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The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits
    #12800889 - 06/25/10 04:26 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

The stimulus, part of which was unemployment benefits, stopped a lot of the problems associated with our recession and economic downturn and has been pretty much necessary due to the high unemployment rate and the simple fact that these problems only get worse.

This has proven to be successful for obvious reasons, and has helped stop future problems. I unfortunately have been unemployed or underemployed for the better part of 2 years now.

I myself used to be able to get a job in a month or two tops and generally used very little unemployment, if any.

Now I am out, having to fight for just a few weeks of state extended benefits that ended for EVERYONE here in Colorado on June 5th. I dont get those because of a decision made last year that postponed me for ten weeks (which was bad enough) and waited 4 fucking months for a decision that was not made in my favor (or rationally). At least I eventually got those benefits and they waived the two weeks i did get after becoming unemployed from having to be repaid, which would have been rather pointless since of course i eventually would have gotten them.

I did work one place part time that helped out, and offset unemployment a little while making somewhat more money. I am throwing them under the bus because they are at fault for the job separation, however I have to wait for a hearing because this sat on someones desk until i called to inquire what was taking so long, and then was rushed through without being looked at.

I worked in Real Estate related jobs, administrative stuff. Now that market is fucked. Thank you GOP!

I am now stuggling to find SOMETHING and getting the same old bullshit from places, I used to work good jobs and now I and plenty of Americans are getting absolutely nothing, and if I could find a job I would. I live with my parents so at least I am not out on the streets.

Tired of this shit, tired of struggling, and now I have to hear that the GOP has once again fucked over the American worker and that I have to deal with possibly not even getting a few weeks of benefits, on top of being blindsided about not even getting the meager unemployment benefits that where keeping my head above water.

I really just want a decent job that is stable and is at least part time. What i really want is to go back to making 10 bucks an hour or so full time. I need to get back on my feet and have no idea what to do anymore. I really hope the place I interviewed with through my friend wants to hire me when they get situated in their new place. It would be a great job.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12800930 - 06/25/10 04:49 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

man i hope it gets better for you, I'm on my last month of unemployment benefits and don't know what I'm gonna do when its over..
cant get a job..maybe ill give crime a chance.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12801186 - 06/25/10 07:26 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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The stimulus, part of which was unemployment benefits, stopped a lot of the problems associated with our recession and economic downturn and has been pretty much necessary due to the high unemployment rate and the simple fact that these problems only get worse.

This has proven to be successful for obvious reasons, and has helped stop future problems. I unfortunately have been unemployed or underemployed for the better part of 2 years now.




Sounds like the spendulus hasn't done jack shit if you can't find a job after two years.

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I worked in Real Estate related jobs, administrative stuff. Now that market is fucked. Thank you GOP!




Thank Carter and Clinton, as they were the architects of the CRA which was the nexus of the housing bubble.

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I live with my parents so at least I am not out on the streets.




Much easier to bum off somebody else... if not the government, then why not your parents.  There are plenty of jobs out there.  Maybe not the dream job you always wanted, and you might *gasp* have to lower your standard of living, but there are jobs available for people that are willing to work.

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What i really want is to go back to making 10 bucks an hour or so full time. I need to get back on my feet and have no idea what to do anymore.




We are hiring full time waterfront lifeguards for $12.50/hr... again, jobs are available if you are willing to go outside of your comfort zone.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12801623 - 06/25/10 11:38 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

If they're unemployed (and have been for well over a year) how can anyone call them "workers".  They are more accurately called "not-workers".


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12801650 - 06/25/10 11:46 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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Cannabischarlie said:
The stimulus, part of which was unemployment benefits, stopped a lot of the problems associated with our recession and economic downturn and has been pretty much necessary due to the high unemployment rate and the simple fact that these problems only get worse.

This has proven to be successful for obvious reasons, and has helped stop future problems. I unfortunately have been unemployed or underemployed for the better part of 2 years now.

I myself used to be able to get a job in a month or two tops and generally used very little unemployment, if any.

Now I am out, having to fight for just a few weeks of state extended benefits that ended for EVERYONE here in Colorado on June 5th. I dont get those because of a decision made last year that postponed me for ten weeks (which was bad enough) and waited 4 fucking months for a decision that was not made in my favor (or rationally). At least I eventually got those benefits and they waived the two weeks i did get after becoming unemployed from having to be repaid, which would have been rather pointless since of course i eventually would have gotten them.

I did work one place part time that helped out, and offset unemployment a little while making somewhat more money. I am throwing them under the bus because they are at fault for the job separation, however I have to wait for a hearing because this sat on someones desk until i called to inquire what was taking so long, and then was rushed through without being looked at.

I worked in Real Estate related jobs, administrative stuff. Now that market is fucked. Thank you GOP!

I am now stuggling to find SOMETHING and getting the same old bullshit from places, I used to work good jobs and now I and plenty of Americans are getting absolutely nothing, and if I could find a job I would. I live with my parents so at least I am not out on the streets.

Tired of this shit, tired of struggling, and now I have to hear that the GOP has once again fucked over the American worker and that I have to deal with possibly not even getting a few weeks of benefits, on top of being blindsided about not even getting the meager unemployment benefits that where keeping my head above water.

I really just want a decent job that is stable and is at least part time. What i really want is to go back to making 10 bucks an hour or so full time. I need to get back on my feet and have no idea what to do anymore. I really hope the place I interviewed with through my friend wants to hire me when they get situated in their new place. It would be a great job.








Is this not schizophrenic?

If you want government to "help" and solve problems you are in for some serious disillusionment.

They broke the economy.  They will not fix it or help you beyond anything temporary that will only make the long term situation worse.


Something for nothing will not fix anything.


Continued unemployment compensation will not help.

Find out how this all really happened and be safe.

Grow some food if you have access to a rural property.




Edited by Mr.Al (06/25/10 11:48 AM)


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12801653 - 06/25/10 11:47 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

From what I understand, the voting down of this bill will also end the tax cuts that were put in place in '01 and '03 since their renewal was included in the bill. Does anyone know if this is accurate?


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Redstorm]
    #12801666 - 06/25/10 11:50 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

The "rich" will get soaked for taxes...


Viva class warfare!

Rich and poor screaming at each other while the culprits "fix" the problems that they caused...


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12802380 - 06/25/10 02:25 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Mr. Al said:
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Grow some food if you have access to a rural property.



Even people in cities can grow vegetables in pots.  We are freezing and dehydrating vegetables and fruits now, and have a freezer full of chickens.  I think the government wants to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country.  My prediction is that the government will outlaw the raising of food or make it prohibitively expensive with fees, in the name of "safety".  But people need to keep on raising their own food no matter what the government does.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Seuss]
    #12802480 - 06/25/10 02:48 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Where do you get these delusions that trickle down socialism and "theres plenty of jobs" and all this comfort zone CRAP?

I have worked, did you even read that? First place I found was a restaurant run by a crook, he wasnt paying his trash bill, flies everywhere, was told by the health department to fix a water heater, we had no hot water to wash our hands or dishes, he was never there, and people who came after me and before me got paid less than the hours they where there for and I never got paid at all. (just tips)

I made more on unemployment, and my claim ended because I thought I would have to claim against it, so when I started working at Buca Di Beppo, I was working in a hostile workplace, 3 shifts a week and cut after 2 tables because the managers are dickwads. I should live on less than livable wage? thats bullshit. Hostile workplace!

Then when I was let go i got unemployment again. It allowed me to look for a reasonable and suitable job, and I did find something that paid 12 dollars an hour, and when it was realized that the guy I replaced "needed the money" and that the part time gal was just making her own hours and it seemed thats all they needed, this idiot run company let me go because I got sick for a couple of days.

