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Wikileaks Founder Assange releases 91,000 reports covering the war in Afghanistan from 2004 to 2010 * 2
    #12829907 - 06/30/10 04:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

There has been a lot of speculation regarding what Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is going to release next. The information is said to be so explosive that Assange was hiding out and the Pentagon was looking for him.

Some like the Pentagon Papers' leaker Daniel Ellsberg have issued warnings that Assange's life may be in danger. The Pentagon, it has been reported, was looking to question Assange.

Julian Assange confirms that he does have an Afghan civilian massacre video. But this is not the really big news. Previously, it was thought that the massacre video was the reason that the Pentagon wanted to question Assange.

Assange says "I can give an analogy. If there had been mass spying that had affected many, many people and organizations and the details of that mass spying were released then that is something that would reveal that the interests of many people had been abused." (source: abc.net.au)

According to Assange, the explosive 'Wikileak' would be of the type similar to the Echelon system. For those that aren't aware of that system. It is a secret, or was a secret, program that was engaged in mass spying on the citizens of the US, Australia, New Zealand, Canadia, and Britain. Echelon involved the gathering of mass amounts of electronic information and putting in a database for analysis.

....Intelligence monitoring of people in the area covered by the AUSCANZUKUS security agreement has caused concern. Some critics claim the system is being used not only to search for terrorist plots, drug dealers' plans, and political and diplomatic intelligence but also for large-scale commercial theft, international economic espionage and invasion of privacy. British journalist Duncan Campbell and New Zealand journalist Nicky Hager asserted in the 1990s that the United States was exploiting ECHELON traffic for industrial espionage, rather than military and diplomatic purposes.[10]....(source: wikipedia)

The excuse for the intrusive electronic
spying on citizens by the government is that it is needed to keep us free. But it would seem that an intrusive spying system without a warrant or judicial review doesn't contribute to freedom but is merely an expression of fascism.

If Assange has information on the vast monitoring of people all over the world. It wouldn't be surprising. But perhaps just what the military industrial complex is monitoring might be the troubling part.




If this fucker has this info he should throw it out there right now.
Why wait??? Lets do this.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12829927 - 06/30/10 04:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Assange says "I can give an analogy. If there had been mass spying that had affected many, many people and organizations and the details of that mass spying were released then that is something that would reveal that the interests of many people had been abused." (source: abc.net.au)





green lantern

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According to Assange, the explosive 'Wikileak' would be of the type similar to the Echelon system.





green lantern

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If this fucker has this info he should throw it out there right now.
Why wait??? Lets do this.




because he has to be sure he wont be imprisoned for high treason


green lantern was leaked nearly 20 years ago along with tempest and
echelon, one of those has been successfully removed from view

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12829938 - 06/30/10 04:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

So why leak it again if that is indeed what it is??

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12829949 - 06/30/10 04:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

He always waits before he releases his info.

it's probably because he wants to build a good following to ensure as many people will see it as possible before he releases it.

He delivered last time with last release he made, so I don't mind waiting for this "explosive" release... And the "mass spying" hint is interesting.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12829956 - 06/30/10 05:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

x Ju x said:
He always waits before he releases his info.

it's probably because he wants to build a good following to ensure as many people will see it as possible before he releases it.

He delivered last time with last release he made, so I don't mind waiting for this "explosive" release... And the "mass spying" hint is interesting.




The mass spying thing is an analogy. I would not think that is exactly
what it is. But possibly.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12829966 - 06/30/10 05:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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So why leak it again if that is indeed what it is??





because it disappeared, you cant find reference to it anywhere any more,
back then there was a little on the internet and fidonet but at the time
the number of people that even knew what delphi was was small, the internet
was still unheard of so it didnt propagate like the others, the HAARP shit
was also leaked at the same time

I mean jebus, you kids today

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12829976 - 06/30/10 05:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

We need more people like this guy, who don't give a fuck. :thumbup:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12829995 - 06/30/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

x Ju x said:
He always waits before he releases his info.

it's probably because he wants to build a good following to ensure as many people will see it as possible before he releases it.

He delivered last time with last release he made, so I don't mind waiting for this "explosive" release... And the "mass spying" hint is interesting.




The mass spying thing is an analogy. I would not think that is exactly
what it is. But possibly.




I doubt it's spying either.

But it's interesting how he used a mass spying analogy. :shrug:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12830001 - 06/30/10 05:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

DeadHearts said:
So why leak it again if that is indeed what it is??





because it disappeared, you cant find reference to it anywhere any more,
back then there was a little on the internet and fidonet but at the time
the number of people that even knew what delphi was was small, the internet
was still unheard of so it didnt propagate like the others, the HAARP shit
was also leaked at the same time

I mean jebus, you kids today




So what do you think the significance of this could be if all the info
was leaked. Again, if this is indeed "green lantern" I cant find any info
on it :smirk: And if that was goin on 20 years ago what could our boys
and girls be up to these days??

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x] * 1
    #12830021 - 06/30/10 05:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Good post. Hope he really has something.
The world can use another riot.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12830032 - 06/30/10 05:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

x Ju x said:
I doubt it's spying either.




any way you flip this there's massive 'spying' involved, espionage is
accurate, as to how assange came into possession of 260k documents, many
from the state department, all from a spc in the army, I'm sure these
documents will also implicate spying as well as many other criminal acts
being committed by government

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12830034 - 06/30/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
if that was goin on 20 years ago what could our boys
and girls be up to these days??





nothing

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12830037 - 06/30/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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if that was goin on 20 years ago what could our boys
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nothing







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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12830061 - 06/30/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You never answered my question pris

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12830094 - 06/30/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I never answer questions

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12830115 - 06/30/10 05:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'll believe it when/if he releases it.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12830122 - 06/30/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A complementary act of defiance could be had if a media insider could somehow air this release on mainstream outlets during peak hours. 'Yes Men' style tactics come to mind.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: nooneman]
    #12830127 - 06/30/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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I'll believe it when/if he releases it.




Um yeah that is the general idea man lol.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: nooneman]
    #12830130 - 06/30/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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I'll believe it when/if he releases it.




even if it's unbelievable?

