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McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan
#12790149 - 06/23/10 12:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/23/general.mcchrystal.obama.apology/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 --------------------------- I'm curious as to some of your thoughts on this.
I think the General probably should have kept his mouth shut but I feel like Obama is essentially to blame for the bad blood that many in the military seem to have for him right now.
Instead of being a unifier he took the scandal a bit to seriously and is in turn showing he is more concerned with politics and self image than winning the war.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12790171 - 06/23/10 12:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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So much for that fair and open government he campaigned for huh .
Obama is just more of the same.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: trekie]
#12790194 - 06/23/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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McChrystal expressed he had some things to say but could not say them due to his position, let's hope that this allows him to state his views
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganist [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12790212 - 06/23/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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eh i trust petraeus over mcchrystal. and didnt think his strategy for afghanistan would work, and we were seemingly making no progress since obama set his timetable.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12790214 - 06/23/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wonder what it is that we are fighting a losing war there due to NONE of the area powers want a stable Afghanistan.
Hell we might as invade Pakistan since they are the main force behind the Taliban now and we gave them how many billions of dollars since 9/11
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12790238 - 06/23/10 12:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Publicly denouncing your supreme commander doesn't really seem like appropriate behavior for a high ranking general to me.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12790340 - 06/23/10 01:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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im to lazy to do my own research. what exactly did he say that was so controversial? spoon feed me.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: danielx]
#12790352 - 06/23/10 01:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: McChrystal expressed he had some things to say but could not say them due to his position, let's hope that this allows him to state his views
Its doubtful right now that we will hear what he has to say. It probably isn't going to help him out any more than it has already. On the other hand, it could be a turning point and he might as well if they are pulling rank on him.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: KillaFoRilla]
#12792675 - 06/23/10 07:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm in a position where I genuinely respect both Generals although I do know Petraeus much better from the Bush Administration.
Simply put however I lack a certain level of sympathy for Obama the fact of the matter is he has little to no ability or initiative for that matter to converse in a constructive and educated manner with the military.
I think McChrystal saying that Obama was ill informed and that their first formal meeting was a Photo Op says volumes in itself. I view that as perhaps a sign that Obama prefers to steer clear instead of painting a picture of a competent engaged militarily adept President.
His brand is one of liberal hope Government programs and pacifist negotiations. Every time he has a sustained presence in the war it reminds people of how rhetoric based his promises were for both wars. In addition to that I feel it also risks his standing with his liberal base which in many regards has had their "Hope" shaken in regards to his competency.
This is all of course just my opinion and nothing more but I feel like McChrystal probably said the right thing at the wrong time to worst people and suffered the consequences. All in all I'm happy he was replaced by a General I respect but at the end of the day it's a shame to see a man be punished for simply calling bullshit on a President that's so inadvertently full of it.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12792691 - 06/23/10 07:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think John Stewart should run the war in aFghanistan. Him and Vice General Colbert
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: twighead]
#12792710 - 06/23/10 07:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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twighead said: Publicly denouncing your supreme commander doesn't really seem like appropriate behavior for a high ranking general to me.
it's inappropriate for a president to hold his nation hostage either
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: memes]
#12792733 - 06/23/10 07:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amen Prisoner...
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla] 1
#12792752 - 06/23/10 07:35 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The guy was employed by the US Military. He then talked shit about the US Military - including his 'bosses'. He then got fired (which is what most 'normal' employers would have done). He clearly had a massive ego and thought he was above getting called out. Obama just played whack-a-mole with a willing mole. Done deal.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12792788 - 06/23/10 07:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not that simple..
Their running a war over there not a Starbucks or a Home Depot...
If I were Obama I'd take that as a serious sign that I'm fucking up when my top General is that dismayed with my performance and more importantly my knowledge of the occupation.
McChrystal fucked up no doubt.. but the difference is he fucked up in a Rolling Stone article not a military conflict. I'd rather take a competent General with a big mouth over a Pro Teleprompter Reader any day.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12792808 - 06/23/10 07:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I read the entire Rolling Stone article on their website, and don't see what the big fucking deal is. Most of the "controversial" comments were said by McChrystal's staff, not him.. and even most of that was pretty tame.