Then much later i worked for another nutjob at a counter service Mexican restaurant. I and other male workers where subject to gender discrimination, i was recording my hours against unemployment but she was using harassing tactics and I am even filing with the Equal Opportunity Employment office. This nutjob would call me on a day that I wasnt scheduled to work and expect me to be available and on call to work at a moments notice, and working two shifts at seperate parts of the day but always being sent home early on the morning shift, and she lied more than she told the truth. Hostile workplaces for minimum wage.

Then i was hired on the spot at a fine dining restaurant chain. Was let go for trivial reasons. "You are a nice guy but this isnt a good fit" Why? Because most people who start there dont.

I apply to plenty of jobs, I go way outside my comfort zone. I get the run around from tons of places, i spend gas to go to interviews where no one even calls back.

Sorry, but theres tons of people who should be doing something else instead of managing some of these retail places, restaurants, etc, and people dont give a fuck about their employees. I should work in an overly stressful zone, where my job is continuously hung over my head and because the Bush Administration created a record low number of jobs, destroyed the economy, and now there is plenty of people having to do exactly what I am doing, trying to work jobs they are NOT suited for, not being able to pay for their house, their kids, their car, or anything else, and when i went from only using a month or two of unemployment to using YEARS worth of it, and being underemployed and stressed and not able to make ends meet, it makes me realize your crackpot economics dont work.

Look around. Theres not tons of jobs out there. The stimulus is working, and the reason the Banana Republicans want this to end is because its working. I haven't turned down ANYTHING. Yet people act like its the American Workers fault that millions are in this mess. I am sure a million people arent lazy lowlifes.

I go on a job interview today. Its in Real Estate. Wish me luck!


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: HippieChick8]
    #12802537 - 06/25/10 03:04 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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HippieChick8 said:
Mr. Al said:
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Grow some food if you have access to a rural property.



Even people in cities can grow vegetables in pots.  We are freezing and dehydrating vegetables and fruits now, and have a freezer full of chickens.  I think the government wants to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country.  My prediction is that the government will outlaw the raising of food or make it prohibitively expensive with fees, in the name of "safety".  But people need to keep on raising their own food no matter what the government does.




Already happening - watch CODEX and the poisonous, alleged "Food Safety Bill" - already trying to get it done....


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12803014 - 06/25/10 04:22 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Cannabischarlie said:
(just tips)




Look around. Theres not tons of jobs out there. The stimulus is working, and the reason the Banana Republicans want this to end is because its working.




If the stimulus is working then why aren't there tons of jobs.  Good fucking god when will stop blaming other people for how much you fail?
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I haven't turned down ANYTHING. Yet people act like its the American Workers fault that millions are in this mess. I am sure a million people arent lazy lowlifes.




There are tens of millions of lazy low lifes.  I'm staring to think I might be reading posts from some of them.
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I go on a job interview today. Its in Real Estate. Wish me luck!




Do you have a real estate license?  Or are you just a gopher?


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12803105 - 06/25/10 04:36 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Did any Democrats vote to end unemployment benefits or are you just assuming?  Washington is dominated by Democrats right now.  With your blatantly obvious wrong assumptions, there is obviously something wrong with your brain.  This must have something to do with your unemployment.  We need eugenic programs to stop people like you from reproducing.

ALSO STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA!!! IF YOU LOOK LIKE A SHIT FACED DOPE FIEND PEOPLE WON'T HIRE YOU.

Business Leader Slams 'Hostile' Policies on Jobs

By ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON And DARRELL A. HUGHES

WASHINGTON—Verizon Communications Inc. Chief Executive Ivan Seidenberg, current head of one of the nation's most influential business groups, slammed the Obama administration for decisions he said "create an increasingly hostile environment for investment and job creation."

In comments marking one of the sharpest breaks between top executives and the Obama White House, Mr. Seidenberg used a speech at Washington's Economic Club to unleash a list of policy grievances over taxes, trade and financial regulation.

Mr. Seidenberg's comments are particularly notable because he heads the Business Roundtable, a group encompassing the chief executives of the nation's largest listed companies whose members have enjoyed frequent access to the president and his top aides. Its leaders have advised the White House on topics from economic recovery to health care to clean energy.

Where the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the other big business group in the capital, has been openly confrontational with the administration, the Roundtable has until now been reluctant to criticize its policies in public.

In his speech, Mr. Seidenberg praised the White House for soliciting advice from executives, saying afterward, "I've been invited to the White House for business purposes more times in the last year than in the previous 16."

But he urged the administration to "focus on the big goal," meaning job growth, "and stop trying to micromanage industries."

He characterized the U.S. corporate-tax structure as "a major impediment to international competitiveness," citing administration efforts to raise taxes on foreign earnings and slow movement on a proposed overhaul of the U.S. corporate tax code.

On trade, he said, "we need to make sure the U.S. isn't a fly-over zone when it comes to international trade and foreign investment," citing slow movement on ratifying agreements with Colombia, Panama and South Korea amid concerns by labor groups and others.

He said the Roundtable supported revamping financial-market regulation but that "the current proposals … go a step too far, imposing one-size-fits-all solutions on highly dynamic and diverse businesses." He cited in particular moves to tighten rules on derivatives trading and to give shareholders a greater say in choosing company directors.

White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said businesses would be helped by the administration's policies, including its overhaul of the health-care system and promotion of clean energy. "The president has consistently pursued policies designed to create a better climate for American businesses in order to foster job creation, innovation and economic growth," she said.

Mr. Seidenberg's criticism reflects disappointment among the Roundtable's members with both the positions the administration has taken and the way the White House has dealt with business leaders' concerns.

Mr. Seidenberg said the administration and the nation's biggest businesses—Roundtable companies pay 60% of U.S. corporate taxes and employ 12 million people— should be working more closely on efforts to bring the nation out of recession. Even though Roundtable leaders are frequently invited to meetings with the president, many feel their advice on jobs and growth too often fails to translate into policy.

Instead, he complained that "by reaching into virtually every sector of economic life, government is injecting uncertainty into the marketplace and making it harder to raise capital and create new businesses."

The Roundtable and the White House clashed during the health-care debate over whether new rules would force companies to take big charges. Administration officials later expressed surprise when companies including Caterpillar Inc. and AT&T Inc. said they had to take write-downs to cover the costs.

Mr. Seidenberg said that at the request of the White House, business leaders have prepared a report detailing "hundreds of separate actions and decisions" that stifle manufacturing, innovation and job growth. The report was sent this week to outgoing White House budget director Peter Orszag, and was released by the group Tuesday.

The report was compiled in concert with the Business Council, an industry group chiefly comprising manufacturing companies. The Council's chairman, Caterpillar Chief Executive James W. Owens, has been critical of the administration's health-care legislation, saying it has resulted in increased costs for businesses struggling to emerge from recession.

"I completely agree with what Ivan was saying about how the government needs to be removing itself from the private sector," said Roundtable member Dan DiMicco, chief executive of steelmaker Nucor Corp. "For a long time they worked through diplomacy, negotiation and compromise. But the crisis we're in today is of such magnitude that we have to have action in support of the private sector in a bold and out-front manner."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704853404575322931249166908.html


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: curenado]
    #12803683 - 06/25/10 06:32 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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curenado said:
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HippieChick8 said:
Mr. Al said:
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Grow some food if you have access to a rural property.



Even people in cities can grow vegetables in pots.  We are freezing and dehydrating vegetables and fruits now, and have a freezer full of chickens.  I think the government wants to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country.  My prediction is that the government will outlaw the raising of food or make it prohibitively expensive with fees, in the name of "safety".  But people need to keep on raising their own food no matter what the government does.




Already happening - watch CODEX and the poisonous, alleged "Food Safety Bill" - already trying to get it done....




