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Offlinebowling-name
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HPPD: Living With Flashbacks
    #1279120 - 02/04/03 06:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

HPPD, Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder...previously known as "Post Hallucinogen Perception Disorder"

I have only met one person who has this. Anyone else on the board have to deal with it? I'm especially interested in stories of people who have visual disturbances that are almost always with them, or other types of lingering hallucinations (e.g. unshakable smells, tastes, etc). How do you cope? How does this effect your work, your school habits, your relationships? Thanks ahead to those with the courage to share.

Think you might have it? Description from the DSM:

The essential feature of Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder (Flashbacks) is the transient recurrence of disturbances in perception that are reminescent of those experienced during one or more earlier Hallucinogen Intoxications. The person must have had no recent Hallucinogen Intoxication and must show no current drug toxicity (Criterion A). This reexperienceing of perceptual symptoms causes clinically significant distress or impairment
in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (Criterion B). The symptoms are not due to a general medical condition (e.g., anatomical lesions and infections of the brain or visual epilepsies) and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., delerium, dementia, or Schizophrenia) or by hypnopompic hallucinations (Criterion C). The perceptual disturbances may include geometric forms, peripheral-field images, flashes of color, intensified colors, trailing images (images left suspended in the path of a moving object as seen in stroboscopic photography), perceptions of entire objects, afterimages (a same-colored or complementary-colored "shadow" of an object remaining after the removal of the object), halos around objects, macropsia, and micropsia. The abnormal perceptions that are associated with Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder occur episodically and may be self-induced (e.g., by thinking about them) or triggered by entry into a dark environment, various drugs, anxiety or fatigue, or other stressors. The episodes may abate after several months, but many persons report persisting episodes for 5 years or longer. Reality testing remains intact (i.e., the person realizes that the perception is a drug effect and does not represent external reality). In contrast, if the person has a delusional interpretation concerning the etiology of the perceptual disturbance, the appropriate diagnosis would be Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified.

Diagnostic criteria for 292.89 Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder
A. The re-experiencing, following cesssation of use of a hallucinogen, of one or more of the perceptual symptoms that were experienced while intoxicated with the hallucinogen (e.g., geometric hallucinations, false perceptions of movement in the peripheral visual fields, flashes of colors, intensified colors, trails of images of moving objects, positive afterimages, halos around objects, macropsia, and micropsia.
B. The symptoms in Criterion A cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
C. The symptoms are not due to a general medical condition (e.g., anatomical lesions and infections of the brain, visual epilepsies) and are not better accounted for another mental disorder (e.g., delerium, dementia, Schizophrenia) or hypnopompic hallucinations.

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1279226 - 02/04/03 06:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

All you need to do is use PSI Healing B.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Brugman]
    #1279373 - 02/04/03 07:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Lol! That game is/was the shit. I have beaten it too many times now for it to be fun but I used to love it. I can't believe a sequel was never made. There was supposed to be Earthbound 64 but it never happened.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1279552 - 02/04/03 08:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

There is no suffering....you are more open to the 'real' reality :wink:

consider it somethign to be grateful for :wink:


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1279749 - 02/04/03 09:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

this is a bunch of bullshit!


like depression ,
there is nothing on earth that can test the levels of serotonin


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Brugman]
    #1279817 - 02/04/03 10:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:smirk: 


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1279861 - 02/04/03 10:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ive real people say HPPD ruins their life


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1279871 - 02/04/03 10:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i have that for sure

i also have post tramatic stress disorder from bad trips

doesn't ruin my life, the stress disorder sucks,

but HPPD is what you make of it, just as life is

i think its made my life more interesting


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: T0aD]
    #1280187 - 02/05/03 04:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well those people are pussies :wink:

I just say your more 'in tune'...but if you wanna put a name to it or whatever...yeah...I have hppd.  I don't find it disabling at all.

I'm grateful :wink:


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1280193 - 02/05/03 04:33 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So random hallucinatory phenomenon are more 'in tune', eh?

I don't get it.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: ]
    #1280213 - 02/05/03 04:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes...why insist it's a 'disability' of some sort.