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: nooneman]
    #12830175 - 06/30/10 05:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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I'll believe it when/if he releases it.




Well he delivered with the last release he claimed to make.

chance are this one will be legit. Unless the pentagon gets to him first...


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12830190 - 06/30/10 05:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What was the last release he claimed to make?

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Kamek]
    #12830238 - 06/30/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This...



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12830248 - 06/30/10 05:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

nooneman said:
I'll believe it when/if he releases it.




even if it's unbelievable?



Especially if it's unbelievable! :vaped:

Edited by nooneman (06/30/10 06:05 PM)

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12830368 - 06/30/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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This...






still makes me sick

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12884284 - 07/11/10 08:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Any new news?


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: SS32]
    #12884309 - 07/11/10 08:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Any new news?




Naw man this has kinda been goin down for a while. I dont know if the
guy got arrested or what or if he gave the information to someone else
to leak. But if he did or does have it, Its going to make its way to us
sooner or later.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12884426 - 07/11/10 09:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I heard that wikileaks was going to be taken down by Julian Assange and company and moved to Iceland. Where he has fought for better media/whistle blower laws.

Perhaps he is waiting until that happens? Where he has a little more freedom? Anyone know if there is any truth to him moving his site? I hope Julian keeps up the good work this man is the real deal!


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeNovoLogiK]
    #12884439 - 07/11/10 09:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DeNovoLogiK said:
I heard that wikileaks was going to be taken down by Julian Assange and company and moved to Iceland. Where he has fought for better media/whistle blower laws.

Perhaps he is waiting until that happens? Where he has a little more freedom? Anyone know if there is any truth to him moving his site? I hope Julian keeps up the good work this man is the real deal!




Yeah he seems to be. But I have not heard anything about the move.
I have heard about the site being taken down. No surprise there.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #12884457 - 07/11/10 09:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2366305,00.asp

looks like they are preparing then. Thanx for that info logik :smile:

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12886005 - 07/12/10 07:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I heard the site was no longer being updated and eventually taken down because they were relocating or making a new site or something like that.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12886648 - 07/12/10 10:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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x Ju x said:
Yeah I heard the site was no longer being updated and eventually taken down because they were relocating or making a new site or something like that.




yeah just check that link out :thumbup:

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12923995 - 07/20/10 11:30 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Until the said information comes out you guys might want to check
out this very recent interview with Assange. Kind of gives you an
idea for what he is about.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/07/20/assange.wikileaks.ted/index.html?hpt=C1

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12924309 - 07/20/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Until the said information comes out you guys might want to check
out this very recent interview with Assange. Kind of gives you an
idea for what he is about.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/07/20/assange.wikileaks.ted/index.html?hpt=C1




Thank you. :thumbup:

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Arden]
    #12924702 - 07/20/10 01:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder if this is related to that recent Washington Post project Top Secret America.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12951456 - 07/25/10 05:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

it is released!

also a guardian section on it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/afghanistan-the-war-logs




the 7zip archives are always corrupt when I try to download them. what does it meeeeaaaaaaaaaaaan

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12951602 - 07/25/10 05:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I cant seems to find the actual reports / files.

However Im fucking starving over here and running on fumes LOL.
I should eat something.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12951847 - 07/25/10 06:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I tried to download them to but it just stops downloading halfway through. :shrug:


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    #12951909 - 07/25/10 06:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This doesn't seem that substantial to me, relative to all of the hype. :shrug:

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Arden]
    #12951928 - 07/25/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet, it's been a month... What "bombshell did he release?"


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Arden]
    #12951930 - 07/25/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Arden said:
This doesn't seem that substantial to me, relative to all of the hype. :shrug:




he stated once in an interview something like "We promise our leakers, in return for their contribution, that we will try to draw as much attention as we can to the leak"
so I suppose he wasn't lying... haha

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12951939 - 07/25/10 06:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

maybe its reverse Orwellian, we spy on them

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Arden]
    #12951957 - 07/25/10 06:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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This doesn't seem that substantial to me, relative to all of the hype. :shrug:


im looking through the data and i agree :shrug:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: kintos]
    #12951962 - 07/25/10 06:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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zenthor said:
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This doesn't seem that substantial to me, relative to all of the hype. :shrug:


im looking through the data and i agree :shrug:




Me too but thats ok.

There will be a release of substantial information soon. These guys dont
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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12952289 - 07/25/10 07:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12952334 - 07/25/10 07:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12952347 - 07/25/10 07:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

old news already been posted :tongue:

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12952367 - 07/25/10 07:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

and yes. not too special though. hopefully it brings a little more attention to the fact that we are still in a war.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12952379 - 07/25/10 07:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

lol

i forgot that we were in a war. o well :feelsgoodman:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: I AM SWIM]
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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12952498 - 07/25/10 08:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/





Here we are folks.


Im not even going to be able to comment on this for a while.
So much information to go through.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12952499 - 07/25/10 08:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

so what benefit is there from all of this being posted online?

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12952514 - 07/25/10 08:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/





Here we are folks.


Im not even going to be able to comment on this for a while.
So much information to go through.




Record it while you can... I want to read it, but I'm too busy watching Boogie Nights with my girl.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12952525 - 07/25/10 08:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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so what benefit is there from all of this being posted online?

...not replying to anyone in particular...




Well we are going to have to go through it first to see if there
really is a point if that makes sense. There could be some pretty
nasty things in there are dear ol govment never wanted anyone to see.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12952549 - 07/25/10 08:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I download but cant seam to open any of the files anyone else having this problem:eek:


From what I read its just about what I already know many more casualties then reported, mistakes, the usa pretty much for all proposes funding the terrorist themselves..... oh  well I guess its how you read it.

Most of the support comes from the Pakistani  Intelligence service the very people we give 1 billion dollars a year. That we know of. Now that could save a lot of schools back here..... Not to mention the fact we are fighting the same people we are paying to fight us
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There are much more friendly action reports then enemy action reports I find that ironic


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12952626 - 07/25/10 08:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26isi.html?_r=1
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Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan, Reports Assert

Americans fighting the war in Afghanistan have long harbored strong suspicions that Pakistan’s military spy service has guided the Afghan insurgency with a hidden hand, even as Pakistan receives more than $1 billion a year from Washington for its help combating the militants, according to a trove of secret military field reports made public Sunday.

