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Offlinecircastes
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A new perspective on the Handicapped
    #12790614 - 06/23/10 01:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I had a dream about handicaps and social workers just now, and for one reason or another it brought me to tears. Deep, flowing, healing tears. In order to explain it, or rather, a realization in the dream that caused it, was/is the following:

The handicapped strike us so strongly because they'll never leave us. They are the unconditional loving mother. Their love is final, complete. Their motives pure. And it is the same with the dead. This is why at funerals we are so emotional, because the love exhumed by a certain dead person's wishes, words and paragraphs are raised to the height of unconditonality. It is NOT that we feel sorry for them, it is NOT empathy, it's more likely that we feel sorry for ourselves, perhaps even to the extent of jealously, because we do not exhume the same love. It's guaranteed for them; for the handicapped, it's guaranteed by their simplistic living style, which expects nothing of you. For the dead, they have nothing left to give, it all has been taken from them, yet they still love. The intensity is almost Messianic. Perhaps it is the warming comfort of the mother we see in the handicap, that brings us to cry, as well as in the dead? The release, the invitation to release, given by their maternal authority, allows us a healing state of our own, often mistaken as empathy and its reward within a system of personal morality.

Thoughts? Discuss... ? etc.

PS. I was also at a funeral recently, IRL.


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12790889 - 06/23/10 02:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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circastes said:
I had a dream about handicaps and social workers just now, and for one reason or another it brought me to tears. Deep, flowing, healing tears. In order to explain it, or rather, a realization in the dream that caused it, was/is the following:

The handicapped strike us so strongly because they'll never leave us. They are the unconditional loving mother. Their love is final, complete. Their motives pure. And it is the same with the dead. This is why at funerals we are so emotional, because the love exhumed by a certain dead person's wishes, words and paragraphs are raised to the height of unconditonality. It is NOT that we feel sorry for them, it is NOT empathy, it's more likely that we feel sorry for ourselves, perhaps even to the extent of jealously, because we do not exhume the same love. It's guaranteed for them; for the handicapped, it's guaranteed by their simplistic living style, which expects nothing of you. For the dead, they have nothing left to give, it all has been taken from them, yet they still love. The intensity is almost Messianic. Perhaps it is the warming comfort of the mother we see in the handicap, that brings us to cry, as well as in the dead? The release, the invitation to release, given by their maternal authority, allows us a healing state of our own, often mistaken as empathy and its reward within a system of personal morality.

Thoughts? Discuss... ? etc.

PS. I was also at a funeral recently, IRL.





My thoughts are that little of what you have stated is true and you understand basic primate motivations very little. Your tears notwithstanding. And I really don't consider your views in any way "new".


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12791107 - 06/23/10 03:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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For the dead, they have nothing left to give, it all has been taken from them, yet they still love.




They do?


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #12791602 - 06/23/10 04:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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circastes said:
I had a dream about handicaps and social workers just now, and for one reason or another it brought me to tears. Deep, flowing, healing tears. In order to explain it, or rather, a realization in the dream that caused it, was/is the following:

The handicapped strike us so strongly because they'll never leave us. They are the unconditional loving mother. Their love is final, complete. Their motives pure. And it is the same with the dead. This is why at funerals we are so emotional, because the love exhumed by a certain dead person's wishes, words and paragraphs are raised to the height of unconditional. It is NOT that we feel sorry for them, it is NOT empathy, it's more likely that we feel sorry for ourselves, perhaps even to the extent of jealously, because we do not exhume the same love. It's guaranteed for them; for the handicapped, it's guaranteed by their simplistic living style, which expects nothing of you. For the dead, they have nothing left to give, it all has been taken from them, yet they still love. The intensity is almost Messianic. Perhaps it is the warming comfort of the mother we see in the handicap, that brings us to cry, as well as in the dead? The release, the invitation to release, given by their maternal authority, allows us a healing state of our own, often mistaken as empathy and its reward within a system of personal morality.

Thoughts? Discuss... ? etc.

PS. I was also at a funeral recently, IRL.





My thoughts are that little of what you have stated is true and you understand basic primate motivations very little. Your tears notwithstanding. And I really don't consider your views in any way "new".



That's about as grumpy of a response I could've expected from you. :P I think they are new, which is why I rushed to post them (PC is very accessible). Where have you heard this before?

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For the dead, they have nothing left to give, it all has been taken from them, yet they still love.




They do?



Ha well I don't mean the corpse loves you. I mean the person, if just as a concept, a mental image, loves you. I guess I'm specifically referring to dead family members here, but, what I really mean by that is they have a kind of innocence now that exhumes love...