I'm just more in tune with the 'real reality'. I don't understand why it's a negative thing. I wouldn't have it any other way.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1280316 - 02/05/03 05:26 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have always been able to see some CEV's (even before I started tripping) When I close my eyes, its never black--always a wavy blue, red, pink, and purple static. Once in a while I can have OEV's if I'm in the right kind of mood. I don't see how these kinds of things can be harmful. I think its the weak minded people out there who cant handle these things that say it makes you crazy or whatever. Here's a good quote to sum it up " If you don't have room in your house for an elephant, dont make friends with an elephant trainer " Peace to you all, and don't get too high too fast or you might not be able to land on your feet


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: peruvian spark]
    #1280390 - 02/05/03 05:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I dont believe I have this condition but I can make myself have ever so slight visualizations at will. Ever since my first mushroom trip my CEVs are anything but black. And if I stare at a uniform looking surface like a wall or rug I can make it breath ever so slightly.

Dont get me wrong, its not near like tripping but its not like it was before I tried the mushrooms.

I dont mind it, its only noticable when I concentrate on it.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1280419 - 02/05/03 06:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i had it for years when i just started trippin. it seemed to get stronger while smoking ganja.

after i tried datura i saw flushes for half a year later (white flashs are a hallucination very common with datura)
anyway, i didnt connect it with the datura i took and thoght someone was following me with a camera. it espesiaaly got more common while smoking so i was thinking the police r after me... paranoia...  :shocked:

i also took some sanpedro and all the trip i looked on the celing fan of a friend of mine dance and swirl all around the celling. whenever i came back (even months later) and looked at it it danced and swirled again.

one time i looked on a beautifull sunset and then i looked inside the room and i saw a big green ball in the corner of the room. this happend a few times that day. it was wierd because it happend only in a perticilar corner if the room.

i also just had little things jumping in the corner of my eye, things breathing. i could also  summon it by will.

now i dont have these optic disorders anymore. it just faded away although i trip even more. i just got used to psychedelics or somthing...

it happend to almost everyone i know who trip.
this also happend to a riend of mine after she took n2o for her 1st time.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1280479 - 02/05/03 06:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

HPPD is good fun


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Strumpling]
    #1280991 - 02/05/03 09:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes when I'm falling asleep or right when I'm waking up I'll see my ceiling start to lightly breath.I think it's just because psychedelics have made me more aware of things that happpen anyway.It's probabaly just an ampliefied hypnagogic sleep state that most people get.It gets worse when I'm extremely tired or stoned.It doesn't bother me at all though,it's entertaining at times.



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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: monoamine]
    #1281316 - 02/05/03 11:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think I get this when I smoke bud, my vision gets distorted and I'll
see flashes of light. I really only notice when high, although that
is most of the time.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1281367 - 02/05/03 11:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The fact that there are people with this condition that enjoy it is making me consider the immediate disposal of all hallucenogenics that I own...


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Brugman]
    #1281411 - 02/05/03 11:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes i have a flashback and i feel like i am on Acid again. I dont mind it, it is yet to have any effect on anything in my life, i just get mild visual distortions and colors appear brighter.. but i only have a very mild case



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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Cryptic]
    #1281466 - 02/05/03 12:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Does anyone know if this is a permenant situation or does it cease
after a period of time i.e a year of not using psychadelics?


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1281631 - 02/05/03 12:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why...because we aren't worried about every and all things that go on with our mind?

If you can't handle the risks and the side effects of drug use...

You shouldn't be using period.

I find it equally sickening that people, who complain about hppd(and VARIOUS other things), are even using hallucenogenics


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1281940 - 02/05/03 02:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Length and severity vary. Some individuals report minor 'breathing' or CEVs when under stress. Some people have much more active visuals lasting for years (the longest recorded case in medical literature that I am aware of is just over five years long). These more 'extreme' cases seem like they have the potential to be debilitating/tiring/distracting. Then again, depending on your constitution (and judging from the comments of others in this forum) it would seem a person can get used to just about anything when he/she doesn't have a choice about it.