The documents, made available by an organization called WikiLeaks, suggest that Pakistan, an ostensible ally of the United States, allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders.

Taken together, the reports indicate that American soldiers on the ground are inundated with accounts of a network of Pakistani assets and collaborators that runs from the Pakistani tribal belt along the Afghan border, through southern Afghanistan, and all the way to the capital, Kabul.

Much of the information — raw intelligence and threat assessments gathered from the field in Afghanistan— cannot be verified and likely comes from sources aligned with Afghan intelligence, which considers Pakistan an enemy, and paid informants. Some describe plots for attacks that do not appear to have taken place.

But many of the reports rely on sources that the military rated as reliable.

While current and former American officials interviewed could not corroborate individual reports, they said that the portrait of the spy agency’s collaboration with the Afghan insurgency was broadly consistent with other classified intelligence.

Some of the reports describe Pakistani intelligence working alongside Al Qaeda to plan attacks. Experts cautioned that although Pakistan’s militant groups and Al Qaeda work together, directly linking the Pakistani spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, with Al Qaeda is difficult.

The records also contain firsthand accounts of American anger at Pakistan’s unwillingness to confront insurgents who launched attacks near Pakistani border posts, moved openly by the truckload across the frontier, and retreated to Pakistani territory for safety.

The behind-the-scenes frustrations of soldiers on the ground and glimpses of what appear to be Pakistani skullduggery contrast sharply with the frequently rosy public pronouncements of Pakistan as an ally by American officials, looking to sustain a drone campaign over parts of Pakistani territory to strike at Qaeda havens. Administration officials also want to keep nuclear-armed Pakistan on their side to safeguard NATO supplies flowing on routes that cross Pakistan to Afghanistan.

This month, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, in one of the frequent visits by American officials to Islamabad, announced $500 million in assistance and called the United States and Pakistan “partners joined in common cause.”

The reports suggest, however, that the Pakistani military has acted as both ally and enemy, as its spy agency runs what American officials have long suspected is a double game — appeasing certain American demands for cooperation while angling to exert influence in Afghanistan through many of the same insurgent networks that the Americans are fighting to eliminate.

Behind the scenes, both Bush and Obama administration officials as well as top American commanders have confronted top Pakistani military officers with accusations of ISI complicity in attacks in Afghanistan, and even presented top Pakistani officials with lists of ISI and military operatives believed to be working with militants.

Benjamin Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, said that Pakistan had been an important ally in the battle against militant groups, and that Pakistani soldiers and intelligence officials had worked alongside the United States to capture or kill Qaeda and Taliban leaders.

Still, he said that the “status quo is not acceptable,” and that the havens for militants in Pakistan “pose an intolerable threat” that Pakistan must do more to address.

“The Pakistani government — and Pakistan’s military and intelligence services — must continue their strategic shift against violent extremist groups within their borders,” he said. American military support to Pakistan would continue, he said.

Several Congressional officials said that despite repeated requests over the years for information about Pakistani support for militant groups, they usually receive vague and inconclusive briefings from the Pentagon and C.I.A.

Nonetheless, senior lawmakers say they have no doubt that Pakistan is aiding insurgent groups. “The burden of proof is on the government of Pakistan and the ISI to show they don’t have ongoing contacts,” said Senator Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat on the Armed Services Committee who visited Pakistan this month and said he and Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the committee chairman, confronted Pakistan’s prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, yet again over the allegations.

Such accusations are usually met with angry denials, particularly by the Pakistani military, which insists that the ISI severed its remaining ties to the groups years ago. An ISI spokesman in Islamabad said Sunday that the agency would have no comment until it saw the documents. Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, said, “The documents circulated by WikiLeaks do not reflect the current on-ground realities.”

The man the United States has depended on for cooperation in fighting the militants and who holds most power in Pakistan, the head of the army, Gen. Parvez Ashfaq Kayani, ran the ISI from 2004 to 2007, a period from which many of the reports are drawn. American officials have frequently praised General Kayani for what they say are his efforts to purge the military of officers with ties to militants.

American officials have described Pakistan’s spy service as a rigidly hierarchical organization that has little tolerance for “rogue” activity. But Pakistani military officials give the spy service’s “S Wing” — which runs external operations against the Afghan government and India — broad autonomy, a buffer that allows top military officials deniability.

American officials have rarely uncovered definitive evidence of direct ISI involvement in a major attack. But in July 2008, the C.I.A.’s deputy director, Stephen R. Kappes, confronted Pakistani officials with evidence that the ISI helped plan the deadly suicide bombing of India’s Embassy in Kabul.

From the current trove, one report shows that Polish intelligence warned of a complex attack against the Indian Embassy a week before that bombing, though the attackers and their methods differed. The ISI was not named in the report warning of the attack.

Another, dated August 2008, identifies a colonel in the ISI plotting with a Taliban official to assassinate President Hamid Karzai. The report says there was no information about how or when this would be carried out. The account could not be verified.

General Linked to Militants

Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul ran the ISI from 1987 to 1989, a time when Pakistani spies and the C.I.A. joined forces to run guns and money to Afghan militias who were battling Soviet troops in Afghanistan. After the fighting stopped, he maintained his contacts with the former mujahedeen, who would eventually transform themselves into the Taliban.

And more than two decades later, it appears that General Gul is still at work. The documents indicate that he has worked tirelessly to reactivate his old networks, employing familiar allies like Jaluluddin Haqqani and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, whose networks of thousands of fighters are responsible for waves of violence in Afghanistan.

General Gul is mentioned so many times in the reports, if they are to be believed, that it seems unlikely that Pakistan’s current military and intelligence officials could not know of at least some of his wide-ranging activities.

For example, one intelligence report describes him meeting with a group of militants in Wana, the capital of South Waziristan, in January 2009. There, he met with three senior Afghan insurgent commanders and three “older” Arab men, presumably representatives of Al Qaeda, who the report suggests were important “because they had a large security contingent with them.”