Have you read that bill? I'm not sure it states what you think it does.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12803739 - 06/25/10 06:42 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

The Senate vote was 57-41, how did the Republican minority "kill unemployment aid"?.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: despisedicon]
    #12803925 - 06/25/10 07:24 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

That is what I was wondering.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #12805071 - 06/25/10 11:13 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

If you are trained in real-estate you should consider migrating to a large Canadian city. Real-estate is a large market with reasonable steady growth in Canada, nothing like what happened in the us will happen here. Smaller towns are subject to the volatility of their major industries but you could use that  as an "in" in the cases of recovery. Then you can always return to the states when they recover, or if you would prefer you may be allowed to stay.

Shit, I make $14 an hour + get lots of overtime at my non-union job,with good worker safety and appreciation protocols to boot. That's just for unskilled work, If I find a job using my training I will make over $20 an hour. Too bad i am so busy working over time and moving I've often forget to look for those jobs.

Apply for a workers visa, sure as shit is probibly better than living in the US. But whatever you do, don't let Americans figure out that all these "socialist hellholes" are actually great places to live and work, nobody anywhere in such countries wants to be swamped with skilled/unskilled Americans competing for work. Then there would be actually having to live with them, no offense meant to you, but some Americans are total fucking douchebags. Thank god american media is so full of anti-Canadian propaganda which appeals almost specifically to them.


On the other hand if you have access to agricultural land I really think you should just grow drugs, seems to be the only worthwhile growth economy in the US.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: HippieChick8]
    #12805124 - 06/25/10 11:26 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Mr. Al said:
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Grow some food if you have access to a rural property.



Even people in cities can grow vegetables in pots.  We are freezing and dehydrating vegetables and fruits now, and have a freezer full of chickens.  I think the government wants to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country.  My prediction is that the government will outlaw the raising of food or make it prohibitively expensive with fees, in the name of "safety".  But people need to keep on raising their own food no matter what the government does.




Growing one's own food is a natural inalienable right, and a responsibility.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Redstorm]
    #12805604 - 06/26/10 01:46 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Redstorm said:
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curenado said:
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HippieChick8 said:
Mr. Al said:
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Grow some food if you have access to a rural property.



Even people in cities can grow vegetables in pots.  We are freezing and dehydrating vegetables and fruits now, and have a freezer full of chickens.  I think the government wants to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country.  My prediction is that the government will outlaw the raising of food or make it prohibitively expensive with fees, in the name of "safety".  But people need to keep on raising their own food no matter what the government does.




Already happening - watch CODEX and the poisonous, alleged "Food Safety Bill" - already trying to get it done....




Have you read that bill? I'm not sure it states what you think it does.




Don't worry, the government would not write a bill that would (intentionally or unintentionally) harm you and yours.:sun:

It is the same with the money supply, they are looking out for your best interests when prices by far outpace the growth of wages!

It is to improve your work ethic comrade!:cheers:


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12806813 - 06/26/10 10:26 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Don't worry, the government would not write a bill that would (intentionally or unintentionally) harm you and yours.:sun:

It is the same with the money supply, they are looking out for your best interests when prices by far outpace the growth of wages!

It is to improve your work ethic comrade!:cheers:




Nice bit of rhetoric. Was there a point to your post? I think you could have looked up the law and find the supposed part which makes it illegal to grow your own plants and then return here and post it more quickly than it took you to put together that idiotic drivel.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Redstorm]
    #12808051 - 06/26/10 04:25 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Was there a point to your post?




It appears to me he was being facetious.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12814765 - 06/27/10 11:36 PM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: despisedicon]
    #12815721 - 06/28/10 02:13 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

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The Senate vote was 57-41, how did the Republican minority "kill unemployment aid"?.




fucktard dino's.  that's how.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
    #12816520 - 06/28/10 07:18 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

> Is CannabisCharlie the same as ...

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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Redstorm]
    #12822321 - 06/29/10 10:51 AM (10 years, 14 days ago)

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Don't worry, the government would not write a bill that would (intentionally or unintentionally) harm you and yours.:sun:

It is the same with the money supply, they are looking out for your best interests when prices by far outpace the growth of wages!

It is to improve your work ethic comrade!:cheers:




Nice bit of rhetoric. Was there a point to your post? I think you could have looked up the law and find the supposed part which makes it illegal to grow your own plants and then return here and post it more quickly than it took you to put together that idiotic drivel.





This is (part of) why it is important to emphasize that the United States is a Republic:

The individual is recognized as a sovereign entity in a republic and as such laws like "Food Safety Bill" or "Patriot Act" would not stand a chance.

Democracies are really a means of abusing sovereign individuals for the betterment of the godless state.

Comprende comrade?


My central point here is that any small child who questions why things are more expensive now than when Daddy was his age is righteously concerned.

Inflation of the money supply confers no real social benefit Murray N. Rothbard.

Such a statement can not rationally be contended with.

Children are concerned about (the effects of) inflation of the money supply because they have not become totally socially conditioned.

Since government allocates resources less efficiently than the individual rampant expansion of government benefits the government (in terms of increases in power & wealth) at the expense of the individuals.

This is why it is incredibly naive for any individual to trust that big government is looking out for his interests.



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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12828763 - 06/30/10 03:23 PM (10 years, 12 days ago)

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Since government allocates resources less efficiently than the individual rampant expansion of government benefits the government (in terms of increases in power & wealth) at the expense of the individuals.





Inefficiencies abound in all organized systems.  You make it sound like government is the only wasteful entity.  In some places they are better, in others they are worse, compared to private organizations.  At least with governments you can vote people out of office, assuming no election fraud (eg., diebold). Not so with large corporations.

More importantly, reducing the purpose of government to efficiency is naive because that is not the only goal for which organizations strive.  There are other equally if not more important goals towards which organizations strategically coordinate. Credit default swaps are a prime example of a system operating against the greater good. Safety nets such as fire departments, stop lights, social security and medicare are concrete examples where having to choose between efficiency and safety is a false dichotomy.  You choose the safety net, first, and then do your best to make it as efficient as possible, understanding that PERFECT SHOULD NOT GET IN THE WAY OF THE GOOD.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: shubrick]
    #12833331 - 07/01/10 09:26 AM (10 years, 12 days ago)

There are very particular reasons why businesses are more efficient than government:

1. The threat of bankruptcy: 

Any business that operates through a protracted period in the red is in danger of becoming insolvent.  If the market will not lend it money because it is far too risky there is the moral hazard of a government/central banker bailout of said business.  Bankruptcy for government is a sovereign debt crisis that wreaks the economy of the nation. 

2.  Competition: 

Businesses must strive to produce better goods & services more cheaply and with better customer service otherwise competition will wipe them out.  Some businesses do produce things at or near monopoly level because of economy of scale or other serious market advantages but this does not necessarily harm their customers.   A trip to your local R.M.V. will prove this point.  Often R.M.V. employees are nasty to people because they know that they have no competition.

3.  It is always easier to spend money that belongs to someone else:

Politicians are much like valley girls on a shopping spree with no limit credit cards from Daddy. 


Credit default swaps are not bad or detrimental to the economy as a whole.

Think of it as a market corrective instrument.  Naked credit default swaps specifically function as a means of making an educated bet against an entity that has grossly overextended itself financially.  Credit default swaps force the market correction to occur before the imbalances in the system cause more trouble later!


Governments and their central banker allies rail against credit default swaps and the corrective actions they cause because they expose the phony foundation that the economy is based upon...

I am speaking of course about bubble economics:  Keynesian economics.

Naked credit default swaps are a means the market uses to reallocate resources to burst a bubble caused by an artificial market.  They are not profitable unless said market correction needs to occur!