While I understand the "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" mentality, I'm not sure that many people starting out with using hallucinogens are aware of HPPD as a possible consequence. Its rarely listed as a potential outcome even on sites as informative as the Lyceum or Erowid. I remember hearing about "flashbacks" with long-time LSD users, but it was always falsely described as a temporary and sudden return to the delusional/paranoid thought patterns; i.e. more sloppy inaccurate anti-drug info.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1282058 - 02/05/03 03:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

" it would seem a person can get used to just about anything when he/she doesn't have a choice about it"

It's like your saying, no matter what...it IS a bad thing...but we get used to it(making it a good thing). Just the way your wording is...that's the way it sounds.

I'm glad it happens. Glad. I knew about it when I started...and hoped I'd get it. I'm more 'open' to what I call the real reality. I notice things more...yes things move, warp, I see fractals, and when I'm stoned I can get some very intense visuals(my bed rippling like water when I looked at it), and so on. This is something I WANTED before I started using. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I agree though, a lot of people don't know about hppd before starting to use, and if they do...there is a lot of 'loose' information on the subject. Like you said, sloppy information. For the most part anyway.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1282532 - 02/05/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't go as far as sayin that i have that crap.  but when i first started trippin 7 years ago i had breathing an trails an patterns for the first couple months afterwards. An from then on when ever i smoke really good bud i get cev's an sometimes breathing. I don't smoke now due to probation but still get slight flashbacks from time to time. Everyone I know that has tripped more then 50+ times like myself has this affect, trails off of my hands etc. thats the only thing i still see to this day. peace out enjoy the ride hehe....    :crazy: 


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Cryptic]
    #1282633 - 02/05/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes when i smoke weed i get mild hallucinations very similar to mild shroom hallucinations, i never got these before i did shrooms.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: liftedoff420]
    #1282660 - 02/05/03 06:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks soo much for posting this. i thought i was crazy.

I remember being little and havin visuals. Like when i was in my room alone in tha dark befor i went to bed i would focus and have trailers and shit like taht.. At the time i thought it was my imagination at its best.
Now i have them durring tha day but they dont bother me.. They arnt ever anything huge or scary.. They're acctualy kinda relaxing and help me think and let my mind wander...

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: shroomGod420]
    #1282664 - 02/05/03 06:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Man this is bullshit, its in yer fucking heads, I did acid constantly for a year, tooken 19 hits at a time of the best shit, and yea i felt like that, but 5 years later i didnt notice that shit anymore, you cant bow down to acid and think its so damn important, cause obviously its not important, if u tripped it doesnt make you any different a person, you gotta understand its a seperate situation, The mind does heal from hallucins


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1282692 - 02/05/03 06:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This is the reason right here all people shouldnt use hallucinations, if your a fucking hallucinagen user your mind is gunna be fucked a bit for awhile, so if you experiance the side effects of having LSD or Psilo in your body on a weekly or even mounthly basis even longer, your gunna experiance side effects, DUH, it shouldnt be labeled a disorder, of course thats why the info is so shitty, its not a disorder its a side effect of a drug, the whole concept is insane


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1282705 - 02/05/03 06:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Soooo influenced by the drug war, you realy think if you use lsd your doomed or changed for life, only god is that powerfull


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1282899 - 02/05/03 07:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Common no replys yet?


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1283028 - 02/05/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"The fact that there are people with this condition that enjoy it is making me consider the immediate disposal of all hallucenogenics that I own..."

Oh relax! Why would one continue with psychedelics if one didn't enjoy certain aspects of it?


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1283079 - 02/05/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"i have that for sure"
what a flashback?


anyway depression pisses me off its one of those thing that deosnt REALLY exist
I can prove my point I am not just talking shit(ask if you dont belive me)

there is nothing that can measure serotonin in the brain

and if depression is genetic why are the VERY most depressed people come from countries with EVERYTHING

People are more depressed nowadays because of the way we live (TV, ads, stress, work etc etc) and pollution
if you say its chemical I will say!!!!!!!! pollution !!
people are not "made to fail"
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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1283082 - 02/05/03 09:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck its just a flashback

if you are in a "serious" situation (car crash etc etc ) you can relive that (good or bad )
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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1283342 - 02/06/03 01:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've got HPPD...

