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Transcending Sanskaras of Lust
    #12789938 - 06/23/10 11:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Does this begin with work on the Muladhara Chakra? Or does lust for the flesh originate from somewhere else?


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790000 - 06/23/10 11:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I've begun to take the tantric approach - just be aware of it, and act accordingly.


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #12790015 - 06/23/10 11:59 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Paul Grilly states that when one begins to meditate, what's immediatley below the surface of the sanskaras becomes evident and fantasies and justifications of those sanskaras become easier to identify with. This is what I am struggling with. It's always been there, but I've dealt with it as a kind of evil. Now I see what it truly is, it becomes easier to act on it.


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790071 - 06/23/10 12:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

lust perpetuates itself, cut the cycle and it'll fade away

from shantideva's way of the bodhisattva:

In this and the worlds to come,
Desire's the parent of all woe:
In this world, killing, bonds, and wounds
And in the next, the hells and other pains

You send your go-betweens, both boy and maid,
With many invitations for the prize,
Avoiding, in the quest, no sin
No deed that brings an ill renown

Nor acts of frightful risk,
Nor loss and ruin of possessions-
All for pleasure and the perfect bliss
That utmost penetrating kiss

Of what in truth is nothing but a heap of bones
Devoid of self, without autonomy!
Is this the only object of desire and lust?
Sooner pass beyond all suffering and grief!

What pains you went to just lift her face,
Her face that modesty looked down,
Which, looked upon or not before,
Was always with a veil concealed

That face for which you languished so...
Well here it is, now nakedly exposed.
The vultures have uncovered it for you to see.
What's this? You run away so soon?

That which you jealously protected,
Shielded from the eyes of other men,
Why, miser that you are, don't you protect it,
Now that it's the food of graveyard birds?

Look, this mass of human flesh,
Is now the fare of carrion beasts-
And you would deck with garlands, sandalwood, and jewels,
The food and provender of others?

Look again, this heap of bones-
Inert and dead. Why, what are you so scared of?
Why did you not fear it when it walked around,
Just like a risen corpse propelled by some strange influence?

You loved it once, when clothed and draped it was.
Well, now it's naked, why do you not want it?
Ah, you say, your need is no more there,
But why did you embrace it all bedecked and covered?

From food, a single source, come equally
The body's filth and nectar of the mouth.
So why are you excited by saliva,
And yet repelled by excrement?

Taking no delight in pillows
Made of cotton soft to touch,
You claim the human form emits no stench.
Befooled by lust, its filth you do not recognize!

Lustful one, befuddled by desire,
Because you cannot copulate with it,
You angrily find fault with cotton,
Soft though it may be to touch!

And if you have no love of filth,
How can you coddle on your lap
A cage of bones tied fast with sinews
Plastered over with the mud of flesh?

In fact you're full of filth yourself:
You wallow in it constantly.
It is indeed just filth that you desire,
And therefore long for other sacks of it!

"But it's the skin and flesh I love
To touch and look upon."
Then why do you not wish for flesh alone,
Inanimate and in its natural state?

The mind that you perhaps desire,
You cannot hold or look upon.
Whatever you can hold or see is not the mind-
Why copulate with something it is not?

To fail to grasp the unclean nature
Of another's flesh is not perhaps so strange.
But not to see the filthy nature
Of oneself is very strange indeed!

Why does the mind, intent on filthiness,
Neglect the fresh young lotus blossom,
Opened in the sunlight of a cloudless sky,
To take joy rather in a sack of dirt?

And since you're disinclined to touch
A place or object grimed with excrement,
Why do you wish to touch the body
Whence such excrement has come?

And if you have no craving for impurity,
Why will you now embrace and kiss
What comes from such an unclean place,
Engendered likewise from an unclean seed?

The tiny fetid worms that come from filth-
You have no love of them.
And yet you're lusting for a human form,
From filth arisen and replete with it.

Toward your own impurity
Disgust you do not feel;
And yearning and athirst for filth,
You long for other sacks of it!

Pleasant substances like camphor,
Rice, and fresh green herbs-
Put them in your mouth and spit them out:
The earth itself is fouled thereby!

If still you doubt such filthiness,
Though it is very plain for all to see,
Go off into the charnel grounds;
Observe the fetid bodies there abandoned.

When their skins are peeled away,
Now feel great horror and revulsion.
Now that you have understood,
How can you still take joy in such a thing?


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: deff]
    #12790142 - 06/23/10 12:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

thanks......
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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790343 - 06/23/10 01:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Lust is my favorite thing to cling to. I think I'll be content with procrastination.


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: auxiliary]
    #12790404 - 06/23/10 01:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug:


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790540 - 06/23/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What's wrong with lust?


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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790587 - 06/23/10 01:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Fraggin said:
Does this begin with work on the Muladhara Chakra? Or does lust for the flesh originate from somewhere else?





i know you practice and teach anusara, a tantric approach to asana.  so, it surprises me that you are concerned with transcending lust. 

like cosmonaut said, why not just recognize it's there?


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: yogabunny]
    #12790667 - 06/23/10 01:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Chakra meditation has seemed to amplify the feelings of it to a level that I've never had to deal with.


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790748 - 06/23/10 02:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hmmmmm


i know it's not easy, but being with the feeling but not reacting to it would seem to be the best practice, methinks.


or just generally spending time with the feeling...what is your meditation trying to teach you by bringing these feelings closer to the surface so you must face them in some way?


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Lion]
    #12790756 - 06/23/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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What's wrong with lust?



The human animal has certain instincts that have been embedded for automation, yet we have a connection to a greater state of awareness. Do you want to be the computer generated video game character, or do you want to be the one holding the controller?


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: yogabunny]
    #12790782 - 06/23/10 02:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Who knows. I have never trusted any emotions motivated by lust.. not since the age of like 14 anyway.... lol..

I'm wondering it it's kundalini in the muladhara trying to ascend...:shrug:

Plus, I want to get it out of the way before I start teaching. I can see it being a real hinderance....


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12790971 - 06/23/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Do you eat meat?


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: soldatheero]
    #12790988 - 06/23/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. Fish and seafood.


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: Fraggin]
    #12791010 - 06/23/10 02:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The sanskaras of the animal are passed into you making you more likely to feel the primitive urges of lust and anger. In turn these make it harder to subdue and control your mind.


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: soldatheero]
    #12791025 - 06/23/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

that's why i've been feeling like a vegetable :sad:


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: soldatheero]
    #12791040 - 06/23/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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The sanskaras of the animal are passed into you making you more likely to feel the primitive urges of lust and anger. In turn these make it harder to subdue and control your mind.




So I should start preparing braized rabbit for the wife.....:yesnod:


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: deff]
    #12791041 - 06/23/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Depending on your spiritual path, there is nothing wrong with indulging lust.  Taken to the point of obsession and interference with the rest of your life, though, you may want to practice moderation.  It's not about completely escaping your animal desires because this is impossible; repression only makes them grow stronger.  Instead recognize them and allow them to take place with a careful eye.

The sensual pleasure women provide,
the joy of wine, the taste of meat:
It's the undoing of fools,
but for the wise, the pathway to salvation.
-kalarnava tantra


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Re: Transcending Sanskaras of Lust [Re: deCypher]
    #12791195 - 06/23/10 03:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah we need to experience our wants\desires in order to overcome them.


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