR in RESERVE FOR ROAD TRIPS!! "so FRESH & so clean, CLEAN!!!"" :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :bong: :lol:


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: TekNut]
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Just a thought,

build a seperate chamber onto your fruiting chamber, inside the chamber put a few drops of fly pheromones to attract the flies, then put an ultraviolet light inside, the light will sterilize the flies but they will continue breeding as if they werent sterilized. Before long, the flies' life cycle will end and they will have no viable offspring.

Edited by HelterSkelter (09/05/03 10:19 AM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: HelterSkelter]
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SM-90 works better than Gnatrol

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: Anonymous]
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just noticed SM-90 is mostly canola oil YUK! GMO GMO GMO!!!


yes i realize now i just revived a 9yr old thread

Edited by pen15 (09/21/12 05:31 PM)

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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: pen15]
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Not sure how well it will work with mushroom cultivation, but my preferred gnat control trick with my various indoor plants is "Mosquito Dunks". Those ubiquitous beige clay like donuts they sell to toss in stagnant water to kill mozzy larvae. Active ingredient is Bti toxin (the bacteria themselves are deactivated), same stuff as Gnatrol and a lot easier to find. Toss the dunk in a jug of water and let soak for 24 hours, and use the solution to murder the little gnats en masse.

Again, im not sure how well this will work with mushrooms, you would have to be careful about the delivery method, but the toxin itself is harmless to humans and shouldn't hurt the mycelium  either. It is only active in the basic GI systems of certain insects, forming pores in their digestive organs.


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Re: Fungus gnat control [Re: matsc]
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when i still had the space for alot of stuff, i used carnivorous plants to take care of gnats. they arent that expensive and they look really cool. they actually worked very well for me.


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