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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Seuss]
    #12817196 - 06/28/10 10:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:
For a long time, the big crunch was an accepted theory.  It has recently been shown, by several different experiments, that the universe is accelerating, thus the likelihood of a big crunch is very, very small.




Which just further confuses the issues. Dark matter throws such a wrench into all our theories, but it seems to be the most consistent unknown we've found so far.

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Seuss]
    #12817433 - 06/28/10 11:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:
For a long time, the big crunch was an accepted theory.  It has recently been shown, by several different experiments, that the universe is accelerating, thus the likelihood of a big crunch is very, very small.




In truth, they are all just theories and speculation until proven wrong. I love when people try and "estimate" how large the Universe is. We haven't seen the wall yet, so as far as we know it's infinite.

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #12817602 - 06/28/10 12:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

and the thing that would be trippy about a wall is that walls intrinsically mean there's something on the other side. Another universe? blank nothingness? can nothing actually exist? It's really mind boggling.

I think the most logical (or at least easiest for me to wrap my infinitesimal brain around) is that space time is curved, so that there doesn't necessarily have to be a wall, OR infinite empty space. If you fly in the same direction long enough you'll end up right back where you started. :shrug:

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: ApJunkie]
    #12818257 - 06/28/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If the universe (i.e.- existence) is finite, then something other than existence exists beyond its bounds (i.e.- non-existence)--this doesn't make sense on many levels, one being that by definition, non-existence is non-existent, another being that existence cannot co-exist with non-existence (which by definiton is the absence of existence).


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Heroin]
    #12818809 - 06/28/10 03:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well if anyone ever told me the universe was an unintelligent design...

I'd tell them to head as far south as they can go, as far away from a city as possible, stay up late, and watch the sky...

If what they see they call unintelligent, then well, i would conclude that the only unintelligent thing the universe designed, was them


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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Chronic7]
    #12819115 - 06/28/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That's so subjective to your pov its not funny. Everyone sees things differently and that does not necessarily say anything about their intelligence. The night sky may be beautiful to you but that's just you. And me.


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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Icelander]
    #12819133 - 06/28/10 04:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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That's so subjective to your pov its not funny




Big deal


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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Chronic7]
    #12819204 - 06/28/10 05:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Recursion. The unlimited and limited perspective are linked and dependent on each other and give rise to one another. The ultimate opposite-opposite coupling. The whole universe is based on opposites, embedded in one another, creating one another. What created the first opposite? It always existed, which means that everything always existed. This is Tao. Constant and changing.



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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Poid]
    #12819318 - 06/28/10 05:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
If the universe (i.e.- existence) is finite, then something other than existence exists beyond its bounds (i.e.- non-existence)--this doesn't make sense on many levels, one being that by definition, non-existence is non-existent, another being that existence cannot co-exist with non-existence (which by definiton is the absence of existence).




Well that's assuming that you consider ALL existence to be in OUR universe. I personally consider our universe to be only the finite collection of galaxies and cosmic matter in this particular little clusterfuck of space.

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Chronic7]
    #12819498 - 06/28/10 06:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
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That's so subjective to your pov its not funny




Big deal




One of your more mature responses.:lol:


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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Icelander]
    #12819923 - 06/28/10 07:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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ApJunkie said:
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Poid said:
If the universe (i.e.- existence) is finite, then something other than existence exists beyond its bounds (i.e.- non-existence)--this doesn't make sense on many levels, one being that by definition, non-existence is non-existent, another being that existence cannot co-exist with non-existence (which by definiton is the absence of existence).




Well that's assuming that you consider ALL existence to be in OUR universe. I personally consider our universe to be only the finite collection of galaxies and cosmic matter in this particular little clusterfuck of space.


'Universe' is synonymous with 'existence' in the way I'm using it here.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Seuss]
    #12826917 - 06/30/10 12:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Seuss said:
For a long time, the big crunch was an accepted theory.  It has recently been shown, by several different experiments, that the universe is accelerating, thus the likelihood of a big crunch is very, very small.




We could be in an accelerating pocket of space in a wider universe of different expressions.  We don't know shit.

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Re: Intelligent Design [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #12828616 - 06/30/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

imo time and the universe are infinite


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