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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: Noetical] * 1
    #12790653 - 06/23/10 01:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"dude, I like ate some mushrooms once, and now I totally have shamanic powers bro."

STFU and lay off the drugs


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: Cosmic]
    #12790858 - 06/23/10 02:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Enso said:
"dude, I like some mushrooms once, and now I totally have shamanic powers bro."

STFU and lay off the drugs




Good point, but you're an opt-out :shrug:


(just kidding) that is true though


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #12790919 - 06/23/10 02:38 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i have a hemp necklace and a shirt with graphics on it, therefore i am a shaman. amidoinitrite?


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: millzy]
    #12790931 - 06/23/10 02:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: morrowasted]
    #12790949 - 06/23/10 02:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hahaha, i was just thinking of that video. funny stuff.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: morrowasted]
    #12790970 - 06/23/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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ha ha funny shit


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: KillaFoRilla]
    #12790991 - 06/23/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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KillaFoRilla said:
I am not a spiritual advisor, nor are most of the folks around here. I don't think
too many of the people around here have spent any of their lives in villages getting
educated and trained by estranged "holy men/women" for the sole purpose of helping
others communicate with the spirit world or finding answers through spirituality.
These shamans spend most of their lives learning the ways of their people and getting
to know the tools of a shaman. It also seems to run in the family.

IMHO, in this day in age too many people are trying to label themselves as a spiritual
advisor. Doing drugs does not make you a shaman. This modern day new age shaman shit is
something hippie drug dealers tell themselves to feel better about it. Maybe all the drugs
are clouding their minds and things get a little too existential.

Lets be honest folks, we like our drugs. Lets leave it at that. Until you travel deep into
rain forest and spend years of your life learning the ways of a shaman, GTFO!




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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: deXtrous]
    #12791058 - 06/23/10 02:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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logic can't explain dreams?

i've had plenty of dreams that were just confusing as all hell..
but usually after thinking about them for awhile, you can see where they came from and why you had them.




Lol... I'm afraid you're missing the point completely.. Logic can't explain dreams themselves, but its good you can find some logic from your dreams :thumbup:. I certainly can't 99% of the time




:laugh2:

What do you call a shaman who cant interpret his own dreams.

FAIL SHAMAN :dielaughing:


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: niteowl]
    #12791375 - 06/23/10 03:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Check out and do a little bit of reading on this website if you are interested.

http://www.sacharuna.com/ceremony.html


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: LustfulLinsanity]
    #12791441 - 06/23/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

on a serious note, from what i understand about shamans, they aren't "taught" by anyone. in traditional societies, if your calling is to be a shaman you go off in the wilderness, sometimes for years, and ingest a lot of psychedelic plants, meditate and basically confront your own demons and teach yourself how to navigate on the spiritual plane and deal with its denizens. i'm sure there's some sort of mentoring in some cases, but to me you can't really teach someone how to be a shaman. people with this calling in life aren't made, they're born, imo.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: Great Scott]
    #12792226 - 06/23/10 06:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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What kind of shaman are we talking about here?
The shamans of the Amazon Basin are not articulate. They don't read books. And they don't spend half their lives on the internet.
They like to speak gibberish and their words are unintelligible half the time.
It is nothing at all like trip-sitting, often times THEY TAKE THE DRUG, NOT YOU. It allows them to enter into the "other world" and figure out what's wrong with you.
In society's standards, these shamans are bat shit crazy. Skitzo. Bonkers. Whatever you want to call it.
They spend a lot of time in seclusion and isolation. They are on the fringe. Everyone else in the tribe has a role to play, and contributes work towards basic survival needs.
Shamans don't do any of that. They pretty much do their own thing and rely on charity for much of their survival needs.
And why does it even matter trying to find out if you're "shamanic" or not.
Honestly, who gives a rats ass about that anyways?
If you were truly a Shaman, you wouldn't be asking. IMO





Although I respect and agree with some of your views, you cannot say that shamans do not play an important role in their society. The shaman is quite frankly one of the most important people in a tribe.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: deXtrous]
    #12792278 - 06/23/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think legitimate shamans really exist in the modern cultural landscape, and if they do they're rare as hell. Most of us are far too spiritually isolated due to the gigantic amount of assimilation and intermingling taking place to respect the powers of any shaman other than ourselves, and possibly the therapist, but he's more of a white-collar professional than a true "shaman."