The gathering was designed to hatch a plan to avenge the death of “Zamarai,” the nom de guerre of Osama al-Kini, who had been killed days earlier by a C.I.A. drone attack. Mr. Kini had directed Qaeda operations in Pakistan and had spearheaded some of the group’s most devastating attacks.

The plot hatched in Wana that day, according to the report, involved driving a dark blue Mazda truck rigged with explosives from South Waziristan to Afghanistan’s Paktika Province, a route well known to be used by the insurgents to move weapons, suicide bombers and fighters from Pakistan.

In a show of strength, the Taliban leaders approved a plan to send 50 Arab and 50 Waziri fighters to Ghazni Province in Afghanistan, the report said.

General Gul urged the Taliban commanders to focus their operations inside Afghanistan in exchange for Pakistan turning “a blind eye” to their presence in Pakistan’s tribal areas. It was unclear whether the attack was ever executed.

The United States has pushed the United Nations to put General Gul on a list of international terrorists, and top American officials said they believed he was an important link between active-duty Pakistani officers and militant groups.

General Gul, who says he is retired and lives on his pension, dismissed the allegations as “absolute nonsense,” speaking by telephone from his home in Rawalpindi, where the Pakistani Army keeps its headquarters. “I have had no hand in it.” He added, “American intelligence is pulling cotton wool over your eyes.”

Senior Pakistani officials consistently deny that General Gul still works at the ISI’s behest, though several years ago, after mounting American complaints, Pakistan’s president at the time, Pervez Musharraf, was forced publicly to acknowledge the possibility that former ISI officials were assisting the Afghan insurgency. Despite his denials, General Gul keeps close ties to his former employers. When a reporter visited General Gul this spring for an interview at his home, the former spy master canceled the appointment. According to his son, he had to attend meetings at army headquarters.

Suicide Bomber Network

The reports also chronicle efforts by ISI officers to run the networks of suicide bombers that emerged as a sudden, terrible force in Afghanistan in 2006.

The detailed reports indicate that American officials had a relatively clear understanding of how the suicide networks presumably functioned, even if some of the threats did not materialize. It is impossible to know why the attacks never came off — either they were thwarted, the attackers shifted targets, or the reports were deliberately planted as Taliban disinformation.

One report, from Dec. 18, 2006, describes a cyclical process to develop the suicide bombers. First, the suicide attacker is recruited and trained in Pakistan. Then, reconnaissance and operational planning gets under way, including scouting to find a place for “hosting” the suicide bomber near the target before carrying out the attack. The network, it says, receives help from the Afghan police and the Ministry of Interior.

In many cases, the reports are complete with names and ages of bombers, as well as license plate numbers, but the Americans gathering the intelligence struggle to accurately portray many other details, introducing sometimes comical renderings of places and Taliban commanders.

In one case, a report rated by the American military as credible states that a gray Toyota Corolla had been loaded with explosives between the Afghan border and Landik Hotel, in Pakistan, apparently a mangled reference to Landi Kotal, in Pakistan’s tribal areas. The target of the plot, however, is a real hotel in downtown Kabul, the Ariana.

“It is likely that ISI may be involved as supporter of this attack,” reads a comment in the report.

Several of the reports describe current and former ISI operatives, including General Gul, visiting madrasas near the city of Peshawar, a gateway to the tribal areas, to recruit new fodder for suicide bombings.

One report, labeled a “real threat warning” because of its detail and the reliability of its source, described how commanders of Mr. Hekmatyar’s insurgent group, Hezb-i-Islami, ordered the delivery of a suicide bomber from the Hashimiye madrasa, run by Afghans.

The boy was to be used in an attack on American or NATO vehicles in Kabul during the Muslim Festival of Sacrifices that opened Dec. 31, 2006. According to the report, the boy was taken to the Afghan city of Jalalabad to buy a car for the bombing, and was later brought to Kabul. It was unclear whether the attack took place.

The documents indicate that these types of activities continued throughout last year. From July to October 2009, nine threat reports detailed movements by suicide bombers from Pakistan into populated areas of Afghanistan, including Kandahar, Kunduz and Kabul.

Some of the bombers were sent to disrupt Afghanistan’s presidential elections, held last August. In other instances, American intelligence learned that the Haqqani network sent bombers at the ISI’s behest to strike Indian officials, development workers and engineers in Afghanistan. Other plots were aimed at the Afghan government.

Sometimes the intelligence documents twin seemingly credible detail with plots that seem fantastical or utterly implausible assertions. For instance, one report describes an ISI plan to use a remote-controlled bomb disguised as a golden Koran to assassinate Afghan government officials. Another report documents an alleged plot by the ISI and Taliban to ship poisoned alcoholic beverages to Afghanistan to kill American troops.

But the reports also charge that the ISI directly helped organize Taliban offensives at key junctures of the war. On June 19, 2006, ISI operatives allegedly met with the Taliban leaders in Quetta, the city in southern Pakistan where American and other Western officials have long believed top Taliban leaders have been given refuge by the Pakistani authorities. At the meeting, according to the report, they pressed the Taliban to mount attacks on Maruf, a district of Kandahar that lies along the Pakistani border.

The planned offensive would be carried out primarily by Arabs and Pakistanis, the report said, and a Taliban commander, “Akhtar Mansoor,” warned that the men should be prepared for heavy losses. “The foreigners agreed to this operation and have assembled 20 4x4 trucks to carry the fighters into areas in question,” it said.

While the specifics about the foreign fighters and the ISI are difficult to verify, the Taliban did indeed mount an offensive to seize control in Maruf in 2006.

Afghan government officials and Taliban fighters have widely acknowledged that the offensive was led by the Taliban commander Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who was then the Taliban shadow governor of Kandahar.

Mullah Mansour tried to claw out a base for himself inside Afghanistan, but just as the report quotes him predicting, the Taliban suffered heavy losses and eventually pulled back.

Another report goes on to describe detailed plans for a large-scale assault, timed for September 2007, aimed at the American forward operating base in Managi, in Kunar Province.

“It will be a five-pronged attack consisting of 83-millimeter artillery, rockets, foot soldiers, and multiple suicide bombers,” it says.

