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Invisiblecottlestonpie
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Idea on hydration for cakes?
    #1281820 - 02/05/03 11:53 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I was smoking some bud and got to thinking. I am about to birth a few cakes in the next day or so and I was trying to make a decision on how to hydrate my setup. I was entertaining the idea of sticking a straw in the middle of the cake like the resivoir tek(sp? sorry stoned) but instead of supplying the water every day with a syringe I was thinking of elevating the cake somehow and then sticking the straw up through the bottom rather than through the top. Then instead of supplying the water with the syringe supplying the water with a small tub or cup of water. My reasoning for this idea being that instead of having to add water everyday or a couple time a day the cake would take water as needed from the cup kinda like how a plant gets water through the ground with its roots. Would this work like that or would the water just sit there? would it work if i covered the cup and had no way for the water to escape except through the straw? If this did work would it get too much water? This was just idea i was entertaining and wanted some input, i'll probally put it to the test in the next couple of days if anyone thinks it is at all possible


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281842 - 02/05/03 12:01 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

You must be smoking more then bud cause thats really stupid. Stick to the teks. And a pool of water underneathe can work but your just inviting contams. And i dont really get the stick the straw threw the bottom? that would work if there wasnt gravity i guess. Leave that expierement up to the astraunots at nasa.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281843 - 02/05/03 12:01 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

There is so much info on hydrating cakes. Check out the FAQs.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281855 - 02/05/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

That sound like a pretty cool idea. If I were to try it, I'd consider using several small straws - like the kind you stir coffie with - and dunk the cakes overnight with the straws inserted. That way they are primed and full of water. In the vascular system of a tree, once the "chain" of water is broken, that vessel can never be used again.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: PooGrower]
    #1281858 - 02/05/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

damn dude no need for hostility it was just a thought, i know there are plenty of ways to hydrate i was just fucking around. I wont express anykind of thinking anymore i'll just put down other people so I can be like you


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281862 - 02/05/03 12:09 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

:confused:  No dude I like your ideas and all but it sounded like you had no way of hydrating them (perlite) and you were wondering how to supply hydration.

If it sounded like I was getting hostile I wasn't.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281864 - 02/05/03 12:10 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

there would be no gain in sticking the straw in the bottom.
roots are part of the plant and the are actually in the water.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: PooGrower]
    #1281871 - 02/05/03 12:13 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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You must be smoking more then bud cause thats really stupid. Stick to the teks.



This is a shitty attitude. "Stick to the teks?" Come on bro, this is how discoveries are made. I agree that it MAY not be the best idea, it may even do harm. But it might work like a charm.

In theory, I think the idea had merit.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281874 - 02/05/03 12:13 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

so would the straw but i just wasnt sure it would take the water from the cup it was just a thought i wanted to bring up.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281875 - 02/05/03 12:14 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I dont think it would. Maybe placing a paper towel over your cake and have the ends going into water would work. The paper towel would absorb the water and onto the cake and the mushrooms would rip through it.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281880 - 02/05/03 12:16 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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there would be no gain in sticking the straw in the bottom.
roots are part of the plant and the are actually in the water.



Were looking at physics here, not a biomechanical root system. Skip the idea of roots and look at some of the ways water is driven through a plant once it passes the roots.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281883 - 02/05/03 12:17 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i know the straw would be in water but it wouldn't suck water up cause of gravity.
think of it like this. the mycelium is the roots. when its in the ground it takes water from the dirt. mycelium can drown and roots cant.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SixCee]
    #1281892 - 02/05/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe placing a paper towel over your cake and have the ends going into water would work. The paper towel would absorb the water and onto the cake and the mushrooms would rip through it.


This is another neat idea in theory. I'd think you'd have to be super carefull about contams though.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281893 - 02/05/03 12:20 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

ok i was just wondering if it would but after some of this feedback it seems it wouldnt. Thanks everyone


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281905 - 02/05/03 12:25 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

if u stick with the hobby long enough u'll come back to this post and laugh.
it was brought about by weed and lack of knowledge. I have said some real stupid stuff and still do so dont take negetive comments to heart.
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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281918 - 02/05/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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i know the straw would be in water but it wouldn't suck water up cause of gravity.
think of it like this. the mycelium is the roots. when its in the ground it takes water from the dirt. mycelium can drown and roots cant.