Social Security and medicare are unsustainable ponzi schemes which are symptomatic of an inflationary monetary policy.  Socialist programs are not the correct medicine for a socialist monetary policy, comrade!

Fire departments are o.k. but have you noticed the undue influence that unions have in them?!?!

Stop lights are o.k. but isn't it ridiculous to sit there and wait in the dead of night when there is no other vehicles around!?!?


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12851243 - 07/05/10 12:35 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Sounds like you are well versed in Friedman.  Good luck to you! :thumbup:


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: shubrick]
    #12851479 - 07/05/10 01:31 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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Democracies are really a means of abusing sovereign individuals for the betterment of the godless state.




that's why george bush was talking about spreading democracy in the middle east, abusing sovereign individuals for the betterment of a godless state. by the way isn't it hilarious that iraq is an islamic republic, exactly like iran, the difference is of course that there is no ruling theocratic class.

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nflation of the money supply confers no real social benefit Murray N. Rothbard.

Such a statement can not rationally be contended with.

Children are concerned about (the effects of) inflation of the money supply because they have not become totally socially conditioned.

Since government allocates resources less efficiently than the individual rampant expansion of government benefits the government (in terms of increases in power & wealth) at the expense of the individuals.

This is why it is incredibly naive for any individual to trust that big government is looking out for his interests.




the inflation of money allows lower interests rate for investment which leads to more employment. if the government did not constantly use inflation to keep unemployment low the south would rise again. though it might not just be the south.
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Businesses must strive to produce better goods & services more cheaply and with better customer service otherwise competition will wipe them out.  Some businesses do produce things at or near monopoly level because of economy of scale or other serious market advantages but this does not necessarily harm their customers.  A trip to your local R.M.V. will prove this point.  Often R.M.V. employees are nasty to people because they know that they have no competition.




how the hell wouldn't a monopoly allow a company to abuse their position to get better profits.
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3.  It is always easier to spend money that belongs to someone else:

Politicians are much like valley girls on a shopping spree with no limit credit cards from Daddy. 



if you believe in your republic you can vote people out, but you don't yet you want the system to continue. you probably believe stuff like there are a few rotten apples, well i disagree, the basket is rotten and it is a miracle if an apple is not rotten.
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am speaking of course about bubble economics:  Keynesian economics.



how is keynesian bubble economics, keynesianism want to increase spending during economic crisis to help society get together. keynesianism was abandoned due to the before unforeseen phenomenon of stagflation, which is stagnation and inflation at the same time.
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Social Security and medicare are unsustainable ponzi schemes which are symptomatic of an inflationary monetary policy.  Socialist programs are not the correct medicine for a socialist monetary policy, comrade!



comrade! what socialist monetary policy are you talking about? do not confuse social-democracy and socialism. how the hell does social security have to do with inflation, if anything inflation keeps the need for social security lower by providing more employment.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12854154 - 07/06/10 12:25 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

i'm sorry to anyone that has had trouble finding a job...maybe its time to think of relocating to more business, more job friendly places...the trucking industry is usually good and if you dont have a criminal record you could get your hazmat endorsement on a commercial drivers license and get a job most anywhere in the united states--like tomorrow...politicians and new laws will not help you get a job...sadly you would like them to help you but its not helping...everything they are doing will only prolong this downturn further...they can prop the market up but only for so long and then it still needs to heal itself--thus prolonging the crap we have to go thru....those people that think that capitalism has failed have been lied to--true capitalism hasn't been around for a very, very long time.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12855283 - 07/06/10 08:47 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

Actually, in a real free market savings is what allows for a lower interest rate.  That part of why a free market is referred to as being self regulating.  If there is relatively little savings in a free market you would see higher interest rates as a means for lenders to attract capital.  Examining the recent housing boom and bust that has occurred in MANY different countries recently it is easy to see that interest rates were artificially low.  By that I mean that the absurdly low interest rates did not match the reality of the fact that capital was relatively scarce!

A company that is in a monopoly market position because of a market advantage like economy of scale would potentially not be disadvantageous to the buying public.  A hypothetical example would be a company that was the singular earth business that mines the Kuiper belt...  Don't forget that it is the insane profit potential of a monopoly position that attracts competition!


The Keynesian idea of massive government spending and  debt accumulation during an economic downturn is bubble economics precisely.  Prices will adjust throughout the economy and there will be a net loss in economic productivity because government spends wastefully compared to the private sector it is parasitising!


If you are looking for a better remedy I recommend President Harding's strategy which ended a depression in one year by cutting government in half.



As far as socialist monetary policy is concerned I refer you to Karl Marx's Fifth Plank of his Communist Manifesto....

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/527454


Fifth Plank: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

(The Federal Reserve Bank, 1913- -the system of privately-owned Federal Reserve banks which maintain a monopoly on the valueless debt "money" in circulation.)


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: despisedicon]
    #12855482 - 07/06/10 10:35 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

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The Senate vote was 57-41, how did the Republican minority "kill unemployment aid"?.





Easy.

Sadly, majority doesn't rule.  Anyone who knows anything about the process knows it takes 60 votes to end a filibuster by the opposing side.  The Dems don't have 60 votes, thus the Republicans who are sworn to make Obama's presidency a failure are allowed to win.  They're sacrificing our health, welfare, and jobs for political gain, or so they assume.  Now, lest the right-wingers jump on my use of the word 'welfare', let's be clear that I'm talking about 'wellness', not a government program to hand money to those too lazy to work that was ended years ago.

Over 8 million jobs have been lost in this depression.  It's going to take a LOT more than a 'stimulus' bill to get those jobs back, and it's going to take a lot more than $12.50/hour to get people to be able to afford to move their families across the country to take those jobs. 

People who are out of work right now are not out of work because they're lazy.  Unless we can 'undo' the damage caused by over a decade of factories, call centers, and engineering/high tek industries leaving the country in search of cheap wages, only to import their products back here to sell, this problem is permanent.  If the American people want to see America strong again, they had damn well better start buying American made products, and local products whenever possible.
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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12855589 - 07/06/10 11:21 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

> Sadly, majority doesn't rule

This is a good thing, not bad.  Majority rule usually ends up with small minorities being unrepresented as their voice is irrelevant.

> ver 8 million jobs have been lost in this depression.  It's going to take a LOT more than a 'stimulus' bill to get those jobs back

I would agree with you here.  Obama's 'spendulus' bill was pointless and has had no real lasting effect towards helping end the problems.  It was designed to pad the pockets of bankers, financial companies, federal/state employees, and unions while ignoring the painful fixes required to end the depression.

> People who are out of work right now are not out of work because they're lazy.

Some are, some aren't.  I know people that are out of work and are not bothering to look for it because they have been getting by on unemployment and their unemployment benefits keep getting extended.

> Unless we can 'undo' the damage caused by over a decade of factories, call centers, and engineering/high tek industries leaving the country in search of cheap wages, only to import their products back here to sell, this problem is permanent.