It is not clear that the attack ever came off, but its planning foreshadowed another, seminal attack that came months later, in July 2008. At that time, about 200 Taliban insurgents nearly overran an American base in Wanat, in Nuristan, killing nine American soldiers. For the Americans, it was one of the highest single-day tolls of the war.

Tensions With Pakistan

The flood of reports of Pakistani complicity in the insurgency has at times led to barely disguised tensions between American and Pakistani officers on the ground.

Meetings at border outposts set up to develop common strategies to seal the frontier and disrupt Taliban movements reveal deep distrust among the Americans of their Pakistani counterparts.

On Feb. 7, 2007, American officers met with Pakistani troops on a dry riverbed to discuss the borderlands surrounding Afghanistan’s Khost Province.

According to notes from the meeting, the Pakistanis portrayed their soldiers as conducting around-the-clock patrols. Asked if he expected a violent spring, a man identified in the report as Lt. Col. Bilal, the Pakistani officer in charge, said no. His troops were in firm control.

The Americans were incredulous. Their record noted that there had been a 300 percent increase in militant activity in Khost before the meeting.

“This comment alone shows how disconnected this particular group of leadership is from what is going on in reality,” the notes said.

The Pakistanis told the Americans to contact them if they spotted insurgent activity along the border. “I doubt this would do any good,” the American author of the report wrote, “because PAKMIL/ISI is likely involved with the border crossings.” “PAKMIL” refers to the Pakistani military.

A year earlier, the Americans became so frustrated at the increase in roadside bombs in Afghanistan that they hand-delivered folders with names, locations, aerial photographs and map coordinates to help the Pakistani military hunt down the militants the Americans believed were responsible.

Nothing happened, wrote Col. Barry Shapiro, an American military liaison officer with experience in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, after an Oct. 13, 2006, meeting. “Despite the number of reports and information detailing the concerns,” Colonel Shapiro wrote, “we continue to see no change in the cross-border activity and continue to see little to no initiative along the PAK border” by Pakistan troops. The Pakistani Army “will only react when asked to do so by U.S. forces,” he concluded.




this is one thing in it I suppose.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12952663 - 07/25/10 09:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It may be interesting when all the soldiers reports of conflict are cross referenced to the official reports that were released. We can see how much they stretch the truth.

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    #12952671 - 07/25/10 09:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The reports look like raw data to me and name one veteran that wants to go into detail. :shrug:


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    #12952747 - 07/25/10 09:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

sure, but what if say the reports of civilian casualties in the leaked reports are consistently larger than the official reports? On the other hand what if they are exactly the same?

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Freedom]
    #12952805 - 07/25/10 09:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

(CNN) -- A whistle-blower website has published what it says are more than 90,000 United States military and diplomatic reports about Afghanistan filed between 2004 and January of this year.

The first-hand accounts are the military's own raw data on the war, including numbers killed, casualties, threat reports and the like, according to Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.org, which published the material Sunday.

"It is the total history of the Afghan war from 2004 to 2010, with some important exceptions -- U.S. Special Forces, CIA activity and most of the activity of other non-U.S. groups," Assange said.

CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the documents. The Department of Defense will not comment on them until the Pentagon has had a chance to look at them, a Defense official told CNN.

Assange declined to tell CNN where he got the documents. He claims the documents reveal the "squalor" of war, uncovering how many relatively small incidents have added up to huge numbers of dead civilians.

Just In blog: What is WikiLeaks?

The significance lies in "all of these people being killed in the small events that we haven't heard about that numerically eclipse the big casualty events. It's the boy killed by a shell that missed a target," he told CNN.

"What we haven't seen previously is all those individual deaths," he said. "We've seen just the number and like Stalin said, 'One man's death is a tragedy, a million dead is a statistic.' So, we've seen the statistic."

The New York Times reported Sunday that military field documents included in the release suggest that Pakistan, an ally of the United States in the war against terror, has been running something of a "double game," allowing "representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders."

Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the United States, issued a statement Sunday saying the reports "do not reflect the current onground realities."

Rather, they "reflect nothing more than single source comments and rumors, which abound on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border and are often proved wrong after deeper examination," Haqqani's statement said.

"Pakistan's government under the democratically elected leadership of President (Asif Ali) Zardari and Prime Minister (Yousuf Raza) Gilani is following a clearly laid out strategy of fighting and marginalizing terrorists and our military and intelligence services are effectively executing that policy," the statement said.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, said in a statement Sunday that the documents -- regardless of how they came to light -- "raise serious questions about the reality of America's policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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WikiLeaks publishes anonymously submitted documents, video and other sensitive materials after vetting them, it says. It claims never to have fallen for a forgery.

It has made headlines for posting controversial videos of combat in Iraq.

The site gained international attention in April when it posted a 2007 video said to show a U.S. helicopter attack in Iraq killing a dozen civilians, including two unarmed Reuters journalists.

At the time, Maj. Shawn Turner, a U.S. military spokesman, said that "all evidence available supported the conclusion by those forces that they were engaging armed insurgents and not civilians."

Pfc. Bradley Manning, 22, suspected of leaking a classified 2007 video, has been charged by the U.S. military with eight violations of the U.S. Criminal Code for transferring classified data, according to a charge sheet released by the military earlier this month.

Attempts to reach Manning's military defense attorney, Capt. Paul Bouchard, were unsuccessful Sunday. However, U.S. Army spokesman Col. Tom Collins has said Bouchard would not speak to the media about the charges.

Assange says WikiLeaks has attempted to put together a legal team to defend Manning, something it will do for any "alleged" whistle-blower that runs into legal trouble because of WikiLeaks.

Assange, a former teen hacker who launched the site in 2007, denies that WikiLeaks has put troops in danger.

"There certainly have been people who have lost elections as a result of material being on WikiLeaks," he said.

"There have been prosecutions because of material being on WikiLeaks. There have been legislative reforms because of material being on WikiLeaks," he said. "What has not happened is anyone being physically harmed as a result."

The website held back about 15,000 documents from Afghanistan to protect individuals who informed on the Taliban, he said.

But he said he hoped his website would be "very dangerous" to "people who want to conduct wars in an abusive way."

"This material doesn't just reveal occasional abuse by the U.S. military," he said. "Of course it has U.S. military reporting on all sort of abuses by the Taliban. ... So it does describe the abuses by both sides in this war and that's how people can understand what's really going on and if they choose to support it or not."