Mildly tho. When I look at the carpet or other amorphous surfaces (like especially TV static) I see breathing and patterns. I can diminish or intensify it, but it's always there, never had that before my shroomuse. Looking at TV static is ab-so-lutely fascinating: Alot of symbolics emerge, at will or at "random". Most of the time, the Static Channel is the most interesting one of the entire tube & one doesn't need a TV guide for it! Carpet patterning and breathing can be VERY intense, even as strong as an average Trip I take.

But there's another side to it. The intensity of the visuals corresponds with the intensity of a trip-like emotional lability. Well, better put: a tendency to extremer emotions, as well as increased capability to think deeper about stuff.

All in all, It's just like tripping, but different in nature. When I first noticed it it scared the living daylights out of me. OMG! What's this?!
Then I got the feeling it would leave me soon.
It didn't.

Now, months later, I'm almost completely at peace with it. I don't think it's braindamage (there would be no controlling it, then) at all but kind of a learning process. As a kid dad puts you on a bike with those uncool sidewheels on it. A little later you can ride it yourself and the sidewheels come off.

THIS IS IT. Tripping TEACHES you to enter this state of consciousness, so that eventually (took me over 50 Trips) you can do it without ingesting something. Since it's not using an external tool (like a bike) but an internal one (a state of consciousness) it becomes semi-permanent. If it goes away you either repress or replace the ability with other things.

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Asante]
    #1283349 - 02/06/03 01:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I amazed by the number of people on here that have this along with
myself. Also this is something that there isn't any thorough info
on, almost like it was in the closet. For those that don't have it,
I don't think it's disturbing unless you let it be.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1283356 - 02/06/03 01:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh here's a question.. would an eye doctor be able to tell that your
eyes are messed if you have this condition or does it have more to
do with the brain? It just seems to me that all the hallucinations
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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: peruvian spark]
    #1283438 - 02/06/03 03:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It's normal to see CEVs. I've been seeing them for as long as I can remember. When I started tripping I became more aware of them. The CEVs I see while tripping are an expansion of the CEVs I have always seen.

I get OEVs aswell. I also think that these have always been there, but it's only since I started tripping that I've become aware of them.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1283558 - 02/06/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ehmm...

Nope, an eye-doctor won't see it, it's a brain thing. At the summit of HPPD I checked and as expected there was no mydriasis (pupil dilation) present.
If you think you've got it: try to find peace with it. It's extremely hard to suppress with pharms (if not impossible) and this should only be tried at last resort & under strict medical supervision.

Some HPPD goes away, some won't, I guess. Usually it's weeks to months. But I believe it to be innocent in nature, only giving rise to problems if one tries to resist it, or if the distortions prove too distracting/warping for, for instance, reading properly. Psychedelics are not toys. If you seek Insight and Miracle, you may take that along when the Trip ends. Should your objective be to get "F#cked up" you might find yourself in this state for weeks to come.

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1285804 - 02/06/03 04:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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This is the reason right here all people shouldnt use hallucinations, if your a fucking hallucinagen user your mind is gunna be fucked a bit for awhile, so if you experiance the side effects of having LSD or Psilo in your body on a weekly or even mounthly basis even longer, your gunna experiance side effects, DUH, it shouldnt be labeled a disorder, of course thats why the info is so shitty, its not a disorder its a side effect of a drug, the whole concept is insane




According to the criteria in the definition of HPPD, it is not a "disorder" if it does not impair functioning. This is an important and touchy issue among psychologists and psychiatrists as in the past, failure to pay attention to this distinction has lead to the branding of things like PMS and homosexuality as diseases.

Culture has always dictated what behavior or experience is OK and what behavior or experience is pathological. This both inhibits individual human experience (a bad thing) and insures social cohesion (a good thing).