Yes, you can get the straw to suck up water. You know how a straw can hold a column of water when you cap it with your finger? The same concept applies here. This is why I suggested priming the straws with water. The spongy mycelium and cake material may be enough to effectively "cap" the end. Also, I suggested really skinny straws - not only would this increase the likeliness that the cake would seal off the one end, but adhesion and the capillary effect will be increased as well.

As the cake loses water, either by giving it off or by drawing it for growth, water would be drawn through the straws against gravity. Look up transpiration. How do you thin 100 foot tall trees move hundreds of pounds of water to their very tops?


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1281933 - 02/05/03 12:37 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I like the idea in theory. It may not well work at all. If it does work, it may be quite unneccessary. However, it could work great and increase yields.

No one will ever know without experimnetation.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1281939 - 02/05/03 12:38 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

the difference between ur finger and a cake is ur finger holds the pressure. the cake would not. too much air going threw the cake to keep the water in the straw.



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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1281944 - 02/05/03 12:39 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i know i should probally put this idea to death but I had one more thought and i'll be done, would cut up sponge stuffed into a straw and have one end in the cake and the other in water work? it would seem that this would soak up the appropriote water into the cake but i'm sure i'll get hell for posting this as well.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1281946 - 02/05/03 12:39 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

if this is all about increasing yield do friggen bulk. cakes are ment for small personal use operations.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281955 - 02/05/03 12:42 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i see now why people some people dont respond to these posts.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281957 - 02/05/03 12:42 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

its not to increse yields, like i said just a thought, and i didnt think about the pressure thing, now i'm positive it wont work, thanks for the insight


Edited by cottlestonpie (02/05/03 12:44 PM)


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Post deleted by MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1281967 - 02/05/03 12:45 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1281968 - 02/05/03 12:45 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

the difference between ur finger and a cake is ur finger holds the pressure. the cake would not. too much air going threw the cake to keep the water in the straw. 



:grin:  I just took a cake I have and stuck a fat 'ol McDonalds straw full of water to it's underside.  The water column held.  Try it yourself (with a standard colonized PF cake) and see.

Beside that, look into the capillary effect and adhesion.  A short, small diameter straw will fill itself right up with water. 


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: vatoloco]
    #1281988 - 02/05/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

no offense, but dunking is easier,
less prone to contams and just
as effective.

no need to reinvent the wheel.



I do agree with the first part of this. However, advances in technology, the real steps forward, are always baby steps. But like I said, even if this would work it may be entirely unneccesary.

Dunking works wonders, and you can't get much more simple than that.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1281990 - 02/05/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

it may hold for a bit, hold it above ur head for an hour and see if any of its left fool.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1281994 - 02/05/03 12:52 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Deffinatly too much weed    cut down n send the surplus to me  :grin:

hehe 


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1282000 - 02/05/03 12:54 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

im bored and just wanna stir up trouble dont take me seriously haha


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1282002 - 02/05/03 12:56 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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it may hold for a bit, hold it above ur head for an hour and see if any of its left fool.



Go get a blood test, the kind where the prick your finger. Then report back to me what you have observer.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1282022 - 02/05/03 01:03 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

What im saying is i bet it has a slow leak, do it if u want i dont care. i was just pointing how dumb u were without actually saying it.
cant hold it in no more cause u are pretty dumb from wat can see.

get a blood test??????????????? sure ur not smoking crack?


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #1282057 - 02/05/03 01:11 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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What im saying is i bet it has a slow leak, do it if u want i dont care. i was just pointing how dumb u were without actually saying it.
cant hold it in no more cause u are pretty dumb from wat can see.

get a blood test??????????????? sure ur not smoking crack?



What you are missing is that a short, small diameter straw will COMPLETELY FILL ITSELF WITH WATER against the force of gravity. Any "capping" action of the cake would just be ice cream on top of the pie. (Whoa, maybe I am smoking crack!) The point is that it wouldn't even be necessary, but it would be a contributing factor.