We can still pursue shamanic endeavors and enjoy shamanic activities together, but if you show me a self-professed shaman I'll show you a quack.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #12792352 - 06/23/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I definitely think anybody could use drugs to become a shaman.  Terrence McKenna was pretty shamanic as far as I'm concerned. Drugs are just physical technologies that can be used to bring you to abnormal places in your mind/universe, which is basically what it means to say you visited the "spirit world." DMT or Psilocybin entities exist in your mind, but that doesn't mean they aren't also external entities.  At a certain point I believe the distinction between internal and external reality diminishes.

And though most heavy drug users who think they're shamans are probably retarded, combined with other spiritual practices psychedelics can certainly be used as part of a spiritual/mystical practice.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #12792412 - 06/23/10 06:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I agree. I have a circle of tripper buddies and we've developed somewhat of a mystic miniculture around our various tripping activities and observations. There are plenty of moments of shamanism, but all of us have them from time to time - no one of us would permanently be "the shaman," because when it comes down to it we're all essentially just kids, and if one of us tried to assume a position as leader or mentor it would just ruin the whole thing.

Besides, each of us has something to contribute to the mystical and spiritual development of the entire group - if we had a The Shaman it would severely gimp or probably destroy the mysticism we've developed by devaluing everything but that one person's particular talents.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #12792430 - 06/23/10 06:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yeah the only way to be a "shaman" is if you've done a drug way more than somebody else that you're taking it with.  Then you sort of help them through the trip.  Of course, many people have done this and don't call themselves 'shamans' cause they recognize the inherent ego-trip.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: g00ru]
    #12792445 - 06/23/10 06:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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guruu said:
Of course, many people have done this and don't call themselves 'shamans' cause they recognize the inherent ego-trip.




Right on. IMO in these times and in our society the role of shaman is a mantle that is worn temporarily and hopefully with responsibility and humility.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: danlennon3]
    #12792462 - 06/23/10 06:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
What kind of shaman are we talking about here?
The shamans of the Amazon Basin are not articulate. They don't read books. And they don't spend half their lives on the internet.
They like to speak gibberish and their words are unintelligible half the time.
It is nothing at all like trip-sitting, often times THEY TAKE THE DRUG, NOT YOU. It allows them to enter into the "other world" and figure out what's wrong with you.
In society's standards, these shamans are bat shit crazy. Skitzo. Bonkers. Whatever you want to call it.
They spend a lot of time in seclusion and isolation. They are on the fringe. Everyone else in the tribe has a role to play, and contributes work towards basic survival needs.
Shamans don't do any of that. They pretty much do their own thing and rely on charity for much of their survival needs.
And why does it even matter trying to find out if you're "shamanic" or not.
Honestly, who gives a rats ass about that anyways?
If you were truly a Shaman, you wouldn't be asking. IMO





Although I respect and agree with some of your views, you cannot say that shamans do not play an important role in their society. The shaman is quite frankly one of the most important people in a tribe.




I agree completely. You may have misinterpreted my meaning so let me re-clarify.
The shaman doesn't contribute to the practical, day-to-day survival tasks, like thatching roofs or hunting game. They are not expected to help out with simple shit like that. They're role in the tribe is much greater than that, and they will not be asked to "lend a hand" if the tribe needs an extra man on the hide tanning rack or something.
They are isolated from the tribe until they are needed for healing.
So I agree with you that they perhaps play the most important role in the group.
Alls I meant in my original post is that they don't work or participate in any of the conventional ways that other tribes-folk do.


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: Great Scott]
    #12793064 - 06/23/10 08:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

So was any of that based on anything, or did you just make all that stuff up?

How do you know whether or not the village shaman would help with labor?


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Re: Do you have the knack to become shamanic? [Re: g00ru]
    #12793720 - 06/23/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I read it in a book.


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