Assange said the organization gets material from whistle-blowers in a variety of ways -- including postal mail. He said WikiLeaks vets it, releases it to the public and then defends itself against "the regular political or legal attack."

He said the organization rarely knows the identity of the source of the leak. "If we find out at some stage, we destroy that information as soon as possible," he said.

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    #12952818 - 07/25/10 09:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

WikiLeaks Releases Over 90,000 Documents On Afghanistan War...
John Kerry: 'Serious Questions About The Reality Of America's Policy'...
Hundreds Of Civilian Deaths Unreported... Much Bleaker Than Official Portrayal... Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan... Leak Background... Read The Documents

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    #12952837 - 07/25/10 09:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I already posted that you chode. Stop stealing my glory...


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #12952844 - 07/25/10 09:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I already posted that you chode. Stop stealing my glory...




Where?

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #12952863 - 07/25/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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WikiLeaks Releases Over 90,000 Documents On Afghanistan War...
John Kerry: 'Serious Questions About The Reality Of America's Policy'...
Hundreds Of Civilian Deaths Unreported... Much Bleaker Than Official Portrayal... Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan... Leak Background... Read The Documents



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http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/25/wikileaks.afghanistan/index.html?hpt=T1

Was this it?




There motherfucker...


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Freedom]
    #12952868 - 07/25/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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It may be interesting when all the soldiers reports of conflict are cross referenced to the official reports that were released. We can see how much they stretch the truth.





worry more when all the reports of a unit are the same and match the official reports

some of this information was leaked a few years ago, no real detail but leaked none the less

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    #12952893 - 07/25/10 09:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Dunno if this has been posted yet...



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #12952914 - 07/25/10 09:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

DeadHearts said:
WikiLeaks Releases Over 90,000 Documents On Afghanistan War...
John Kerry: 'Serious Questions About The Reality Of America's Policy'...
Hundreds Of Civilian Deaths Unreported... Much Bleaker Than Official Portrayal... Pakistan Aids Insurgency in Afghanistan... Leak Background... Read The Documents



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http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/25/wikileaks.afghanistan/index.html?hpt=T1

Was this it?




There motherfucker...




Oh well man I missed it  :shrug:  As for ur glory, I guess I missed that too.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12954388 - 07/26/10 07:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100726/ap_on_re_us/us_afghanistan_wikileaks
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LONDON – The release of some 91,000 secret U.S. military documents on the Afghanistan war is just the beginning, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange promised Monday, adding that he still has thousands more Afghan files to post online.
[...]
Assange told reporters in London that what's been reported so far on the leaked documents has "only scratched the surface" and said some 15,000 files on Afghanistan are still being vetted by his organization.
He said he believed that "thousands" of U.S. attacks in Afghanistan could be investigated for evidence of war crimes, although he acknowledged that such claims would have to be tested in court.
"It is up to a court to decide really if something in the end is a crime," he said.
Assange pointed in particular to a deadly missile strike ordered by Taskforce 373, a unit allegedly charged with hunting down and killing senior Taliban targets. He said there was also evidence of cover-ups when civilians were killed, including what he called a suspiciously high number of casualties that U.S. forces attributed to ricochet wounds.



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12954411 - 07/26/10 08:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sifting through it all now but it's tricky to understand everything in the reports.

It's gonna take a while to go through everything to find the most important reports.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12954933 - 07/26/10 10:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm sifting through it all now but it's tricky to understand everything in the reports.

It's gonna take a while to go through everything to find the most important reports.




Yeah some more tricky than others because of the fucking code names and shit.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12955233 - 07/26/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thank christ you can hover the mouse over the underlined words and it shows you what the abbreviations stand for.

Otherwise I'd be all day trying to find out what half of it means.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: x Ju x]
    #12955407 - 07/26/10 12:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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x Ju x said:
Thank christ you can hover the mouse over the underlined words and it shows you what the abbreviations stand for.

Otherwise I'd be all day trying to find out what half of it means.





If you post what you are having trouble with maybe i could I'll translate some
MEDEVAC ( medical evac usually by helicopter mostly )
AQ ( Al qaida)
SVBIED ( suicide vest bomber )
WIA ( wounded in action )
Cf  ( Collation forces) 
LN ( Local nationals)
ANA ( afghan national army)
ABP ( afghan border patrol )
FOB ( forward operating base)
ACM ( anti collation miltia )
CAS ( close air support )
GSW ( gunshot wound)
AO ( Area of operations) 
POO ( point of origin )
POI ( point of impact)
INS (insurgence )
NFTR ( nothing further to report )
VPC ( Vehicle check point )
PTS ,program ( Preform to serve program ) was for "insurgence to get government jobs if they laid down there weapons 
TB ( Taliban )
IVO ( In Vincenty of )
HIIDE system- field biometrics capturing device  (The HIIDE is the world’s first hand-held tri-biometric system that allows users to enroll and match via any of the three primary biometrics: iris, finger and face)

Theres many more ill make a more complete list later

BTW I have all the files I could the site keeps getting attacked and shut down.
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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: trekie]
    #12955535 - 07/26/10 01:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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trekie said:
Quote:

x Ju x said:
Thank christ you can hover the mouse over the underlined words and it shows you what the abbreviations stand for.

Otherwise I'd be all day trying to find out what half of it means.





If you post what you are having trouble with maybe i could I'll translate some
MEDEVAC ( medical evac usually by helicopter mostly )
AQ ( Al qaida)
SVBIED ( suicide vest bomber )
WIA ( wounded in action )
Cf  ( Collation forces) 
LN ( Local nationals)
ANA ( afghan national army)
ABP ( afghan border patrol )
FOB ( forward operating base)
ACM ( anti collation miltia )
CAS ( close air support )
GSW ( gunshot wound)
POO ( point of origin )
POI ( point of impact)



Theres many more ill make a more complete list later




It'll definitely help a lot of people out :thumbup:

you can put your mouse over the abbreviations and it tells you what they are, But a complete list would be a good help :thumbup:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: deXtrous]
    #12955684 - 07/26/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Dunno if this has been posted yet...







wow!