Obama is being a big baby for firing him, honestly. Sounds just like the last president- Bush never wanted anyone around who disagreed with him either.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Adamist]
#12792835 - 06/23/10 07:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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So when my employee bitches like a girl and tells me I'm doing a bad job I'm supposed to sit down and hear him out? Fuck no, that bitch is hittin the bricks with his pink slip.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12792842 - 06/23/10 07:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obama didn't fire him - he resigned with his tail tucked. Probably scared shitless.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12792850 - 06/23/10 07:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The whole thing is though, Obama claimed to be "different".. that he was all about listening to different perspectives, unlike the last douche bag.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12792877 - 06/23/10 07:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like a self admittance that your willing to terminate an employee due to your inability to take criticism regarding your job performance Pantex Prime. That's a poor trait for a leader to have.
Not trying to be offensive or rude or anything but your the one who said it. And again it's not a private company nor should an overseas conflict or a country be run like one.
I agree with you 100% that McChrystals comments were somewhat uncalled for and certainly said in the wrong venue but I don't think Obama's main focus should be on his hurt feelings or the behavior but a good leader should if nothing else focus on the cause of the insubordination at such a high level in such an important sector IE. Our military.
As for the resignation I think it's commonly known in high positions that people of power generally are given the option to resign with minimal dignity instead of suffering the fallout and humiliation of a direct firing.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12793106 - 06/23/10 08:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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any general in any administration would resign/be fired for something like this, regardless of the validity of his remarks. he asked for it.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: twighead]
#12793111 - 06/23/10 08:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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twighead said: Publicly denouncing your supreme commander doesn't really seem like appropriate behavior for a high ranking general to me.
Some places, you get beheaded for that.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12793115 - 06/23/10 08:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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fuckin Patton goddamnit he had a big mouth and he got shit done! i think this is a sad day because it was inevitable that McChrystal resigned. he publicly questioned his commander in chief. obama is his superior and at such a high profile level he knows to save face for everybody he needs to leave. the thing is he probably was a qualified general and had the right ideas, yet these politicians have to play their bullshit games. i say fuck it go all out draw back your troops that are spanning all over the fucking globe and blow some dudes up in caves. then go fuck up iran as they are dicks, set up puppet government bring back troops and call it a day.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: relativexistance]
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relativexistance said: bring back troops and call it a day.
Yep.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Doc_T]
#12793157 - 06/23/10 08:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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they cant just do that, look at the past history. it just leaves turmoil for future generations. im sorry but sometimes you have to be the bad guy to be the good guy. they need to go balls to the wall and commit, they just don't have nearly enough troops there to end this. right now its just a slow bleeding of our military.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: relativexistance]
#12793197 - 06/23/10 08:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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and its not just "lets go install a military state, its that if we are destroying this region and occupying it, lets do it right. lets start building permanent institutions and elements beneficial to the local population to show that we care. im sure the us gov has built quite a bit and continues to do so, but i argue that they are one foot out the door with it. when you don't have enough soldiers you aren't setting a precedent to win. maybe that was the goal as well we have no idea. maybe the grand scheme was to make a somewhat unstable region, even more unstable for somebodys diabolical plan idk.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: trekie]
#12793201 - 06/23/10 08:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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He's either ignorant...or extremely intelligent.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: relativexistance]
#12793392 - 06/23/10 09:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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relativexistance said: they cant just do that, look at the past history. it just leaves turmoil for future generations. im sorry but sometimes you have to be the bad guy to be the good guy. they need to go balls to the wall and commit, they just don't have nearly enough troops there to end this. right now its just a slow bleeding of our military.
Nobody has ever taken Afghanistan, and we won't either.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: memes]
#12793493 - 06/23/10 09:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think we should remove all the allied forces from Afghanistan, stick a great big hose in there, and give it an enema. It's the asshole of the world.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Doc_T]
#12793584 - 06/23/10 09:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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relativexistance said: they cant just do that, look at the past history. it just leaves turmoil for future generations. im sorry but sometimes you have to be the bad guy to be the good guy. they need to go balls to the wall and commit, they just don't have nearly enough troops there to end this. right now its just a slow bleeding of our military.