Again, I agree with you, at least partially.  Outsourcing is certainly a large problem, but it is hard to blame a company for outsourcing when local labor has gotten to be insanely expensive.  Other problems include a focus by investors on short term profits (and the insane bonuses that go with them) rather than the long term stability of a company.  A lot of the problems we face are associated with greed... by management, by labor, by investors, and by bankers.  People have been raised to believe that they deserve much more than they are worth, regardless of where they fit into the pie.  Because of this, coupled with slimy politicians, the country is going bankrupt.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Seuss]
    #12855742 - 07/06/10 12:06 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

I think you make a good argument.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #12855849 - 07/06/10 12:41 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

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Sadly, majority doesn't rule. 




correct, the reason our elected reps voted against the will of their constituents and voted for the health insurance reform bill because
minority obviously rules... oh wait, they had the majority then too


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They're sacrificing our health, welfare, and jobs for political gain, or so they assume.  Now, lest the right-wingers jump on my use of the word 'welfare', let's be clear that I'm talking about 'wellness', not a government program to hand money to those too lazy to work that was ended years ago.





ended, no... renamed to make it sound more pleasant and politically correct, yes... it's now known as TANF, Temporary Assistance for Needy
Families, only it's not temporary because it's renewed periodically and
it's welfare no matter what you call it

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Over 8 million jobs have been lost in this depression.  It's going to take a LOT more than a 'stimulus' bill to get those jobs back,




so why is obama trying to push another stimulus bill instead of pulling
jobs out of his ass like he promised, I mean the first one didnt make
the democrats wealthy enough so he needs another to pad his bank account
more for  his retirement or something

and it's going to take a lot more than $12.50/hour to get people to be able to afford to move their families across the country to take those jobs. 

People who are out of work right now are not out of work because they're lazy.  Unless we can 'undo' the damage caused by over a decade of factories, call centers, and engineering/high tek industries leaving the country in search of cheap wages, only to import their products back here to sell, this problem is permanent.  If the American people want to see America strong again, they had damn well better start buying American made products, and local products whenever possible.
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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12876953 - 07/10/10 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

There is too much red tape when it comes to starting businesses in America.  The costs to hire new employees is staggering.


Cut payroll taxes, end the healthcare mandate, cut entitlements, cut useless overpaid (and non productive)  government jobs.

Cut the federal government into no more than a quarter of it's present size.

I am all for ending the federal reserve too, but sadly that may not happen until the dollar tanks completely.:frown:


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12877328 - 07/10/10 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

The whole employer tax reporting thing is a complete fiasco costing the country billions of dollars a year in lost productivity.  The only thing an employer should have to report is the total annual compensation paid to the employee.  Let the employee then file his own fucking taxes.  He still has to do it anyway.

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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12877634 - 07/10/10 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Have you ever stopped and considered the idea that many politicians simply hate the private market and thus seek to control and interfere with it's operation?

Central economic planning and banking does not work, nor does it allow the private sector to be productive.

You have legitimate grievances about employer tax obligations.  Why do you continue to support the state's ability to manipulate the economy into ruin?

It didn't work so well in the U.S.S.R.  Why would central economic planning with an increasingly thin veneer of capitalism work indefinitely here?

The failures in our economy are from the state, not the marketplace.  The state is running the economy into the ground!


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12878668 - 07/10/10 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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It didn't work so well in the U.S.S.R.  Why would central economic planning with an increasingly thin veneer of capitalism work indefinitely here?




how did it fail so bad? the point of such a centralized economy is to have no crisis or depression. it also returned to a profit based economy around the 50-60s after stalin's death. most of the good economically speaking times of the soviet union was before the war. russia become a world superpower even if germany and it bore the brunt of the war. it is true it couldn't compete with capitalism economically, but it never wanted to, how can you surpass so easily a system that is already in place which has years of experience behind it, a stable economy so that workers never starve under depressions, a strong education so that there is an emphasis on technology so that it may improve the quality of life and not simply be for profit and fire workers. those are the goals of the soviet system.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12879158 - 07/10/10 08:29 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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Have you ever stopped and considered the idea that many politicians simply hate the private market and thus seek to control and interfere with it's operation?




Yes.  We have one in the White House right now.  We have had many in the Congress since the nation's founding.  Current high profile idiots include Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.
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Central economic planning and banking does not work, nor does it allow the private sector to be productive.




The private sector has flourished quite nicely up until the last go round of government meddling (Fannie Fredie CRA).  Central banking is not the problem.
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You have legitimate grievances about employer tax obligations.  Why do you continue to support the state's ability to manipulate the economy into ruin?




I don't.  I do not agree with you about just which meddlesome activities are the problem.  You see a demon in the Federal Reserve.  I do not.  In fact, I think you're single-minded obsession with it blinds you to the real problems, none of which will go away if either the Fed is abolished or a gold standard adopted. 
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It didn't work so well in the U.S.S.R.  Why would central economic planning with an increasingly thin veneer of capitalism work indefinitely here?




Spare me.  Central banking is not communism.  You have some strange notions.
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The failures in our economy are from the state, not the marketplace.  The state is running the economy into the ground!




Yes it is, but not in the way you purport.  For instance, adopting a gold standard won't eliminate the ability of the morons to suspend essential drilling activity in the Gulf nor will it remove the odious and job killing health care abortion.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12882552 - 07/11/10 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

The Saudis broke the USSR, not the US. Grossly Fluctuating Oil prices (Russia's main export) made central planning fail not any inherent flaws in the strategy or superiority of whatever capitalist philosophies ideas or icons you may wish to credit as such.

Believe it or not capitalism is not pure free-market philosophy as some would like to say. Mercantilism is capitalism as well. Just like Syndicalism and central planning are still both socialism despite being radically different.

What I'd like to see is where exactly is the proof that free market is always better than state run buisness. In canada our state run post system is basically equivalent to the market run one when it comes to delivering packages and it's radically better with mail. Where I live the whole province was serviced by a single crown corporation that installed much of the telephone inferstructure. The company was privatized and the market opened up, now widely diverse market (cell phones, internet, cable, phone) however the company that used to be the state company had outsourced everything but the most core services and hollowed out the corporation while keeping the highest prices in the industry. That's after being privatized. So, it seems like maybe this notion runs counter to what I've observed.

I'm not the only one though, a large body of people studding on the border of psychology and economics, challenge the notions of rational economic man. I've red more than a few Economists who believe in infant industry protection in these modern times and they all have data/experiments or in the case of the later actual case by case historical economic examples.

So please, the next time you want to declare that the free market leads to the best possible outcome for the customer or whatever fucking neo-liberal nonsense you are about to utter along that line, I'm gonna demand some proof.
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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12883027 - 07/11/10 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Using one problem to associate the fall of the USSR is pretty stupid.  Also, (laugh out loud), part of Reagan's strategy was  was to meet with the Saudis to get them to play into U.S. hands to help them collapse the USSR using oil. So how does your theory go now?  The Soviets fell due to a number of factors.  Debt, planning, socialism fails, political corruption, trying to play keep up in terms of military might.  Probably a number of other factors I'm missing as well.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12886139 - 07/12/10 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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The Saudis broke the USSR, not the US. Grossly Fluctuating Oil prices (Russia's main export) made central planning fail not any inherent flaws in the strategy or superiority of whatever capitalist philosophies ideas or icons you may wish to credit as such.




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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12886722 - 07/12/10 01:17 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

they falled cause of gorbachev being a stupid asshole who wanted the ussr to be just like the usa in term of consumer good, something which was impossible. he was like krutchev ( which i can never figure out how to type.
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The Saudis broke the USSR, not the US. Grossly Fluctuating Oil prices (Russia's main export) made central planning fail not any inherent flaws in the strategy or superiority of whatever capitalist philosophies ideas or icons you may wish to credit as such.




:rofl2:

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gee can you tell us the reason mr.soviet specialist? the price of oil was a major problem for the ussr. by the way you know that saudi arabia is an ally of the usa just as much as israel. so it wouldn't be a surprise if there was a major CONSPIRACY behind it.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12887707 - 07/12/10 05:04 PM (10 years, 22 hours ago)

More glorious nonsense. 

Actually it was the Soviet People who wanted to be more like the US, not Gorbachev or Kruschev.  How you gonna keep on the farm once they've seen Paree?.

Wildly fluctuating oil prices controlled by Saudi Arabia.  Nothing whatsoever to do with buyers and such.  And just when did SA become chums with the US keeping oil prices low for our benefit.  I seem to recall that they did quite the opposite as part of a group known as OPEC.  They didn't quite get so palsy walsy with the US until they needed us just a bit to keep Saddam out of their kitchen.  At any rate, that is hardly enough to bring down the mighty Soviet.  Hell, they were so huge they shouldn't have needed any trade at all.  Keep it all home, Komrade..


