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 Re: In 2012 lets throw away time!  [Re: Observer]
#1287521 - 02/07/03 04:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well put, observer.
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: MAIA]
#1287618 - 02/07/03 05:00 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Donde estas ?
haha
Sorry MAIA, my Spanish goes as far as "si" ... English please!
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johnnyfive
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: Phluck]
#1287953 - 02/07/03 06:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Planet X is crock
What is planet X, ive heard alot of stuff, but i just don't what to believe when it comes to a planet approaching?
It would certainly make sense in some ways, but some not.
Can i get mulitple opinons?
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: johnnyfive]
#1287967 - 02/07/03 06:54 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wouldn't we need time for artificial intelligence, nano technology, and free energy machines and engines.
just thought of that one!:)
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: johnnyfive]
#1288351 - 02/07/03 09:41 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Browse this sites,
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Enjoy, some say it's all bulshit, others say some are bulshit and others already have a private hole ready for D-Day !
MAIA
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 Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: the_Landotter]
#1288359 - 02/07/03 09:43 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Where are you ?"
MAIA
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the_Landotter
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: MAIA]
#1288380 - 02/07/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ohhh, donde ESTas! I git it...
Calgary. Alberta. Canada.
I was only joking bout the party. See, my cell is having a big orgy the night before, synchronized with the crisis point in the Timewave. The fact that it falls right on my birth day and time is only coincidence ... ?
Anyways, I'm not sure they'd be keen on a naked Shroomerite stranger showing up. No offense, MAIA, I'm sure you're quite lovely.
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: the_Landotter]
#1288806 - 02/07/03 12:17 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok then whats causing the planetary wobble of the outer planets of our solar system a large hevenly body maybe. I even remember reading somewhere that nasa admited that there is larg amount of matter on the outskirts of oursolar system even bigg enough to effect thoes planets orbits. As for goodbye world in 2003 I could easly see that possible with blair, bush and saddam.
As for 2012 well technology is advancing a lot faster than we realise just look at computers they are advancing to stupid speeds over the course of the last 30 years, they are more or less doubleing speed each year, and soon new technologies will start to emerge like quantom computers. Then there is the shift in the magnetic poles, which does happen because we have observed it happen to other planets in the solar system.
Not forgetting we are getting computers to design stuff as well that we dont realy understand the working of. Then there is over population, were soon to be running out of resources so it will be another easter island. Also Penacilin is no longer working so viruses will be getting out of countrol, so the end IS near. I know it sounds doom and gloom but there is little anyone of us can do. There is also probably stuff we dont even know about that we could add to the list like astroids, ect.
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 Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: EvilGir]
#1289302 - 02/07/03 03:33 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by sever (07/17/06 04:31 PM)
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: johnnyfive]
#1289348 - 02/07/03 03:47 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone keep in mind it isnt JUST the mayan calander that ends in 2012. The I ching also ends on the same date. Mckenna was trying to de-code the I Ching(sp?) and he seemed to stumble onto a way to view rise and fall in novelty in the past and future. I'm not to sure I understand the concept of novelty yet. Anyway he wrote a program somehow that figures the possibillities of the I ching and gives a graph or something. I think it's part of his timewave theory.
Here is a link to some mp3's of McKenna talking. If you go to the tree of knowledge series he explains how he does it for you. I think he starts talking about it about the 5th one but you might as well just listen to the whole thing. Mckenna MP3s
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Thanks for the link to all those speeches, I hadn't seen that one before. BTW does anyone listen to Coast to Coast AM? They talk about paranormal occurences and what-not. I've heard a ton about Planet X, Raelians, 2012, abductions, they even had a show on how mushrooms affected the formation of religions! It plays all over the US every night so check it out everybody!
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: sever]
#1289676 - 02/07/03 06:43 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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woah maybe your brain is used to you putting cds into your alarm/player and the dream was triggered by it being roughly the time you normally are awoken by this alarm/player.. I have dreams about waking up quite often, and they're usually right before its time to wake up.
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: MAIA]
#1291046 - 02/08/03 12:21 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the link Maia 
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 Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: Nomad]
#1293499 - 02/09/03 11:18 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I think the most important problem is that the psilocybe species gives absolutely no hint that it is poisonous. If you look, for example, into the amanita species, you will find lots of weird shapes and colors, which, for an animal, can serve as trigger for the conditioned unpleasant memory of being poisoned. A psilocybe, on the other hand, looks like the archetypal mushroom, absolutely nothing special about it. An animal would probably have to stop eating any mushrooms in order to avoid psilocybes.