Nobody has ever taken Afghanistan, and we won't either.
The Durranis did, the Mughols did, the Timurid's did, etc.
But I know what you're trying to say
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Doc_T]
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i dont think i ever said we need to take afghanistan or that we have. although if we exerted our whole military might, we could.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: relativexistance]
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relativexistance said: i dont think i ever said we need to take afghanistan or that we have. although if we exerted our whole military might, we could.
LOL yeah, like we took Vietnam right?
Afghanistan is a lost cause, always has been... We should help them set up a legit exportation business using their poppies to cure the worldwide pain med shortage, and then GTFO as a whole. Maybe leave some special OPs teams to deal with the "terrorists", and some to help run the drug business, but other than that, it's hopeless.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Adamist]
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there the OTD of the world, seriously think about it
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
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I think the United States is genuinely capable of taking Afghanistan. I just don't think it's going to be easy or low on casualties. We have a nearly unlimited military budget or at least one that gives us more than enough logistical resources and in addition to that we have arguably the best trained military in the world.
Fact of the matter is people are getting sick of the headlines revolving around troops getting killed and families losing their sons and daughters. One of the many downsides of post modern media is how real war gets for the average civilian. People simply don't have the stomach for it especially after Vietnam and other defining occupations that shifted civilians towards a more peace centric attitude.
The truth is a single war let alone a historically arduous occupation has never been strategically ran or won by a pacifist civilian. I see a lot of half baked ideas some of which I'm sure are coming from the right place in this thread but none of them really suggest how we could succeed in the occupation that well lets face it.. were in for the long haul.It's a lot easier to armchair quarterback a pullback of troops from a region than it is to suggest an effective battle strategy. That's why I don't suggest logistics as a civilian blindly. I understand I have the freedom of speech to make these suggestions and have these opinions but they are just that opinions based off of a limited civilian based life.
If nothing else I feel like were capable of inflicting major damage to the Taliban and other splinter terrorist organizations. It won't be easy but in my opinion I feel like if we never shoot the big gun off there's no point in spending billions on cleaning it every year.
The issue however is also the international communities willingness to negotiate peacefully at the expense of their neighbors safety and stability. As well as Karzai's proven corrupt nature. Simply put our best bet right now is inflicting casualties financially and otherwise because I don't think we can sustainably keep the region stable.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12795397 - 06/24/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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It'll still take a few more decades to fully convert them to democracy and Christianity, but eventually we will make it happen whether they like it or not.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
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Tesla said: I think the United States is genuinely capable of taking Afghanistan. I just don't think it's going to be easy or low on casualties. We have a nearly unlimited military budget or at least one that gives us more than enough logistical resources and in addition to that we have arguably the best trained military in the world.
As a technical matter, yes. But we don't have the willpower for it. Neither did the Soviets.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Doc_T]
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Tesla said: I think the United States is genuinely capable of taking Afghanistan. I just don't think it's going to be easy or low on casualties. We have a nearly unlimited military budget or at least one that gives us more than enough logistical resources and in addition to that we have arguably the best trained military in the world.
As a technical matter, yes. But we don't have the willpower for it. Neither did the Soviets.
As we stand now your 100% correct. That's why I think it's time to recalibrate how we look at the situation. What they lack in budget and resources they seem to make up for in heart and dedication to the conflict.
Something that any military would benefit greatly from especially given the historically morale crushing region were fighting this war in right now.
In addition to that we need to start employing more psychologically based warfare considering the suppport the Taliban has from the region. We need to essentially turn the supportive population against them. As for how we do it I have no idea.
If we tame that beast it really serves as a reminder to other more domesticated yet hostile regions not to tempt us.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
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Or we could try not to piss off so many people.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Doc_T]
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Problem is their already pissed off. Pissed off at women pissed off at Zionists pissed off at post modern society... their just really pissed off to the point that I don't think they can ever be counted on as a viable party to work with or trust. The human rights violations in themselves are a valid excuse for the occupation not even taking into consideration the hotbed of terror activity there.