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found this too.  prob been post few times http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: P-O]
    #12956512 - 07/26/10 04:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

War is good for you, And me 


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12968181 - 07/28/10 06:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Has this been posted? Just saw it today...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/28/afghanistan.wikileaks.suspect/index.html?hpt=T2

Official: Pentagon focusing on 'main suspect' in Afghanistan leak



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Washington (CNN) -- The Pentagon is focusing on jailed Army Pfc. Bradley Manning as the main suspect in the leak of tens of thousands of secret U.S. military documents related to the war in Afghanistan, a senior Pentagon official told CNN Wednesday.

Manning, 22, is believed to have accessed a worldwide military classified internet and e-mail system to download tens of thousands of documents, according to the official, who did not want to be identified because of the ongoing criminal investigation of the soldier.

The FBI is assisting in the Defense Department investigation as well, FBI Director Robert Mueller said Wednesday.

"We're currently supporting the DOD investigation into that leak, and to the extent that DOD needs our assistance or we can be of help we are providing that support at this juncture," Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee. "I can't say as to where that particular investigation will lead."

The Pentagon official said investigators now believe Manning logged into a system called the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network, which essentially provides military members who have appropriate security clearances access to classified e-mails and the military's classified internet system. But the official emphasized passwords and other control measures such as physical access are needed to log onto specific systems that provide information classified at the highest levels.
Pentagon officials have said for the past several days that so far the only material they have seen on the website WikiLeaks.org is classified at the "secret" level, a relatively low-level designation that allows for a large number of military personnel to access the information.

The senior Pentagon official told CNN that for now, Defense Secretary Robert Gates is relying on the Army criminal investigation into Manning and the leaks to determine how it happened and what might need to be done to prevent future cases.

"The secretary is determined to get to the bottom of this," the official said.

The editor in chief of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has refused to say where his whistle-blower website got about 91,000 United States documents about the war. Some 76,000 of them were posted on the site Sunday in what has been called the biggest leak since the Pentagon Papers about the Vietnam War.

The Pentagon has said it has not seen any top-secret information in any of the papers, and both the Defense Department and the White House say they don't contain much new information about the war, now nearly nine years old.

Maj. Gen. John Campbell, the U.S. commander in eastern Afghanistan, told reporters Wednesday that he doesn't believe the release has had "a great impact currently on us."

"We have not changed any of our operations or any strategy here based on that leak," he said.

Manning was charged in June with eight violations of the U.S. Criminal Code for allegedly illegally transferring classified data, reportedly including an earlier video that wound up on WikiLeaks.org. The private had top-secret clearance as an intelligence analyst for the Army when he was stationed in Iraq.

The Army is considering whether Manning should face the military equivalent of a trial over the charges. He has not yet entered a plea, since there has not yet been a decision about whether he should face trial, Army Maj. Bryan Woods told CNN. Military lawyers for Manning referred CNN questions about him to Woods.

Meanwhile, anti-war activists have rallied around the jailed soldier. A group called "Courage to Resist," which supports troops who refuse to take part in the war, has begun soliciting funds for Manning's defense online.

Jeff Paterson, the group's director, told CNN he has been in touch with Manning's family and has raised about $4,000 for his defense so far.

"If Bradley is behind the larger Wikileaks documents, he seems to be the kind of guy who didn't do this for any other reason that he had a guilty conscience," he said. "He just couldn't keep to himself the things that he knew which he felt were morally objectionable."

Manning is being held at a U.S. base in Kuwait since his arrest in June in connection with the release of classified U.S. military combat video, which showed the shooting deaths of Iraqi civilians and two journalists in 2007 by a helicopter gunship. He has invoked the Fifth Amendment and is refusing to answer questions, the Pentagon official said.

Among the other counts he faces, Manning has been charged with communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source and disclosing classified information concerning the national defense with reason to believe that the information could cause injury to the United States. The latter charge stems from the leak of the helicopter video.
The documents released by WikiLeaks are divided into more than 100 categories and touch on everything from the hunt for al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden to Afghan civilian deaths resulting from U.S. military actions. Tens of thousands of pages of reports document attacks on U.S. troops and their responses, relations between Americans in the field and their Afghan allies, intramural squabbles among Afghan civilians and security forces, and concerns about neighboring Pakistan's ties to the Taliban.

CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the documents, but neither the White House nor the Pentagon has denied that they are what WikiLeaks claims they are. And WikiLeaks has another 15,000 documents that it plans to publish after editing out names to protect people, according to Assange.

Assange said his website is not campaigning against the war.

"WikiLeaks does not have an opinion whether the war in Afghanistan should continue or not continue. ... It should continue in a just way if it's to continue at all," he said.



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12982597 - 07/31/10 08:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://m.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/wikileaks-insurance-file/
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WikiLeaks Posts Mysterious ‘Insurance’ File
By Kim Zetter
July 30, 2010  |  3:09 pm  |


In the wake of strong U.S. government statements condemning WikiLeaks’ recent publishing of 77,000 Afghan War documents, the secret-spilling site has posted a mysterious encrypted file labeled “insurance.”

The huge file, posted on the Afghan War page at the WikiLeaks site, is 1.4 GB and is encrypted with AES256. The file’s size dwarfs the size of all the other files on the page combined. The file has also been posted on a torrent download site.

WikiLeaks, on Sunday, posted several files containing the 77,000 Afghan war documents in a single “dump” file and in several other files containing versions of the documents in various searchable formats.

Cryptome, a separate secret-spilling site, has speculated that the new file added days later may have been posted as insurance in case something happens to the WikiLeaks website or to the organization’s founder, Julian Assange. In either scenario, WikiLeaks volunteers, under a prearranged agreement with Assange, could send out a password or passphrase to allow anyone who has downloaded the file to open it.

It’s not known what the file contains but it could include the balance of data that U.S. Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning claimed to have leaked to Assange before he was arrested in May.


In chats with former hacker Adrian Lamo, Manning disclosed that he had provided Assange with a different war log cache than the one that WikiLeaks already published. This one was said to contain 500,000 events from the Iraq War between 2004 and 2009. WikiLeaks has never commented on whether it received that cache.