Go play with some toilet paper in water. Hollow tubes do the same thing. When you get a blood test by pin prick, one common way of collecting the blood is with a capillary stick - a small diameter straw.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: PooGrower]
    #1282064 - 02/05/03 01:12 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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You must be smoking more then bud cause thats really stupid. Stick to the teks. And a pool of water underneathe can work but your just inviting contams. And i dont really get the stick the straw threw the bottom? that would work if there wasnt gravity i guess. Leave that expierement up to the astraunots at nasa.


Dude you need to chill.
Lately you have been like on the rag or something.
Let me lay it down for you....stop being a dickhead!

Oh.... and its spelled "astronaut" not astraunots.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: PooGrower]
    #1282073 - 02/05/03 01:14 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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im bored and just wanna stir up trouble dont take me seriously haha


Let me give you a written warning then.
Stop or I'll have you banned for 3 days.
Period.

Go play in OTD....and play nice!




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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Roadkill]
    #1282099 - 02/05/03 01:24 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

yea i need to chill ill go read some grow logs haha


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: PooGrower]
    #1282132 - 02/05/03 01:32 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i'm sorry i posted such a stupid question, i was just under the impression that this was a discussion forum and i wanted to discuss this idea, i didnt want to reinvent the wheel i was just interested in seeing if anyone thought this would work cause it seemed like self sufficient way of hyrdrating cakes, i now know this is absurd idea which i kinda thought before i posted this but i thought it couldnt hurt to ask.  Thanks for everyones input good and bad, both are helpfull :smile:
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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: Theta]
    #1282146 - 02/05/03 01:34 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:


:grin:  I just took a cake I have and stuck a fat 'ol McDonalds straw full of water to it's underside.  The water column held.  Try it yourself (with a standard colonized PF cake) and see.

Beside that, look into the capillary effect and adhesion.  A short, small diameter straw will fill itself right up with water. 




yup, and everytime i goto mcdonald i stick the straw in and open wide cause im getting a drink if i want it or not. 


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1282192 - 02/05/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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i'm sorry i posted such a stupid question, i was just under the impression that this was a discussion forum and i wanted to discuss this idea, i didnt want to reinvent the wheel i was just interested in seeing if anyone thought this would work cause it seemed like self sufficient way of hyrdrating cakes, i now know this is absurd idea which i kinda thought before i posted this but i thought it couldnt hurt to ask.  Thanks for everyones input good and bad, both are helpfull :smile:
peace 


You didn't...it was a good question.
We just happen to have a few jerks that seem to brain fart now and then...and they  ruin a thread or 2.
Just ignore them.

Dunking, injecting sterile water, or having a straw in the cakes seem to work out really well.
Geolite balls can wick water up into the cakes...you might try those. 


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1282249 - 02/05/03 01:51 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

while reading this i had a brain fart .
run a candle wick through the cake .
you could put the wick through a small hole in a jar lid and set the whole works on top of a cup of water .


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: deanofmean]
    #1282553 - 02/05/03 03:26 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

A brain fart haha


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: PooGrower]
    #1282688 - 02/05/03 04:17 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Ive never heard of Geolite balls, what are they and where can I get these?


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1282855 - 02/05/03 05:17 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: motaman]
    #1283012 - 02/05/03 06:15 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i don't know for certain, but is Geolite made of pottery clay ?
if it is, maybe we could make it ourselves .
seems like i saw a post sometime ago, about growing shrooms on a Geopet . :grin: 


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: cottlestonpie]
    #1283052 - 02/05/03 06:45 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think it is a stupid question. And I think your logic is sound. Capillary action would draw water if the tube is small enough. Hell, trees do it all day every day. I think you would be better off to use a nice thick piece of string. Maybe embed it durring the making of the cake. If you could spiral it in while loading the jar and leave several inches loose. When you birth you could let the string hang in a h2o/h2o2 solution. Sounds to me like it might do a good job hydrating the cake. No harm in trying and posting the results.


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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1286057 - 02/06/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I have squeezed the cakes like a sponge under water.
It seems to work great. I like the idea of passive hydro
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Re: Idea on hydration for cakes? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1286092 - 02/06/03 04:00 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

that would work. pain in the ass though. would be easier just to dunk.


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