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 safeway
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jar air exchange 
#1285069 - 02/06/03 10:43 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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A little over three weeks ago I injected 20 half pint jars with amazonian, and as of today most of them are about half colonized. Slow. I have a pretty stable 80-90 degrees maintained in my terrerium, with about 70 % humidity, so environment shouldnt be the problem. So as a last resort, im wondering if the tape over the lid holes is a problem. Do jars really need air exchange? ive gotten mixed messages on this. I always figured not, because it would up the risk of contaminants getting in.
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 Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1285073 - 02/06/03 10:44 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you have a verm layer at the top?
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: SixCee]
#1285085 - 02/06/03 10:46 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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it is gas exchange not air exchange 
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safeway
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1285362 - 02/06/03 12:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah i have a verm layer on top
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A0999
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 Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1285398 - 02/06/03 12:34 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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IMO its very important
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A0999
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1285400 - 02/06/03 12:34 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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then you should take the tape off
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Edited by anarchist0999 (02/06/03 12:35 PM)
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A0999
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1285402 - 02/06/03 12:35 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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same thing
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1285515 - 02/06/03 01:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Take the tape off and put a coffee filter over the top with a rubberband.
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 Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1285539 - 02/06/03 01:27 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Take the tape off and just wrap the top with tin foil.
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fugu
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click edit
write gas exchange
click change this post.
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1286226 - 02/06/03 04:34 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
click edit
write gas exchange
click change this post.
Yuo make me laugh Fugu....
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Angry Mycologist
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1286242 - 02/06/03 04:37 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Do jars really need air exchange?
Anno experimented with this idea and found that some does help a bit. Personally, I've experienced no problems with no air exchange during incubation, along with many others.
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Prisoner#1]
#1286243 - 02/06/03 04:38 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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gas exchange is very important. thats how i fucked up my first cakes. they still grew 33 shroms but they were only 75% colnized
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: dr4g0n]
#1286251 - 02/06/03 04:39 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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gas exchange is very important. thats how i fucked up my first cakes. they still grew 33 shroms but they were only 75% colnized
During fruiting, of course, but I believe we're talking about incubation.
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A0999
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1286361 - 02/06/03 05:14 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i suppose its hard for you to know all the meanings of english words, but in english gas exchange and air exchange are both okay to say.i guess if you really wanted to get into it , there is air, and the air contains many different gasses , all of the gasses make up the air. so stop bitchin about dumb shit.
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: A0999]
#1286407 - 02/06/03 05:25 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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anarchist, you started off really nice then got rude at the end. So what, English is not his first language. Try to keep that in mind. I think fugu is alright, even though his posts do require a bit of "deciphering" from time to time. I always try to remember that if roles were reversed and I was posting on a board where another language was being used that I would not appreciate being the subject of other's ridiucule simply because I had not mastered their language yet. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The former is acceptable and able to be corrected through education; the latter is unacceptable and is an unfortunate reality which generally is irreversible. Ignorance of our language is just that: ignorance... NOT stupidity. His posts may be hard to read but he is obviously intelligent and I for one welcome his contributions to this community.
...stepping off the soap box,
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Uber]
#1287179 - 02/07/03 01:23 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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so ok gas and air are same i hope...till then i always use gas exchange.
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deprave
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1287194 - 02/07/03 01:34 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Funny thing their guy, I know a three fisted monkey that has the same sort of configuration (that being amazonian in half pints stalling), well anyway i finaly got the monkey to pull his third first out of eheemmmm... and anyway long story short he removed the tape and loosened the lids and colonization speed up promptly, In the monkeys situation air exchange has always been important, maybe because the incubator is in a sealed contain within several containers i dont know anyway it is important do it up youll be happy 
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deprave
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: deprave]
#1287198 - 02/07/03 01:38 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I work with someone who doesnt speak english very well and when i first starting working with him i used to reply in broken english, funny how it rubs off lol, saw poogrower replying to a fugu post in broken english earlier, anyway its not that big of a deal shit, i cant speak many languages myself
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Anno
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1287213 - 02/07/03 01:58 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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>so ok gas and air are same i hope
Air is a mixture of different gases: nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide and other gases. Air is what you breath.
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Anno]
#1287222 - 02/07/03 02:05 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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so air or gas exchange
which do you prefer
i saw i big post in my computer that writes
i will count a spell on you all....