"Madness" itself is arguably a social construct; however, when the majority of people in society choose to treat perceptions that differ from their own as being wrong/bad, it seems like this would inevitably lead to conflict/difficulty between people who experience symptoms of hppd and people who do not (such as their family/employers/etc). It's heartening to hear about people who have taken their 'mental illness' and found ways to make it work in their favor. This is true whether I ask about hppd (a phenomenon I find interesting and whose prevelance I rightly guessed is higher in the shroomery community than among the circles of people I know in the 'real world.'), bi-polar or dissociaive disorders, or amnesia.

To say that such experiences are 'bull-shit;' that depression 'doesn't exist;' that experience and emotion are 'all in your head,' misses the point:

Of course hppd 'is what you make of it;' I only started this thread to see what exactly people have made of it.

By the way, I'm not going to respond to statements about God being the only thing capable of leading to profound or powerful changes in a person's thinking/lives. We'll never come to an agreement on that one.


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    #1287021 - 02/06/03 11:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The sky always has a "TV white noise" effect to it, and I see colored spots sometimes, and definite change in my thought pattern... you really see what's bad in this world and what's not!!

I've never had a bad trip, weird trips but no bad ones! I do not regret any of my trips, and honestly I'd have to say that some of my trips (while hard to remember) have been some of the most amazing things I've encountered in my life... unforgettable!!

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1287355 - 02/07/03 05:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

a flashback is when you think of something in the past,,, everyone has flashback of extreme emotinal situations in their life, good or bad

since mush has a tendancy to amplify emotions to levels previously unimaginable, of course, your going to have flashback of your trip, i mean it was a crazy time wasn't it?

unfortunetly once you have a level 5 nightmareish trip, its hard to have a good trip after such an intense experiance,....its also hard to trust reality after it falls appart on you, and the movie screen characters are reading your thoughts, and replying directly to you.
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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Strumpling]
    #1287359 - 02/07/03 05:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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"The fact that there are people with this condition that enjoy it is making me consider the immediate disposal of all hallucenogenics that I own..."





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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1287390 - 02/07/03 05:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes...why insist it's a 'disability' of some sort.

I'm just more in tune with the 'real reality'. I don't understand why it's a negative thing. I wouldn't have it any other way.




Its not 'real'. The hallucinations are in your mind. I guess thats real enough, but its not external reality. Its not negative, but you're deluding yourself if you think that the hallucinations caused by LSD are some part of an external reality.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1287588 - 02/07/03 06:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't say that, dude. I was quoting somebody else, hence the QUOTES.


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    #1288063 - 02/07/03 09:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

it's real to me. Thats good enough for me.

I've taken mind opening substances........and now I have some of that knowledge and experience with me always, even when sober.

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1288277 - 02/07/03 11:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

After I trip, when I smoke weed for a few weeks after things like to breath a bit, and sometimes I have some cool CEV (that are REAL intense)

Ussally the first time I smoke after dropping acid, I get that "ball of energy" feeling that comes with acid. ^__^ very nice.

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Sombie]
    #1288468 - 02/07/03 12:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

smoking weed the day after a trip always sends me halfway back to wonderland


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Strumpling]
    #1288790 - 02/07/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

wonderland?

lol was hell for me.  The last time I did lsd, I didn't go to sleep at all the next day(was up late at night tripping)...and that evening I went and smoked 3 grams....

and out of nowhere, an anxiety attack(I didn't know thats what it was at that time).  So imagine having a full out panic attack...while your in that state of mind.  At the time, I forgot about me taking lsd the previous day....so maybe thats why when things were EXTRA weird...got me even more panicked.

Ever since than...I haven't got it to go away.

haha NOT wonderland :wink:  (i know thats just me though so don't flame. lol)


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1289039 - 02/07/03 03:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

well I've learned to relax and quell panic-attacks before they happen, so yeah Wonderland :wink:


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1289072 - 02/07/03 03:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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This is the reason right here all people shouldnt use hallucinations, if your a fucking hallucinagen user your mind is gunna be fucked a bit for awhile, so if you experiance the side effects of having LSD or Psilo in your body on a weekly or even mounthly basis even longer, your gunna experiance side effects, DUH, it shouldnt be labeled a disorder, of course thats why the info is so shitty, its not a disorder its a side effect of a drug, the whole concept is insane




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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Meph]
    #1289091 - 02/07/03 04:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

why not?


