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Offlinejuicemonkey
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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1281631 - 02/05/03 12:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why...because we aren't worried about every and all things that go on with our mind?

If you can't handle the risks and the side effects of drug use...

You shouldn't be using period.

I find it equally sickening that people, who complain about hppd(and VARIOUS other things), are even using hallucenogenics


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1281940 - 02/05/03 02:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Length and severity vary. Some individuals report minor 'breathing' or CEVs when under stress. Some people have much more active visuals lasting for years (the longest recorded case in medical literature that I am aware of is just over five years long). These more 'extreme' cases seem like they have the potential to be debilitating/tiring/distracting. Then again, depending on your constitution (and judging from the comments of others in this forum) it would seem a person can get used to just about anything when he/she doesn't have a choice about it.

While I understand the "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" mentality, I'm not sure that many people starting out with using hallucinogens are aware of HPPD as a possible consequence. Its rarely listed as a potential outcome even on sites as informative as the Lyceum or Erowid. I remember hearing about "flashbacks" with long-time LSD users, but it was always falsely described as a temporary and sudden return to the delusional/paranoid thought patterns; i.e. more sloppy inaccurate anti-drug info.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1282058 - 02/05/03 03:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

" it would seem a person can get used to just about anything when he/she doesn't have a choice about it"

It's like your saying, no matter what...it IS a bad thing...but we get used to it(making it a good thing). Just the way your wording is...that's the way it sounds.

I'm glad it happens. Glad. I knew about it when I started...and hoped I'd get it. I'm more 'open' to what I call the real reality. I notice things more...yes things move, warp, I see fractals, and when I'm stoned I can get some very intense visuals(my bed rippling like water when I looked at it), and so on. This is something I WANTED before I started using. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I agree though, a lot of people don't know about hppd before starting to use, and if they do...there is a lot of 'loose' information on the subject. Like you said, sloppy information. For the most part anyway.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1282532 - 02/05/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't go as far as sayin that i have that crap.  but when i first started trippin 7 years ago i had breathing an trails an patterns for the first couple months afterwards. An from then on when ever i smoke really good bud i get cev's an sometimes breathing. I don't smoke now due to probation but still get slight flashbacks from time to time. Everyone I know that has tripped more then 50+ times like myself has this affect, trails off of my hands etc. thats the only thing i still see to this day. peace out enjoy the ride hehe....    :crazy: 


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Cryptic]
    #1282633 - 02/05/03 05:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

sometimes when i smoke weed i get mild hallucinations very similar to mild shroom hallucinations, i never got these before i did shrooms.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: liftedoff420]
    #1282660 - 02/05/03 06:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks soo much for posting this. i thought i was crazy.

I remember being little and havin visuals. Like when i was in my room alone in tha dark befor i went to bed i would focus and have trailers and shit like taht.. At the time i thought it was my imagination at its best.
Now i have them durring tha day but they dont bother me.. They arnt ever anything huge or scary.. They're acctualy kinda relaxing and help me think and let my mind wander...

Wish i could write more.. Mabey when im more awake.....................


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: shroomGod420]
    #1282664 - 02/05/03 06:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Man this is bullshit, its in yer fucking heads, I did acid constantly for a year, tooken 19 hits at a time of the best shit, and yea i felt like that, but 5 years later i didnt notice that shit anymore, you cant bow down to acid and think its so damn important, cause obviously its not important, if u tripped it doesnt make you any different a person, you gotta understand its a seperate situation, The mind does heal from hallucins


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1282692 - 02/05/03 06:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

This is the reason right here all people shouldnt use hallucinations, if your a fucking hallucinagen user your mind is gunna be fucked a bit for awhile, so if you experiance the side effects of having LSD or Psilo in your body on a weekly or even mounthly basis even longer, your gunna experiance side effects, DUH, it shouldnt be labeled a disorder, of course thats why the info is so shitty, its not a disorder its a side effect of a drug, the whole concept is insane


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1282705 - 02/05/03 06:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Soooo influenced by the drug war, you realy think if you use lsd your doomed or changed for life, only god is that powerfull


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1282899 - 02/05/03 07:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Common no replys yet?


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: CeeEssGee]
    #1283028 - 02/05/03 08:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"The fact that there are people with this condition that enjoy it is making me consider the immediate disposal of all hallucenogenics that I own..."

Oh relax! Why would one continue with psychedelics if one didn't enjoy certain aspects of it?


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1283079 - 02/05/03 09:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"i have that for sure"
what a flashback?


anyway depression pisses me off its one of those thing that deosnt REALLY exist
I can prove my point I am not just talking shit(ask if you dont belive me)

there is nothing that can measure serotonin in the brain

and if depression is genetic why are the VERY most depressed people come from countries with EVERYTHING

People are more depressed nowadays because of the way we live (TV, ads, stress, work etc etc) and pollution
if you say its chemical I will say!!!!!!!! pollution !!
people are not "made to fail"
if its cultural I will agree



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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1283082 - 02/05/03 09:08 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

What the fuck its just a flashback

if you are in a "serious" situation (car crash etc etc ) you can relive that (good or bad )
experience this is NO DIFFERENT


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1283342 - 02/06/03 01:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've got HPPD...

