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Smitington
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: StOnEdStAtE36]
#12789448 - 06/23/10 09:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everytime ppl talk about negative effects they where smoking spice, but people who use the pure chemicals say they don't get the negative effects, anybody else make this connection?
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Smitington]
#12789579 - 06/23/10 10:22 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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If that's true I would gladly buy my friends some better pure JWH.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Kada]
#12790148 - 06/23/10 12:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wunderland spice is great for me. I'm not big on smoking pot, so when I do want to get a buzz and don't feel like shrooming or drinking, its a great alternative. I can support a very cool vendor / small business, don't have to deal with all the bullshit that comes with trying to buy drugs, and get a comparable effect - that is as win win as it gets 
I really don't get why your so protective of your friends drug use, let them make their own decisions, someday you might not be there when they need to go crying to someone about a crappy high.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: c1dh3d]
#12790188 - 06/23/10 12:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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All I said was I'm glad they aren't going to get the shit that they have been getting. Whatever it was it was shit. If they can order decent JWH then I hope they take the extra step now and do it if it really is safer like you guys said. I can and will worry about my friends when they call me at 2am and tell me that they are feeling really shitty and ask me for advice on how to get through a shitty high that has their heart racing, face drained, cold and clammy, vomiting, shallow breathing and feel like death. And no my friends are not experiencing isolated incidences because they are retarded or something like that. Some of that spice product has gotten people sick all over the world if my google searches can be believed.
As I said it's all IMO. I don't like my friends going through that and I am glad there is a reason they will have to go the extra step and get something decent.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Kada]
#12790450 - 06/23/10 01:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tell them to control themselves. Control is key with JWH because the high is not overly impressive, it is easy to want to use more, but it is also very easy to use too much. You basically have to be accepting with what the high is and not over do it. Even with the pure shit you can do too much and feel like shit. It might be easier to dose with the pure stuff though, all you do is scoop a little bit of the powder out and smoke it over some other leaf. I've noticed that when you do this some of it melts and spreads throughout the smoking base, meaning future hits will be more potent if you place the same amount of chemical on top. I've read that the same is true if you vaporize.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Smitington]
#12790588 - 06/23/10 01:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Probably still healthier then cigarettes
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Smitington]
#12790628 - 06/23/10 01:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I will admit I have never tried the stuff. When I made the thread one of the conversations between myself and one of my friends who got sick from it was fresh in my head. It was a completely bias post from the get go. I did say that I don't think anything should be illegal and that I was just glad my friends won't have such an open access to it. It very well could be their own faults and probably was. Reading my first post does make me wish I would have taken a day or two before I posted anything on the subject. I claim ignorance and thank you guys for tying to enlighten me about something I really knew little about. It's safe to say that some of my friends can be stupid when it comes to moderation, and from what you are saying they did bring it on themselves. I still am glad that they specifically wont have access to it because they obviously can't moderate themselves because they treat it like they are just smoking weed and can get as high as they want with no consequences.
I really do want to say that I was a little quick to judge and did what I hate people do about things they are ignorant of. Hey I'm only human.
I'm sticking to weed myself.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Kada]
#12790645 - 06/23/10 01:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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This doesn't bother me one bit. The stuff is shit
"Hey weed got banned and it doesnt bother me one bit, I don't smoke the stuff anyway."
See? same thing. Its a case of My Drug Is Better Then Yours and Your Mileage May Vary.
I dont like it that weed is banned and that JWH is banned - I don't like the entire drug war. It bothers me people will get arrested in your state for buying spice, and have their lives destroyed by a criminal record for drug posession.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Asante]
#12790703 - 06/23/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I know, thus my post before this one. 
Never said I wanted anything banned tho. I just didn't care at the time which was just as dumb. I can have moments of dumbassery too.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Kada]
#12791216 - 06/23/10 03:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kada said: I will admit I have never tried the stuff. When I made the thread one of the conversations between myself and one of my friends who got sick from it was fresh in my head. It was a completely bias post from the get go. I did say that I don't think anything should be illegal and that I was just glad my friends won't have such an open access to it. It very well could be their own faults and probably was. Reading my first post does make me wish I would have taken a day or two before I posted anything on the subject. I claim ignorance and thank you guys for tying to enlighten me about something I really knew little about. It's safe to say that some of my friends can be stupid when it comes to moderation, and from what you are saying they did bring it on themselves. I still am glad that they specifically wont have access to it because they obviously can't moderate themselves because they treat it like they are just smoking weed and can get as high as they want with no consequences.
I really do want to say that I was a little quick to judge and did what I hate people do about things they are ignorant of. Hey I'm only human.
I'm sticking to weed myself. 
I'm glad you are being a little less bias. Sorry I was a dick, your OP just filled me with rage. I'm biased towards the stuff, I suppose. 
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Kada said: I can and will worry about my friends when they call me at 2am and tell me that they are feeling really shitty and ask me for advice on how to get through a shitty high that has their heart racing, face drained, cold and clammy, vomiting, shallow breathing and feel like death. And no my friends are not experiencing isolated incidences because they are retarded or something like that. Some of that spice product has gotten people sick all over the world if my google searches can be believed.
Honestly, sounds like your friends are having panic/anxiety attacks or something. Probably from smoking too much.
I mean come on, weed can bring on the same symptoms, that's why I'm hating on your "JWH has negative side effects!" It's the same exact thing when someone gets too high when they are new to smoking. Only difference is your friends are smoking plant material with pure chemical sprayed on.
Weed is plant material with a little bit of different cannabanoids in it. Spice is plant material with only one or two cannabanoids. IDK what I'm trying to say.
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Everlong]
#12791291 - 06/23/10 03:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you've had your hand in the spice jar again
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Re: On Indiana banning spice and me not caring one bit about it. [Re: Smitington]
#12791586 - 06/23/10 04:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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AlmostAsCoolAs said: You don't care that it's carcinogenic?
misinformation much?
Any time you burn plant matter, you get polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.
And thence cancer.
Weed or tobacco don't contain much in the way of carcinogens before you burn them (additives, radon notwithstanding).
inb4 "Everything gives you cancer"
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