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
    #12888125 - 07/12/10 06:10 PM (10 years, 21 hours ago)

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STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA!!! IF YOU LOOK LIKE A SHIT FACED DOPE FIEND PEOPLE WON'T HIRE YOU.







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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: mycoprog]
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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: mycoprog]
    #12888792 - 07/12/10 08:14 PM (10 years, 19 hours ago)

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STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA!!! IF YOU LOOK LIKE A SHIT FACED DOPE FIEND PEOPLE WON'T HIRE YOU.







wow. no wonder you opted out of ratings.

me thinks you've come to the wrong place.



Despite the unpopularity of what he says he is 100% correct.  Unless you want a career as a clerk in a headshop it would behoove you to pretend to be a square.  And smoking reefer regularly will not do you any good no matter what your spirit animal tells you in the middle of the night.

For the life of me I can't understand the appeal, beyond social approval, of marijuana.  It's a shitty high, it produces a tell tale smell and makes users boring (except to other users discussing the arcana of various strains of mediocre highs).  It really is a limp dick drug.  This is, after all, The Shroomery, and not the Whimpery.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12888814 - 07/12/10 08:19 PM (10 years, 18 hours ago)

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STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA!!! IF YOU LOOK LIKE A SHIT FACED DOPE FIEND PEOPLE WON'T HIRE YOU.







wow. no wonder you opted out of ratings.

me thinks you've come to the wrong place.



Despite the unpopularity of what he says he is 100% correct.  Unless you want a career as a clerk in a headshop it would behoove you to pretend to be a square.  And smoking reefer regularly will not do you any good no matter what your spirit animal tells you in the middle of the night.


I know lots of people who have decent jobs and smoke weed regularly.



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For the life of me I can't understand the appeal, beyond social approval, of marijuana.  It's a shitty high...


Some people, including myself, don't feel like it's a shitty high or do it for social approval.



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...it produces a tell tale smell and makes users boring (except to other users discussing the arcana of various strains of mediocre highs).  It really is a limp dick drug.


I like the smell, and it makes life more fun to me. :shrug:

I don't see why you call it a limp dick drug, or that it's for wimps...:undecided:


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12888898 - 07/12/10 08:37 PM (10 years, 18 hours ago)

Pretty much everyone i know who smokes weed on a regular basis hardly resembles a "SHIT FACED DOPE FIEND PEOPLE WON'T HIRE"

and i know many a pot head.

perhaps you've mistaken this with alcoholics/crack heads/actual dope fiends?


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    #12888920 - 07/12/10 08:41 PM (10 years, 18 hours ago)

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STOP SMOKING MARIJUANA!!! IF YOU LOOK LIKE A SHIT FACED DOPE FIEND PEOPLE WON'T HIRE YOU.







wow. no wonder you opted out of ratings.

me thinks you've come to the wrong place.



Despite the unpopularity of what he says he is 100% correct.  Unless you want a career as a clerk in a headshop it would behoove you to pretend to be a square.  And smoking reefer regularly will not do you any good no matter what your spirit animal tells you in the middle of the night.


I know lots of people who have decent jobs and smoke weed regularly.




At my age (53)I do not.  Everybody who smokes reefer regularly has had his career retarded seriously.  All of them.
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For the life of me I can't understand the appeal, beyond social approval, of marijuana.  It's a shitty high...


Some people, including myself, don't feel like it's a shitty high or do it for social approval.




That's too bad.  It's a shitty high.
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...it produces a tell tale smell and makes users boring (except to other users discussing the arcana of various strains of mediocre highs).  It really is a limp dick drug.


I like the smell, and it makes life more fun to me. :shrug:

I don't see why you call it a limp dick drug, or that it's for wimps...:undecided:




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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12888945 - 07/12/10 08:45 PM (10 years, 18 hours ago)

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At my age (53)I do not.  Everybody who smokes reefer regularly has had his career retarded seriously.  All of them.


I knew a lot of rich kids whose parents smoked weed and used other drugs regularly.




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Some people, including myself, don't feel like it's a shitty high or do it for social approval.



That's too bad.  It's a shitty high.


For you, maybe, but not for me.



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I don't see why you call it a limp dick drug, or that it's for wimps...:undecided:




Because it doesn't do shit.


Just because it doesn't do shit to you doesn't mean that all other people experience the same thing--to each their own, right? :shrug:


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12889067 - 07/12/10 09:09 PM (10 years, 18 hours ago)

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At my age (53)I do not.  Everybody who smokes reefer regularly has had his career retarded seriously.  All of them.





that is one bold ass statement dude.:confused:

i personally know someone who is at the top of the food chain with Rolls Royce(the jet engine division) and he not only smokes religiously every day but also grows some of the best dank i've personally had the privilege to taste. He makes well over 200k a year and seems to be as unhindered by his personal preferences as they come. so yeah, nt tho.

if that's a prime example of career retardation by means of smoking pot, then please, wipe my ass and call me "short bus", because i totally fucking aspire to this "retarded" lifestyle. derp derp.

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edit: i wonder, what kind of weed have you tried if you think the high is so shitty? yeah sure, there is some shitty weed out there, plenty of it, but there is also some wonderfully potent smoke that will wreck your ass if your aren't careful. Also, What substances, if any, do you consider lacking of this shitty quality?


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: mycoprog]
    #12891310 - 07/13/10 07:10 AM (10 years, 8 hours ago)

> edit: i wonder, what kind of weed have you tried if you think the high is so shitty?

Does it really matter?  Some people don't like to be high.  Some people don't like to be drunk.  Why should everybody have to enjoy what you enjoy?  As long as nobody is restricting what you can do to yourself, you shouldn't really care.  Zappa is anti-prohibition.  Beyond that, does it matter if he enjoys or dislikes using drugs?


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12891813 - 07/13/10 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 hours ago)

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At my age (53)I do not.  Everybody who smokes reefer regularly has had his career retarded seriously.  All of them.




Sorry but I've smoked since I was 13. I'll be 53 this month. I have all the worldly goods a man (or several) could hope for. I pay more in taxes each year than most people make in 3 years. That's not my idea of a retarded career.



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That's too bad.  It's a shitty high.




Again I must disagree. I enjoy the high.



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    #12891865 - 07/13/10 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 hours ago)

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> edit: i wonder, what kind of weed have you tried if you think the high is so shitty?

Does it really matter?  Some people don't like to be high.  Some people don't like to be drunk.  Why should everybody have to enjoy what you enjoy?  As long as nobody is restricting what you can do to yourself, you shouldn't really care.  Zappa is anti-prohibition.  Beyond that, does it matter if he enjoys or dislikes using drugs?





yes, for someone to know what a shitty high is, then they must have something on the opposite side of the spectrum to compare that experience with. i was only curious as to what he deems a quality buzz.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: mycoprog]
    #12893395 - 07/13/10 05:22 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

This is, after all, the Shroomery.:cool:  Plus pretty much everything else. 
To everybody who posted that there are people who smoke pot and aren't total losers you missed a key word.  "Regularly".  And by that I mean every day.  If you smoke pot every day and have somehow managed not to be fucked up, you are the exception.  I do not know one single person who smokes a lot of pot who has ever amounted to anything and I know a lot of people who smoke a lot of pot.

And it's a wimpy drug, for sure.  I have smoked some top notch dope and thought, yeah, yipee, big fucking deal.  If you're going to get high, get high and make an occasion out of it.  It shouldn't be a casual daily routine.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12893552 - 07/13/10 06:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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At my age (53)I do not.  Everybody who smokes reefer regularly has had his career retarded seriously.  All of them.