Additionally, Manning said he sent Assange video showing a deadly 2009 U.S. firefight near the Garani village in Afghanistan that local authorities say killed 100 civilians, most of them children, as well as 260,000 U.S. State Department cables.

Manning never mentioned leaking the Afghan War log to WikiLeaks in his chats with Lamo, but Defense Department officials told The Wall Street Journal that investigators had found evidence on Manning’s Army computer that tied him to that leak.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen strongly condemned WikiLeaks’ publication of the Afghan War log at a Pentagon press briefing on Thursday.

Gates said the leak was “potentially severe and dangerous for our troops, our allies and our Afghan partners” and said that “tactics, techniques and procedures will become known to our adversaries” as a result.

Mullen was even more direct and said that WikiLeaks “might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier” or an Afghan informant who aided the United States.

Several media outlets have found the names of Afghan informants in the documents WikiLeaks published, as well as information identifying their location in some instances. A Taliban spokesman told Britain’s Channel 4 news that the group was sifting through the WikiLeaks documents to get the names of suspected informants and would punish anyone found to have collaborated with the United States and its allies.

Wired.com has sent a message to WikiLeaks inquiring about the file.




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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: golden1]
    #12982625 - 07/31/10 08:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Pretty smart.. The military industrial complex has to be infuriated over stuff like this.

They will inevitably crumble (along with politics & religion) as they become more irrelevant and corrupt, and more people start waking up and resisting.

We need more organizations like WikiLeaks to help quicken this process. :thumbup:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12982667 - 07/31/10 08:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That seems like a really short sighted perspective to me.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12982728 - 07/31/10 09:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It seems to me that believing these outdated ideologies are still needed is a short-sighted perspective. :shrug:

In a few hundred years we'll look back on this time and laugh at their dieing last breaths.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12982989 - 07/31/10 09:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Violence is a part of human nature, and it's going to take more than a few hundred years to weed it out.


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    #12983081 - 07/31/10 10:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Violence is not a part of my nature, and I think the majority of violence today is a symptom of our society, not genetics.

If we healed society, the symptoms would disappear.. Just a thought. :awesome:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12983138 - 07/31/10 10:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree, but I can respect your perspective.:snowman:


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12983159 - 07/31/10 10:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

As long as you believe violence to be a part of your nature, then it will be..

Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back?



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12983177 - 07/31/10 10:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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As long as you believe violence to be a part of your nature, then it will be..

Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back?






I agree but the whole jesus thing not so much.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12983208 - 07/31/10 10:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:lolsy:

It was a joke.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12983215 - 07/31/10 10:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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:lolsy:

It was a joke.




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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12983226 - 07/31/10 10:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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As long as you believe violence to be a part of your nature, then it will be..

Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back?





I don't know about that, there are billions of people all around the world, and you can find violence in every imaginable culture. Even throughout the Himalayas in communities and cultures that were completely built around buddhism there was (and is) still just as much violence as anywhere else. Human beings just have a natural propensity towards violence as far as I can tell. I think it's probably a trait that contributes to a high degree of biological fitness in any population. After all, if you're a wild animal, and you wait around until you're hungry to get something to eat, you're probably not going to survive very long.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12983239 - 07/31/10 11:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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As long as you believe violence to be a part of your nature, then it will be..

Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back?





I don't know about that, there are billions of people all around the world, and you can find violence in every imaginable culture. Even throughout the Himalayas in communities and cultures that were completely built around buddhism there was (and is) still just as much violence as anywhere else. Human beings just have a natural propensity towards violence as far as I can tell. I think it's probably a trait that contributes to a high degree of biological fitness in any population. After all, if you're a wild animal, and you wait around until you're hungry to get something to eat, you're probably not going to survive very long.




Violence is dependent mostly upon intelligence as far as I am concerned.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12983243 - 07/31/10 11:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Intelligent people commit acts of violence all the time though.


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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12985745 - 08/01/10 03:42 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

how do you think we will weed out violence?

I can't imagine a system without dissidents. As technology increases, the power of a minority of violent dissidents increases (chemical, biological, and even nuclear or new forms of economic violence).

I see the wars between states receding as acts of terrorism become the main source of violence.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Freedom]
    #12985820 - 08/01/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

bullshit

if the states had nothing to argue/take over and took care of their fucking self their would be no reason to label people terrorist

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Konyap]
    #12985880 - 08/01/10 04:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

huh?

Arguments between states or within states are caused by people. I can't imagine a state that would satisfy everybody, and as long as some are unsatisfied there is the potential for violence.

I'm not talking about the label terrorism, I'm talking about large scale indiscriminate attacks to make a political point.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Freedom]
    #12985899 - 08/01/10 04:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't imagine a state that would satisfy everybody, and as long as some are unsatisfied there is the potential for violence.



A resource-based economy perhaps?



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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12986067 - 08/01/10 05:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

For anyone who thinks violence is just in our genes and is part of who
we are then you are part of the problem and one of the reasons its still
accepted. There should never be reason enough for wars or mindless shootings in the
streets.

I really do think violence stems from how intelligent you are. If you do not
have the means to communicate past ur differences then its clear you a fucking
idiot.

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Intelligent people commit acts of violence all the time though.




How so?? If you are talking about how our governments decide to carry out war
then you could have a point but I still truly question the intelligence behind
them. There is a deep dark agenda behind all of the shit we see as far as our
governments are concerned.

If you are truly intelligent then there would never be a need for violence unless
of course you have a mental illness to go along with it.

Im having a really bad day and find that I am having trouble laying down
my points so I hope this is making sense to at least one person.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: DeadHearts]
    #12988552 - 08/02/10 12:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

wrestling ftw

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Adamist]
    #12988610 - 08/02/10 12:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I can't imagine a state that would satisfy everybody, and as long as some are unsatisfied there is the potential for violence.



A resource-based economy perhaps?





Look at Mel Gibson. From a resource point of view, he should be one happy fucker.

From my perspective, fear is the pressure that puts people into groups, group fear and self interest supports war.

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Re: Wikileaks Founder Assange Gives a Hint on 'Orwellian' Bombshell [Re: Freedom]
    #12988708 - 08/02/10 01:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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