Aren't there lots of poisonous mushrooms that don't have obvious clues of being deadly/dangerous?
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Another problem is that psilocybin is really not a very effective poison. It is never deadly, and it is actually less effective on "lower" animals, and more effective on "higher" animals, like monkeys and humans (related to brain size, I think). This means that the deer will not trip hard, anyway. All he will probably get is a little euphoria and some colours. And since psilocybin impairs memory, it is unlikely that the animal will even remember what it has eaten before.
How do you know it is less effective on "lower" animals? I'm not saying you're wrong, but where did you read this? What causes the horrible nausea I get when I eat shrooms? It feels like I'm poisoning myself everytime I've done it.
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Finally, some psilocybe species are coprophilous (sp?), which means that they grow in shit. Being eaten by animals is actually an evolutionary advantage for them, since the spores survive digestion.
True, but as you said, only some psilocybe species do this. What about the ones that don't grow in feces but still contain psilocybin? Doesn't this imply a use for psilocybin in the fungus other than being there for consumption by animals (including us)?
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: Nomad]
#1304849 - 02/13/03 05:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Imagine you were a deer wandering around and you ate some of these psychoactive mushrooms. You continue your journey and after a little while you start to feel uneasy/restless, and nauseous (basically poisoned). Then all these disorienting perceptions in color and space start happening to the point where you can't function correctly - if a predator came by you probably wouldn't get away in time and finding more food now is virtually impossible. Animals eventually would catch a clue to stay away from those "poisonous" mushrooms, thus ensuring their health/life and now the mushrooms will be left alone to propagate themselves. I don't believe 'shrooms cause their effects so they will be eaten, but rather as a deterrant for "less-analytical" species. Humans purposely do it and interpret the experience in a divine way, that's all.
Well, I think the most important problem is that the psilocybe species gives absolutely no hint that it is poisonous. If you look, for example, into the amanita species, you will find lots of weird shapes and colors, which, for an animal, can serve as trigger for the conditioned unpleasant memory of being poisoned. A psilocybe, on the other hand, looks like the archetypal mushroom, absolutely nothing special about it. An animal would probably have to stop eating any mushrooms in order to avoid psilocybes.
Another problem is that psilocybin is really not a very effective poison. It is never deadly, and it is actually less effective on "lower" animals, and more effective on "higher" animals, like monkeys and humans (related to brain size, I think). This means that the deer will not trip hard, anyway. All he will probably get is a little euphoria and some colours. And since psilocybin impairs memory, it is unlikely that the animal will even remember what it has eaten before.
Finally, some psilocybe species are coprophilous (sp?), which means that they grow in shit. Being eaten by animals is actually an evolutionary advantage for them, since the spores survive digestion. Posionous amanitas, for contrast, grow in symbiosis with trees, which means that being eaten and transmitted to another place by an animal is not likely to be an advantage for them.
Well i must agree with Nomad on this one.
Plus the apparent effects of eating the psilocybes that has absolutly nothing to do with some deranged brainstate induced by a poison.
The problem arises beacuse it is not clear what we all are talking about.
From what i extract from many peoples posts here on the forum the "psychedelic experience" or the psilocybin experience seems to be an experience that has nothing to do with the true potential of the mushroom.
Dont misunderstand me here - i extract the opposite of many posts aswell.
If everyone talking about the experience have eaten- lets say 5grams in silent darkness on an empty stomach- (an example for people who want to know what im talking about) then i think we can start having a kinda more sophisticated discussion.
The mushroom provides manymanymanymanymanymany states of counscoiusness, you can call for one, and it will give you it, you can be swept away into the most bizare things you have ever seen, to the most crazy-theworldbeings dripped appart and dripped awya into an ocean.
or you can have a somewhat pleasant ride into the unfolding cosmos of your interior communication with a bunch of intelligent beings from another starsystem - including angels, spirits, demons, gods, animals, what have you..
A communication-device designed for tapping into the manymany worlds available to us as intelligent communicating beings, and the ones tapped into the mushroom and the selfreflecting-all knowing cosmos that we each are a part of.
I see the mushroom as a kind of internet, just that the informatin supplied does not just have to do with the planet earth and the human oversoul.
Its also tapped into the oversoul of many other species and all kind of communities and intelligences from here to there, and within yourself as an endless microcosmos.