Sorry but I've smoked since I was 13. I'll be 53 this month. I have all the worldly goods a man (or several) could hope for. I pay more in taxes each year than most people make in 3 years. That's not my idea of a retarded career.





sounds pretty shitty to me if you have to pay all that out to support a bunch of bums :smirk:


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    #12893726 - 07/13/10 06:36 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds shitty to me, too.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12893749 - 07/13/10 06:41 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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If you smoke pot every day and have somehow managed not to be fucked up, you are the exception.




I am exceptional. Did you ever doubt it?.



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I do not know one single person who smokes a lot of pot who has ever amounted to anything and I know a lot of people who smoke a lot of pot.




Yes you do. While you do not know me in the biblical sense (and never will), you know me in the Shroomery sense. That alone must count for.............. something?




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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12893769 - 07/13/10 06:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

And it's close enough to daily that there's little difference. I just handle it well.

By "handle it" I am of course referring to my pot usage and my cock.


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    #12894212 - 07/13/10 08:13 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

well i personally dont give a shit what high people like...i'm not a big fan of the shroom high yet here i am...honestly when i did drugs i preferred uppers and definately not blow which is a waste of time, but to each his own


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    #12900053 - 07/14/10 10:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Actually it was the Soviet People who wanted to be more like the US, not Gorbachev or Kruschev




hm yes and no , yeltsin was elected for the presidency of the russian territory and subsequently made a coup and then started an election which he won with heavy financial backing.

gorbachev was a social-democrat. most of the russian population was attracted to capitalism because it was at a higher standard of living, this is called cultural imperialism, just like why canada has so many american movies in theatre and american song on the radio. fact is, people wanted all the benefits of the soviet state with the benefit of being a capitalist state, more and better consumer goods, higher wages etc. they didn't get both, they are now starting to have those consumer good and high wages and still don't have the priviledge from the soviet states. most people living in the former communist country who milited for capitalism are deceived of what happened, some want to go back some don't. why was there an old guy complaining that they have no job and are reduced to begging in the movie 'goodbye lenin'.


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    #12903970 - 07/15/10 08:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

are you fucking kidding me that people from the former soviet states want to go back to communism under soviet control??? i personally know people in estonia(family) and i can tell you that nobody wants to go back to that...maybe the russians do, because why wouldn't they...to control all the surrounding countries and take THEIR labor for russias good


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: mycoprog]
    #12904218 - 07/15/10 09:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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wow. no wonder you opted out of ratings.

me thinks you've come to the wrong place.





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    #12904228 - 07/15/10 09:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Plus the fact that many people think you're a little off.


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    #12904252 - 07/15/10 09:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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    #12904628 - 07/15/10 10:59 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Off me bloomin' trolly.  Is that it then?





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Off me bloomin' trolly.  Is that it then?





Well that's others opinion. Mine is much stronger.





Just don't respond to him. There are a few here I don't bother with as I find discussing things with mental midgets to be a waste of time.

I could use the ignore button but I find that to be an astonishingly weak, pussy move.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12906153 - 07/16/10 10:38 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I like to respond to him on occasion. Just like I often like to point out the ugly shit in the world. I could ignore it. I often ignore it. Sometimes I don't want to ignore it.:shrug:


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Icelander]
    #12929982 - 07/21/10 02:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Keiley said recently moved to Colorado after he was laid off from his paramedic job in Illinois.




See why don't those lazy bastards just travel all the way around the country to take a minimum wage job that doesn't use their professional skills. Just because this whole incident was caused by bankers who are in many cases still swimming in money is no excuse for people to be mad or expect the support of the government that misguidedly allowed such actions from the banks.
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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12929992 - 07/21/10 02:36 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It was caused by bums not paying back the money they borrowed.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #12931365 - 07/21/10 07:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

You smoke dope, have a chemical lobotomy, believe in man made global warming, support Obama and suck donkey dicks.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
    #12931433 - 07/21/10 07:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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are you fucking kidding me that people from the former soviet states want to go back to communism under soviet control??? i personally know people in estonia(family) and i can tell you that nobody wants to go back to that...maybe the russians do, because why wouldn't they...to control all the surrounding countries and take THEIR labor for russias good




i never said they want to, most of russian citizens want to keep capitalist russia now that putin is in power and is a strong figure which brought back stability. yes i know most of eastern europe or other countries like this are pretty hostile to communism including poland. but to say that all their labor only contributed to russia's good is bullshit . what happened is that  yes, russia more or less forced/pressured these countries to specialize themselves and in the long run it hurt them especially when the soviet union felled, for example cuba pretty much only produced sugar, and the united states still wouldn't lift the embargo.

what i meant is that most soviet citizens thought that they would keep all the priviledges of soviet life yet have higher wages and better access to western goods. one of the biggest scandal was that party members had special shops and a much better access to such goods than normal citizens, which greatly contributed to disillusion toward the socialist ideal.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12931820 - 07/21/10 08:49 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

you just said it--ideal...ideally socialism would work. in theory communism would work...the problem that all people who believe in utopianism like this is that ideally we would have great and benevolent leaders to lead us to a better life...it never happens...in the end government is not a utopian machine but a group of people controlling other people and the group in power ALWAYS looks out for their own good...i think the real problem when putting socialism/communism into practice, in the real world, is that it attracts leaders who treat their citizens like shit...it attracts these people...this ideology attracts people like mao, and hitler, and stalin...and che and castro for that matter...shitty fucking leaders...this shit about authoritarianism is like the drug war...oh our policies aren't working, well we need stronger policies...we need more government because what we have isn't working...the answer is always more, more, more, whether its drug warriors or politicians...when the fuck is everyone going to wake up and realize that they can't centrally fix problems thru government


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: libertarian23]
    #12931852 - 07/21/10 08:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

you misunderstand socialism and communism, under communism there is no leader, people take all decisions, they don't even elect people to make decision on their behalf. you cannot fix every problem with the free market.

and argh. hitler is not a socialist :smile:.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12932120 - 07/21/10 09:36 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Hitler disagrees with you.  From the bunker.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: communeart]
    #12934048 - 07/22/10 06:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

>> you misunderstand socialism and communism, under communism there is no leader
> Hitler disagrees with you.

As do Stalin and Lenin.  There is a world of difference between the reality of communism and the hypothetical/fictional "pure communism".  A stateless society will not work until greed is no longer part of human nature.  Good luck with that...


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Seuss]
    #12935298 - 07/22/10 02:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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A stateless society will not work until greed is no longer part of human nature.  Good luck with that...




A stateless society will not work until self-interest is no longer part of human nature. 



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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Phred]
    #12937082 - 07/22/10 08:35 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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A stateless society will not work until self-interest is no longer part of human nature.




You could say that about almost any society's dominant political ideology though. Self-interest aka corruption and profiteering run rampant and cause a lot of harm in modern capitalist democracies. I don't see how it's effect on an anarchist society would be much different. I mean some how putting a self interested crook in charge is supposed to make society "work," whatever the fuck that means. Sounds like a load of shit to me.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12939324 - 07/23/10 06:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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You could say that about almost any society's dominant political ideology though. Self-interest aka corruption and profiteering run rampant and cause a lot of harm in modern capitalist democracies.




Most modern governments have checks and balances in place to regulate the system, preventing or drastically reducing corruption and profiteering within the government (and society).

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I don't see how it's effect on an anarchist society would be much different.




Because in a stateless society it is up to the individual not to take advantage of others.  There is no system in place to prevent, or constrain, profiteering.

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I mean some how putting a self interested crook in charge is supposed to make society "work," whatever the fuck that means.  Sounds like a load of shit to me.