I see it like this. Even if your the instigating party you don't go and slap a predatory animal in the face than go and try to take it to obedience training hoping it will forget. You destroy it. It may not be a morally attractive option but I frankly don't think effective warfare and morality are a commonly mutually exclusive pair to begin with either.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
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I disagree, that sets a terrible precedent.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Doc_T]
#12795800 - 06/24/10 10:24 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its up for them to decide what they do and don't allow in there country, over there they dig opium, so they must view the way we deal with drugs as human rights violations. It all just depends on your point of view
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12795833 - 06/24/10 10:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you kidding me? Forcing women to wear skimasks and not giving them fair equal rights isn't exactly a moral gray area from where I stand.
It's not an issue of lacking an eloquent understanding of their culture. It's that their cultures fucked for reasons far past opium.
As an organization they just hung a 7 year old boy for what they deemed as being a spy less than a month and a half ago.. if you want to explain how I misinterpreted their domestically sound actions be my guest.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12795867 - 06/24/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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actually it is, they have a different culture. Your comments only show how much our cultures differ, nothing more.
Unless your talking about some document the UN has describing what a perfect world should be like
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12795989 - 06/24/10 11:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the record - I run my own business. Not a chance some snot-nosed underling (such as this loser who cried to Rolling Stone magazine - not his boss) is gonna talk shit about my business in the parking lot and keep his job the next day. I've never met an employer who would think twice about canning a loud mouth and/or someone who thinks they own the place (Obama is the president, not d-bag). Obama didn't have to listen to what 'he said' - cuz he didn't say it to Obama, he said it to a MAGAZINE (and not even a news magazine). PS - Patreus supports the timetable pullout ... oopsie!
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12796199 - 06/24/10 11:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: actually it is, they have a different culture. Your comments only show how much our cultures differ, nothing more.
Unless your talking about some document the UN has describing what a perfect world should be like
Hanging pre pubescent children as war criminals is sick. So is anyone who is delusional and detached enough to explain it away as a cultural difference.
By your logic the Holocaust can be explained away as a cultural difference that should be ignored.
All your post proves is how far your willing to argue the point of withdrawing from Afghanistan to the point where you justify the murder of children not even old enough to do long division let alone effectively be a war criminal as the Taliban deemed the boy.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12796219 - 06/24/10 11:56 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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all kinds of fucked up shit happens in the states as well
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12796259 - 06/24/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: all kinds of fucked up shit happens in the states as well
If you care that little why should anything you say be reasonably taken into consideration?
You sound completely devoid and when your points are given the acid test you refer back to the age old moniker of simply not giving a shit.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12796268 - 06/24/10 12:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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who said i didn't care, maybe you just care to much? i mean one of your points was skimasks
its prolly just a cultural thing
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12796276 - 06/24/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did when you stated a few posts above that hanging 7 year olds as war criminals is simply a cultural difference.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12796361 - 06/24/10 12:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pentax Prime said: So when my employee bitches like a girl and tells me I'm doing a bad job I'm supposed to sit down and hear him out? Fuck no, that bitch is hittin the bricks with his pink slip.
your employees point out where you're fucking up so you fire them, I wonder how long until you're out of business, you think that's what obama's goal is, change america into a 3rd world country, Chrystal and Petraeus are not just military commanders, they're also advisers to the president, what exactly is the job of an adviser, it's to tell his employer where he's fucking up
if my employees tell me I'm fucking up, I'm listening to them, those are employees that are looking out for my interests, it's called loyalty
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Tesla]
#12796372 - 06/24/10 12:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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im sure in one of the united states secret prisons a hanging would be a godsend
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12796377 - 06/24/10 12:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pentax Prime said: PS - Patreus supports the timetable pullout ...
of course... surrounding ones self with yes men, who needs the truth when you're tyrannical enough to know you're the only truth and you only need people to agree from then on
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12797151 - 06/24/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, if he'd actually talked to the president, he might still be around. As my entire post said (including the unquoted part) - he was a bitch talking shit in the parking lot to the homeless guy who puts out his own newsletter. I've fired people for less - and believe me, I can find another monkey to answer the phones. Just like Obama found another monkey to do what he is told. Point being, if you are an employee and you talk shit about your employer to a 3rd party (and most of your 'complaints' turn out to be your massive ego talking) - your gonna get retired by your employer. In this case, Obama did him a huge favor - let him resign instead of getting fired. War mongers should be pleased that their boy got away with a handslap instead of a splintered stick up his ass.