These kinds of shamanic experience are ready and available.
Eat the mushroom, lay down, close your eyes
And its not really my idea of the effects of a "poison"
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: LucidDreams]
#1304877 - 02/13/03 05:59 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Eat the mushroom, lay down, close your eyes"
right-on
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: johnnyfive]
#1306891 - 02/13/03 11:37 PM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL....only in a place where people are on hallucinogenics and whatnot.....besides the loony bin....could I find people seriously having loopy zany wacky conversations lol....ahh I love it....LONG LIVE THE SHROOMERY! AMEN!
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: Observer]
#1307243 - 02/14/03 04:15 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aren't there lots of poisonous mushrooms that don't have obvious clues of being deadly/dangerous?
Not sure. I think the deadly ones have visible clues, and the dominant non-deadly posion is muscarin, mostly produced by amanitas. I think a posionous mushroom with absolutely no visible clue, not even red colour, is rare. But I'm not sure at all, as I'm no expert on mushroom hunting. Mr Mushrooms seems to be, maybe he will give us his take?
How do you know it is less effective on "lower" animals? I'm not saying you're wrong, but where did you read this?
Can't remember. I'm pretty sure the LD50 for rats is higher than the LD50 for humans, but I coudn't find anything online. It's a bad argument, anyway, because the rat needs less shrooms overall, just more per bodyweight.
What causes the horrible nausea I get when I eat shrooms? It feels like I'm poisoning myself everytime I've done it.
On fresh ones, too? The nausea seems to be higher on dried shrooms. If psilocin is more effective as a poison than psilocybin, this would lead to the question why the mushroom does not produce psilocin in the first place?
What about the ones that don't grow in feces but still contain psilocybin? Doesn't this imply a use for psilocybin in the fungus other than being there for consumption by animals (including us)?
I don't argue that the mushroom produces psilocybin for consumption by animals. It produces psilocybin for consumption by humans. Being the dominant species, we are bound to produce a lot of coevolution, from dogs to grain to rats. Prehistoric nomadic human tribes must have been perfect for scattering spores. And the mushroom cult is amazingly ancient and amazingly widespread. I find it hard to believe that absolutely no coevolution should have happened.
Want to start a new thread?
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: johnnyfive]
#1307410 - 02/14/03 05:32 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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Someone kill this post, i must have been high when i wrote it. I must have then thinkin of our linear concepts of time. i realize that we need a measureable pace time to measure somethings.
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Re: In 2012 lets throw away time! [Re: LucidDreams]
#1307880 - 02/14/03 09:33 AM (21 years, 7 months ago) |
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The mushroom provides manymanymanymanymanymany states of counscoiusness, you can call for one, and it will give you it, you can be swept away into the most bizare things you have ever seen, to the most crazy-theworldbeings dripped appart and dripped awya into an ocean.
or you can have a somewhat pleasant ride into the unfolding cosmos of your interior communication with a bunch of intelligent beings from another starsystem - including angels, spirits, demons, gods, animals, what have you..
A communication-device designed for tapping into the manymany worlds available to us as intelligent communicating beings, and the ones tapped into the mushroom and the selfreflecting-all knowing cosmos that we each are a part of.
Holy shit... 
Let me quote that again...
The mushroom provides manymanymanymanymanymany states of counscoiusness, you can call for one, and it will give you it, you can be swept away into the most bizare things you have ever seen, to the most crazy-theworldbeings dripped appart and dripped awya into an ocean.
or you can have a somewhat pleasant ride into the unfolding cosmos of your interior communication with a bunch of intelligent beings from another starsystem - including angels, spirits, demons, gods, animals, what have you..
A communication-device designed for tapping into the manymany worlds available to us as intelligent communicating beings, and the ones tapped into the mushroom and the selfreflecting-all knowing cosmos that we each are a part of.
Indeed, that's the best argument. The mushroom is not a poison, because a poison fucks you up. It makes you drunk, like alcohol does. The fly agaric makes you drunk. Even weed, in a certain way, makes you drunk. The mushroom is nothing of this sort - this is outer space, an entirely different universe. Except for the first half of an hour or so, you do not feel poisoned, you feel at home. Psilocybin is like a key which unlocks the brain. I mean, it just fits.
The best evidence for some serious evolutional business. To me, anyway.
Edited by Nomad (02/14/03 09:40 AM)
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