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12791668 - 06/23/10 04:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The OP's post is filled with incorrect generalizations and falsehoods.  I disagree utterly.


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12791705 - 06/23/10 04:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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The handicapped strike us so strongly because they'll never leave us. They are the unconditional loving mother.




what makes you think this? I've known handicapped people who were real assholes.

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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12791792 - 06/23/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)


That's about as grumpy of a response I could've expected from you. :P I think they are new, which is why I rushed to post them (PC is very accessible). Where have you heard this before?


Oh so I'm supposed to sugar coat my response so your new age sensibilities aren't damaged, even though your OP is a wasteland of wrong.

And this type of post is also the nonsense I hear from you on a continual basis. In fact I consider you about the most ill advised poster in these parts. So I guess the feelings mutual.

And I hear this same trite from any bleeding heart that thinks the handicapped are some kind of special souls rather than errors in genetics. Yuck.:thumbdown:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12791817 - 06/23/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It's guaranteed for them; for the handicapped, it's guaranteed by their simplistic living style

What a pile of bullshit. I don't think you've met many handicapped people.


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #12791831 - 06/23/10 05:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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circastes said:
For the dead, they have nothing left to give, it all has been taken from them, yet they still love.




They do?





In comedy timing is everything.:rofl2:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: Icelander]
    #12791845 - 06/23/10 05:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Oh so I'm supposed to sugar coat my response so your new age sensibilities aren't damaged

The guy asks "Thoughts?" then gets upset when you give him some. :wtf:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: Diploid]
    #12792161 - 06/23/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think the OP is being way to general and stuff but he's got the right idea....i guess.

Anyway to lighten things up here's a video of the coolest handicapped person on planet earth



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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: halo]
    #12792188 - 06/23/10 06:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think the OP is being way to general and stuff but he's got the right idea....i guess.

Exactly what "right" idea does he have?

I think  you're right about that vid though.:grin:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: Icelander]
    #12792592 - 06/23/10 07:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I worked with the handicapped, wiped their arses, received their blows and copped abuse from their families. You're simply idealising weakness. You do, however, have a nice turn of phrase. Keep writing and cease dreaming.


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: blinkybill]
    #12792961 - 06/23/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:smirk:

Well I won't reply to the negative posts. Jesus Icelander, relaxxx. I don't think anyone got what I mean. I will address this though: yes there is a generalization, I guess I should have meant to say, the mentally ill. That's who I have experience with.


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: Diploid]
    #12792982 - 06/23/10 08:16 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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The guy asks "Thoughts?" then gets upset when you give him some. :wtf:



I'm not upset, it's a forum. I can sugar-coat the posts, pretend you're joking, see only hatred, consider myself right or wrong, it's all up to the individual. There's no objectivity in forums, that's the basis of trolling.


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12792991 - 06/23/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Translation: "I won't reply to anyone who doesn't agree with my position and treat me with kid gloves"

Back to the mystery forum where you can be pampered by whimsy.:holyshit:

We got what you meant very clearly. :tongue:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12793002 - 06/23/10 08:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not upset

Instead of addressing his reply, you posted a useless personalism that added nothing to the discussion.

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That's about as grumpy of a response I could've expected from you.




That reads like "upset" in my book.

Had you not been upset, you would have simply addressed his reply without making it personal. :rolleyes:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12793683 - 06/23/10 10:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:tard:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: Icelander]
    #12793781 - 06/23/10 10:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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your OP is a wasteland of wrong




With error sprinkles and a whipped assumption topping! :skittles:


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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: circastes]
    #12793909 - 06/23/10 10:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Man you were just crying because you couldn't believe that you actually believed that.

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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: xFrockx] * 1
    #12794145 - 06/23/10 11:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

but if he couldn't believe that the believed it
that would making him incapable of believing
which negates your premise
while making it false
and true
at the same time
thus both reaffirming
and negating said assumption
which is a logical impossibility

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*me head assplodes*

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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #12794162 - 06/23/10 11:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

That's when you're supposed to start crying dummy.

But it wouldn't make him incapable of believing.  He would just be believing and regretting it at the same time.  Like somewhere deep deep down, he knew, he knew he was just a complete and utter ignorant piece of shit on a rock in the middle of space.  Maybe, just maybe, he cried at himself.  Like a child who wants for its mothers teat, his tact was taken from him, milk spilled everywhere, and there it went, man tears, all over the pillow.  For shame.

I was just joking, still am, please don't try to take any of this too seriously, but IT IS PHILOSOPHY.

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Re: A new perspective on the Handicapped [Re: xFrockx]
    #12794219 - 06/23/10 11:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Dude, your allegorical prose about spaceships and big ole titties was so profound it made me weep. :cryariver:


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