If you really believe it is a load of shit, then you should go live in Somalia, as close to a stateless society as we are going to find, for a few years and let us know if you see a difference between there and living in the US.  Modern governments are far from perfect, but they are much better than nothing.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Seuss]
    #12941466 - 07/23/10 04:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

First off, I'm sorry to see you are having difficulty. I've been there and it is hell.

My understanding was that the Republicans were blocking unemployment benefits, not because they had no desire to extend them, rather the issue is where the money is coming from.

Consistently, time and time again regardless of the party, our future as a nation has been robbed because we are borrowing money/add to our debt and not paying for what we need with the funds that are available.

What the Dems wanted (and did) do was pass the benefit by utilizing debt, the Republicans wanted to use the stimulus funds that were available - and not add even more debt.

Frankly, a good idea.

The nation needs to wake up and start doing what is right, not what is easy... and, unfortunately, that will cause a lot of pain on all fronts.

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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: Seuss]
    #12945463 - 07/24/10 02:58 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Most modern governments have checks and balances in place to regulate the system, preventing or drastically reducing corruption and profiteering within the government (and society).




Really? Because when I study resource economics I've seen a recurring theme, a corporations moves into exploiting a previously protected resource by collusion with the government and sometimes with monetary compensation to some officials. Then something bad happens, and people who care about the resource have to draw enough public attention and outcry to get anything done about it.

However, I think it's presumptuous of you to declare that there would be no checks or balances in a stateless society. Simply that they would have to come from social machinery and not that of state.

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I don't see how it's effect on an anarchist society would be much different.




Because in a stateless society it is up to the individual not to take advantage of others.  There is no system in place to prevent, or constrain, profiteering.




Yea I suppose working as a single individual would make it difficult, perhaps some sort of social structures where multiple individuals work towards common goals in ensuring that corruption and profiteering are not significant factors in social operation. Given that most current bodies in a lot of countries which do these things are already grossly corrupt, what is the worst thing that could happen?

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If you really believe it is a load of shit, then you should go live in Somalia, as close to a stateless society as we are going to find, for a few years and let us know if you see a difference between there and living in the US.  Modern governments are far from perfect, but they are much better than nothing.




Comparing Somalia to the US is an unfair comparison, the US is the most wealthy capitalist country in the world and Somalia is a country that has been embroiled in an almost two decade long civil war that has enveloped the country. When the US goes through two decades of civil war, then you can come back to the table with that comparison. There are many autonomous zones in the world and Somalia is not generally recognized to be one of them, probibly because the area is in fact run by the gangs who took power after the civil war and brutally so at that (so far as I can understand anyway).


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12957198 - 07/26/10 08:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

a stateless society will not work so long as we have people who wish to force THEIR will upon YOUR life without YOU wanting it....capitalism is not the solution for everything but it is the best way to allow people the most individual freedom and organize society


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: libertarian23]
    #12958054 - 07/26/10 10:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

How so, many people lack a lot of freedoms in capitalist societies?


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12958234 - 07/26/10 10:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

thats very very true...these societies are not freedom oriented...take america for example... a democratic society isn't a purely free society...the majority rules over the minority thru the popular vote...the less and less centrally planned a nation is in either the economy(ie regulation, laws protecting monopolies, anti-laissez faire legislation, laws to fix problems in the economy and then laws to fix the problems the laws created when they were trying to fix the economy the first time) or in social policy(ie gay rights, civil rights in general, the rights of people to their own bodies) the more individual freedom those people have...most societies that claim capitalism today are not capitalist nations but welfare nations with government supporting business in one way or another and we have seen how this creates booms and busts and booms and busts....farmers, housebuilders, developers, green technology, ethanol are just a few of the industries that have booms that either have or inevitably will bust because they are unsustainable fake values


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: libertarian23]
    #12958328 - 07/26/10 11:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

also scavenger the point you raised is a very good one in another aspect as well...my mother is economically liberal in the classical sense(meaning little government involvement), however her strong sense of religion makes her think that it is okay to inject those ideas into policy decisions by our leaders...i dont think that she would vote for someone who supports gay marriage, and i know she wouldn't support someone who would vote for drug legalisation...she would be a social conservative, like any other run of the mill republican...i started out my idealogical journey in high school, rebelling against my conservative parents and eating the whole marxist pie of ideology...i was a leftist and i thought that they were the way to freedom and then as i learned more, and heard more, i realized that these people just want to use the state to control and even everyone out...no rising stars outside of the political class; nothing...and then 9/11 happened and i swung way to the republican side of things and the way they inject religion into policy, and use patriotism like blind faith in god so long as its their guy in the white house(democrats do the same shit) pissed me off and i've pretty much found myself without a party to support...i love freedom--individual freedom...the more i have read on voluntaryism and capitalism i have realized that we haven't had pure capitalism in this country, ever.  Anarchism is spoken of poorly and it shouldn't be...anarchism is not chaos as many people think and many people use the word interjectively with chaos...much like liberals calling themselves liberals all the while doing everything they can to limit individual freedom....anarchism is merely the lack of a state...capitalism is the way a stateless society can best organise itself...you do what you want. so long as you dont hurt someone or infringe upon their property without permission its all golden


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: libertarian23]
    #12964783 - 07/28/10 01:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Firstly on freedom: The way that property is arranged and managed in society (currently on permanent ownership and bequeathment usually heredity as default) is not the only or the most right way for property ownership to work. It does not affect personal freedom. Any system that enforces one manner of property ownership over another is forcing those values into people's lives. The same way your mom forces christian values into her political judgments. So even a strictly libertarian society forces a strange set of social values onto people and further I've never heard a single reasoned argument as to why the fuck corporations wouldn't be able to tie courts up and abuse such a system at a rate that makes present corruption look Utopian in comparison.

If you are to remove barriers to freedom you must then remove the barrier to prevent transgressions. Otherwise you will empower one style of transgressor and disenfranchise another while simultaneously disenfranchising the victims of the empowered transgressor. If you do not allow people to take from those who swindle them around the laws you are then protecting the monied class above the serfs. This is not freedom it's just another type of order.


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Re: The Banana Republicans giving American workers the shaft by blocking unemployment benefits [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12968140 - 07/28/10 07:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Firstly on freedom: The way that property is arranged and managed in society (currently on permanent ownership and bequeathment usually heredity as default) is not the only or the most right way for property ownership to work. It does not affect personal freedom. Any system that enforces one manner of property ownership over another is forcing those values into people's lives.




what way is the right way for property ownership to work?  i dont understand this...if you work hard all your life, and gain lots of property(money included) to pass on to your kids and grandkids so that they might build upon that, whats so wrong about this way of property ownership?...and property ownership does affect personal freedom...if you dont have a right to your property whats the point in going out and making money to buy shit?  whats the alternative to this system? i seriously want to hear it.

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If you are to remove barriers to freedom you must then remove the barrier to prevent transgressions. Otherwise you will empower one style of transgressor and disenfranchise another while simultaneously disenfranchising the victims of the empowered transgressor. If you do not allow people to take from those who swindle them around the laws you are then protecting the monied class above the serfs. This is not freedom it's just another type of order.




i dont understand this, why must you remove barriers to prevent transgressions?  you mean allow transgressions to take place?  what the fuck does that have to do with freedom?  you have your rights, but you dont have the right to trample someone else's rights...swindling someone out of their money(property) is theft so i do not understand your entire post here...and if you don't think that communism or socialism or any other structured government doesn't favor the monied class above the serfs your out of your mind


i have another question for everyone: when speaking of incentives for politicians, if a set of politicians gains power on being the champions of the poor, supporting all sorts of social welfare programs and such, what incentive do they actually have to help people escape poverty?  wouldn't that be the end of their power?


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