Mildly tho. When I look at the carpet or other amorphous surfaces (like especially TV static) I see breathing and patterns. I can diminish or intensify it, but it's always there, never had that before my shroomuse. Looking at TV static is ab-so-lutely fascinating: Alot of symbolics emerge, at will or at "random". Most of the time, the Static Channel is the most interesting one of the entire tube & one doesn't need a TV guide for it! Carpet patterning and breathing can be VERY intense, even as strong as an average Trip I take.

But there's another side to it. The intensity of the visuals corresponds with the intensity of a trip-like emotional lability. Well, better put: a tendency to extremer emotions, as well as increased capability to think deeper about stuff.

All in all, It's just like tripping, but different in nature. When I first noticed it it scared the living daylights out of me. OMG! What's this?!
Then I got the feeling it would leave me soon.
It didn't.

Now, months later, I'm almost completely at peace with it. I don't think it's braindamage (there would be no controlling it, then) at all but kind of a learning process. As a kid dad puts you on a bike with those uncool sidewheels on it. A little later you can ride it yourself and the sidewheels come off.

THIS IS IT. Tripping TEACHES you to enter this state of consciousness, so that eventually (took me over 50 Trips) you can do it without ingesting something. Since it's not using an external tool (like a bike) but an internal one (a state of consciousness) it becomes semi-permanent. If it goes away you either repress or replace the ability with other things.

At first it has scared my pants off. Now it's a super ability, greatly boosting my abilities of Meditation and I think (gulp!) it has made me a better person.



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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: Asante]
    #1283349 - 02/06/03 01:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I amazed by the number of people on here that have this along with
myself. Also this is something that there isn't any thorough info
on, almost like it was in the closet. For those that don't have it,
I don't think it's disturbing unless you let it be.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1283356 - 02/06/03 01:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh here's a question.. would an eye doctor be able to tell that your
eyes are messed if you have this condition or does it have more to
do with the brain? It just seems to me that all the hallucinations
put a strain on my eyes after a while.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: peruvian spark]
    #1283438 - 02/06/03 03:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It's normal to see CEVs. I've been seeing them for as long as I can remember. When I started tripping I became more aware of them. The CEVs I see while tripping are an expansion of the CEVs I have always seen.

I get OEVs aswell. I also think that these have always been there, but it's only since I started tripping that I've become aware of them.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: thelox]
    #1283558 - 02/06/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Ehmm...

Nope, an eye-doctor won't see it, it's a brain thing. At the summit of HPPD I checked and as expected there was no mydriasis (pupil dilation) present.
If you think you've got it: try to find peace with it. It's extremely hard to suppress with pharms (if not impossible) and this should only be tried at last resort & under strict medical supervision.

Some HPPD goes away, some won't, I guess. Usually it's weeks to months. But I believe it to be innocent in nature, only giving rise to problems if one tries to resist it, or if the distortions prove too distracting/warping for, for instance, reading properly. Psychedelics are not toys. If you seek Insight and Miracle, you may take that along when the Trip ends. Should your objective be to get "F#cked up" you might find yourself in this state for weeks to come.

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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: deprave]
    #1285804 - 02/06/03 04:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

This is the reason right here all people shouldnt use hallucinations, if your a fucking hallucinagen user your mind is gunna be fucked a bit for awhile, so if you experiance the side effects of having LSD or Psilo in your body on a weekly or even mounthly basis even longer, your gunna experiance side effects, DUH, it shouldnt be labeled a disorder, of course thats why the info is so shitty, its not a disorder its a side effect of a drug, the whole concept is insane




According to the criteria in the definition of HPPD, it is not a "disorder" if it does not impair functioning. This is an important and touchy issue among psychologists and psychiatrists as in the past, failure to pay attention to this distinction has lead to the branding of things like PMS and homosexuality as diseases.

Culture has always dictated what behavior or experience is OK and what behavior or experience is pathological. This both inhibits individual human experience (a bad thing) and insures social cohesion (a good thing).

"Madness" itself is arguably a social construct; however, when the majority of people in society choose to treat perceptions that differ from their own as being wrong/bad, it seems like this would inevitably lead to conflict/difficulty between people who experience symptoms of hppd and people who do not (such as their family/employers/etc). It's heartening to hear about people who have taken their 'mental illness' and found ways to make it work in their favor. This is true whether I ask about hppd (a phenomenon I find interesting and whose prevelance I rightly guessed is higher in the shroomery community than among the circles of people I know in the 'real world.'), bi-polar or dissociaive disorders, or amnesia.

To say that such experiences are 'bull-shit;' that depression 'doesn't exist;' that experience and emotion are 'all in your head,' misses the point:

Of course hppd 'is what you make of it;' I only started this thread to see what exactly people have made of it.

By the way, I'm not going to respond to statements about God being the only thing capable of leading to profound or powerful changes in a person's thinking/lives. We'll never come to an agreement on that one.


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Re: HPPD: Living With Flashbacks [Re: bowling-name]
    #1287021 - 02/06/03 11:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The sky always has a "TV white noise" effect to it, and I see colored spots sometimes, and definite change in my thought pattern... you really see what's bad in this world and what's not!!

I've never had a bad trip, weird trips but no bad ones! I do not regret any of my trips, and honestly I'd have to say that some of my trips (while hard to remember) have been some of the most amazing things I've encountered in my life... unforgettable!!

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