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Re: McChrystal asked to resign by Obama over Rolling Stone Article Petraeus to take over in Afganistan [Re: Pentax Prime]
#12797327 - 06/24/10 03:08 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pentax Prime said: Hey, if he'd actually talked to the president, he might still be around. As my entire post said (including the unquoted part) - he was a bitch talking shit in the parking lot to the homeless guy who puts out his own newsletter. I've fired people for less - and believe me, I can find another monkey to answer the phones. Just like Obama found another monkey to do what he is told. Point being, if you are an employee and you talk shit about your employer to a 3rd party (and most of your 'complaints' turn out to be your massive ego talking) - your gonna get retired by your employer. In this case, Obama did him a huge favor - let him resign instead of getting fired. War mongers should be pleased that their boy got away with a handslap instead of a splintered stick up his ass.
I'm honestly skeptical that you own your own company. Every single post since you have registered has been filled with either profanity laden run on paragraphs gay bashing or attacking people for their drug use choices. Fact is plenty of people talk shit on their bosses every day and continue to work steadily and successfully in their chosen field.
So aside from that failed point you would also be better served bringing up legitimate valid opinions regarding the subject matter instead of constantly and from the looks of it insecurely referring back to your experiences as an owner of a business and referring to a five star General as a "bitch" and your alleged employees as "monkeys". If in fact you really do own your own company you strike me as someone who has a serious problem with holding yourself to even marginally the same standard you do other people.
All in all I think any logical adult can agree running one of two military occupations overseas isn't exactly close to "being a monkey answering a phone".
So please if your trying to get a point across here other than the fact that your angry entitled "own your own company" and hate people who disagree with you than please do so with something marginally better than a 5th grade writing level and a teeny bit of self control Optic Shaman.
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Someone is upset ... [Re: Tesla]
#12797458 - 06/24/10 03:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm guessing you're a Republican who is upset that you are severely outnumbered in your own country. Go vote for Palin and try to impress someone else with your dusty old collection of internet insults. PS - I'm in a tax bracket you couldn't find if you sold that trailer and .306 daddy gave ya. I'm sure he'd be proud. Shouldn't it be me complaining about taxes - cuz we both know you are broke ... look at the amount of time you spend here. Lol - ignored.
(PS - I was posting, and actually growing, here when you were in your Elephant diapers)
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I'm actually an Independent who declined to vote last election due to neither having much respect for McCain or Obama...
Also I don't appreciate how your continually bashing me and other members with blind accusations and rants.
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Re: Someone is upset ... [Re: Tesla]
#12831592 - 06/30/10 09:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i know i am late to this little party. i have been following this from day one and i have some food for thought.
do you think mcchrystal said all this intentionally knowing that the war could not be won and he didnt want his name on it any longer and got out before it went totally fubar and obama pulled the troops out?
from that aspect if you think about it is genious. get your name off of a screwed project before it is the last thing that gets stuck to your name?
also i think obama did react a little bit like a fraternity brother getting dissed at a party. definitely not a quality of a top leader.
top generals have been acting like mcchrystal for decades. all of them have been shuffled around to silence thier mouths, nothing more. (im going off of memory on that last statement)
i think obamas ego got in the way on this issue. and there is a gap, obama never has worn a uniform for the armed services, obama didnt go to west point, or even rotc. if you were mcchrystal what would you do?
look up mcchrystals qualifications. i dont see any reason for him not to look down on obama just due to the gap in military experience.
and to whoever said you can always find someone else to answer the phones to replace somebody that is talking bad about your company. you obviously didnt do your homework in this case. a 4 star general that goes out on patrol with his troops in hot zones, is far from a "phone answerer"
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