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Strumpling]
    #1289105 - 02/07/03 04:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Read what he wrote another time. The kid doesn't know what he's talking about. He also doesn't know how to spell or express himself properly.

I don't mean to flame. But misinformation like that should not be on the boards...

To the author of the post: I suggest you learn how to make your posts attractive and fun to read.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Meph]
    #1289109 - 02/07/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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"This is the reason right here all people shouldnt use hallucinations, if your a fucking hallucinagen user your mind is gunna be fucked a bit for awhile, so if you experiance the side effects of having LSD or Psilo in your body on a weekly or even mounthly basis even longer, your gunna experiance side effects, DUH, it shouldnt be labeled a disorder, of course thats why the info is so shitty, its not a disorder its a side effect of a drug, the whole concept is insane "


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Meph]
    #1289157 - 02/07/03 04:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I read it man I was just wondering why you posted saying that you weren't going to comment.... gotchya.

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    #1289195 - 02/07/03 04:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I read it man I was just wondering why you posted saying that you weren't going to comment.... gotchya.

deprave: articulate, man... articulate. 




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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1289984 - 02/07/03 11:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

See here...

And i also sometimes see the train tracks wave on move when i stop at a certain station. This is not bullshit btw.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1290169 - 02/08/03 01:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't done acid or any other psychadelic for a couple years, but back when I did a lot of acid I used to see figures of people when I was driving on the highway at night.. especially when stoned.. and I just couldn't be sure if it was real or not. so when they got too close I would swerve or stop. right on the highway.. that was not too cool. but I guess I kinda got used to it and it just went away. I used to have other little visual distortions, but none of that lasted very long.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Strumpling]
    #1290179 - 02/08/03 01:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't say that, dude. I was quoting somebody else, hence the QUOTES.




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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #1290197 - 02/08/03 06:08 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Man, Strumpling, everybody is sorry, eh?

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    #1290531 - 02/08/03 09:01 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

lol maybe I'm just too picky....

It would seem that if everybody has to apologize to me all the time, it may be ME doing something wrong :smile:

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1292228 - 02/09/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, check this. You know the pattern that covers everything when you're doing nitrous?
Well I get that static/pattern/fractal stuff all over everything I look at. Much more pronounced both in the dark, as well as when I am stoned.
Though it can become rather bothersome when driving at night, for the most part it's completely harmless. I have chalked it up to over-active synapses in my visual cortex. ie: The nerves in my eyes/brain are over-stimulated due to a chemical imbalance caused by use of serotonin agonists and antagonists such as Psilocin and MDMA.
I take the time occasionaly to study the patterns and try to understand what they arise from. The layout of the cones and rods in my retina, the neural connections on the way to my brain, etc... Quite interesting stuff. I don't mind it, only when I tell people that I see "patterns on things all the time" and they call me nuts and say I have fried my brain with drugs.

Try this: Leave the TV on for a few hours (real tough for most I'm sure...), then shut it off with all the lights in the house off. Look at the TV. Now look a couple inches to the side of it. Now a foot to the side of it. The subtelty with which the light still coming out of the warm picture tube comes into your perception is about the same as how these patterns are there.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1292576 - 02/09/03 07:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I believe i have it aswell. I ALWAYS have shapes shifting, but barely translucent across my eyes, generally if i smoke marijuana they gain a pink tinge, more depth, and a recognizeable pattern. They really cause me no problems, I think i recognize patterns within ordinary life, word and number sequences, color patterns, all sorts of things with much more clarity understand, and appreciation than before. Overall they are enjoyable, and would be missed if they were to go again. I feel it is important to mention however, that while tripping, ive never had much for visuals...my face melted one time (bad trip!) and on 7g, letters started spinning within words, and words started spinning the opposite direction in conjunction with the letters, thats all. No CEV's or anything of the sort.


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