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Mycosaurus
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Anno]
#1287235 - 02/07/03 02:11 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
... Air is what you breath.
that's good. thanks for making me smile Anno 
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Mycosaurus]
#1287272 - 02/07/03 02:27 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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debianlinux
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Anno]
#1287319 - 02/07/03 02:50 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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>so ok gas and air are same i hope
Air is a mixture of different gases: nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon dioxide and other gases. Air is what you breath.
air is what you breathe and oxygen is what you ABSORB/CONVERT. mycelium/mushrooms do not breathe so to speak as they do not have lungs. but they do ABSORB/CONVERT oxygen pretty much the same way we do. gas exchange is actually more of an accurate term as opposed to air exchange. air is still air even when the ratio of oxygen to carbon dioxide is altered. you are exchanging air that has a higher concentration of the gas OXYGEN with the air that has a higher concentration of the gas CARBON DIOXIDE. so, in effect, it IS a gas exchange.
edit: really, it doesn't matter as the air(s) are being exchanged. a TRUE gas exchange would involve using a pure gas (o2) to exchange the converted o2 (co2). who really cares, I'm pissed I even bothered to type that shit up
Edited by debianlinux (02/07/03 02:52 AM)
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fugu
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thanks debi .i love you.realy sorry for bothering you.
yes who cares. 
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#1287814 - 02/07/03 06:10 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Post deleted by fIsh in my head
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A0999
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1287907 - 02/07/03 06:35 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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im sorry i didnt mean to come off as a shit head , but i was just trying to tell you so you didnt correct english speaking people english. but ya when we talk about air/gas exchange around here it is ok to say either one. its not always like that though, and thats what you need to learn... i can really imagine that your going through hell trying to learn another language as i am trying to learn spanish and it is somewhat difficult.
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A0999
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huh?
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A0999
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you didnt have to delete your post i was just wondering what you meant.
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#1288589 - 02/07/03 11:02 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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eh eh. I chose to simply press that delete button instead of explaining one of my comment that was going nowhere anyway...
see ya..
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 Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1288629 - 02/07/03 11:20 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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On my friends first round of jars, (pf tek) he had a dry verm layer on the top but only some of them had holes open for air/gas exchange. The ones that were open colonized fully in 24 days, the ones that didn't have holes open until 14 days into it, colonized in 45 days, almost double the amount of time.
My two cents
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: A0999]
#1288666 - 02/07/03 11:27 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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there is air, and the air contains many different gasses , all of the gasses make up the air. so stop bitchin about dumb shit.
LOL!
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safeway
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: BigJohnson]
#1290600 - 02/08/03 07:57 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I took all the tape off yesterday. maybe ill update later with results
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: safeway]
#1290672 - 02/08/03 08:41 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1290702 - 02/08/03 08:53 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can someone please explain to me if gas/air exchange is so important, how come hippie can get 7+ grams per cake invitro??? There is very little exchange when they are left in the jar for 4 or more good flushes. Please explain how a shroom can grow in a jar smashed against the side with absolutley no room for the fruit itself, let alone decent gas/air exchange?
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Re: jar air exchange [Re: Mycotopian]
#1290719 - 02/08/03 08:59 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's more about preventing anaerobic bacteria and aborts. inside a a jar it should stay sterile.
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fugu
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#1290721 - 02/08/03 09:00 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* [Re: fugu]
#1290735 - 02/08/03 09:05 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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That deleted post ^ above me ^ did say "this is hippie"
No sorry Fugu this is not Hippie, I only wish I had hippies experience. I would just like an answer to my question?
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* [Re: Mycotopian]
#1290744 - 02/08/03 09:08 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i wish i had debi s experiences
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* [Re: fugu]
#1290785 - 02/08/03 09:24 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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the 2 above post wish deleted by fugu
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* [Re: fugu]
#1290800 - 02/08/03 09:28 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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debi wishes he had hippie, anno, roadkill, etc. etc. etc.etc's experience
debi fubars plenty
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: debianlinux]
#1290832 - 02/08/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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fugu
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* [Re: fugu]
#1290833 - 02/08/03 09:51 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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That deleted post ^ above me ^ did say
"this post is going to be deleted
and it wrote here
i wish i had fugus mind "
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safeway
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* [Re: fugu]
#1293400 - 02/09/03 10:32 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, my colonization sped up at least tenfold since i took the tape off. about half a jar colonized in like three days. Bummer, i should have done it ages ago
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Anno
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Re: jar air exchange *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: fugu]
#1293418 - 02/09/03 10:39 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guys, this is mushroom cultivation, please try to stay on topic...thank you!
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ShroomALooM
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 Re: jar air exchange [Re: fugu]
#1294941 - 02/10/03 12:29 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks All
Tape Off/ Foil lid=ok
Air/Gas Exchange=Good
Happy Mushies
Got it
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