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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: I AM SWIM]
#12796484 - 06/24/10 12:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Proof please that some person never ever gives. I doubt you sincerely.
The proof is in the doin'
thangs.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#12796504 - 06/24/10 12:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think Kierkgard and Nietzsche approved of the doin' thangs philosophy.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#12796726 - 06/24/10 01:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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the bizzle said: sounds more like arguing for the sake of arguing to me
I forgot people in these debate-oriented forums focus more on the semantics of what you are saying than what is actually being expressed, because it's much easier to single out a particular sentence, take it too literally, and focus on how it is incorrect. You might as well focus on my grammar... otherwise, this isn't even a discussion, just a waiting game to insult the other person
Thanks for the self justifying blather. It really helps.
you accused me of black-and-white thinking
then proved yourself to think far too black-and-white, to even open yourself to what I was trying to express, which is far different from taking everything literally, especially when you focus on THE least accurate (in terms of being literal) of my statements.
I can't argue with you, you are too black-and-white
You win.
Congratulations
the Kontest is settled
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: the bizzle]
#12797177 - 06/24/10 02:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not surprising.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#12797192 - 06/24/10 02:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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TEST YOUR KOMPASSION
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander] 1
#12797214 - 06/24/10 02:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Being compassionate to yourself with the intellect as a guide can result in a genuinely unkind manifestation when the intellect isn't satisfied with the result. And most likely the discomfort will be projected outward too.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Kickle]
#12797236 - 06/24/10 02:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Kickle]
#12797377 - 06/24/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Being compassionate to yourself with the intellect as a guide can result in a genuinely unkind manifestation when the intellect isn't satisfied with the result. And most likely the discomfort will be projected outward too.
If the intellect isn't satisfied then it's function needs correction.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Kickle]
#12798264 - 06/24/10 05:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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What if thats an ascended master who decided to appear there, as a bum, asking for money? What if he/she's just testing you and you didn't even know it?
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Kickle said: Being compassionate to yourself with the intellect as a guide can result in a genuinely unkind manifestation when the intellect isn't satisfied with the result. And most likely the discomfort will be projected outward too.
If the intellect isn't satisfied then it's function needs correction.
True compassion is unconditional.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#12799696 - 06/24/10 09:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Being compassionate to yourself with the intellect as a guide can result in a genuinely unkind manifestation when the intellect isn't satisfied with the result. And most likely the discomfort will be projected outward too.
If the intellect isn't satisfied then it's function needs correction.
Yeah we agree on this. But finding the alternative to the self-centered ego as a drive for intellect is a tall order. Many think that if they're not gaining from their intellect, what's the point in using it?
Ever hear the student who says, "Why do I need to learn this? I will never use it for anything." As an individual student that might be very true, nothing may be gained from the knowledge. If the student then ceases to be receptive because the intellect sees nothing of worth in the teachings, it's a guarantee. And it would be a good teacher who could convince the young intellect of the worth of these teachings. But if the ego wasn't the guide, knowledge would be learned when the opportunity arose, regardless of whether or not it believed something was gained. Even if the student happens to learn the material despite their desire not to, it's highly doubtful that they will freely pass it on. Why teach what you think is useless? The intellect is largely ego-centric, no?
I'm convinced you already are aware of this. It's just elongations on my end. Reading material.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Kickle]
#12799793 - 06/24/10 09:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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We'll you're right imo but it's the only good chance/tool we have as far as my investigation has gone. Everything springs from our rational evaluation of our predicament. Think about that and you will see what I'm saying. Even the idea of surrender comes from logical thought. Logic is never opposed to our ultimate happiness.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#12799839 - 06/24/10 10:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said: We'll you're right imo but it's the only good chance/tool we have as far as my investigation has gone. Everything springs from our rational evaluation of our predicament. Think about that and you will see what I'm saying. Even the idea of surrender comes from logical thought. Logic is never opposed to our ultimate happiness.
I see it more as a filter that just complicates the whole matter. I find that the instinct I have, before I ever have a chance to assess what, how, why, etc, is often much more accurate. Everything else is second-guessing my instincts, trying to attach reasons to confirm why they are or aren't. Sometimes, you just know --- in your gut. It's when you try to explain to yourself how, what, or why it is you know what you know, that it becomes distorted
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: the bizzle]
#12799877 - 06/24/10 10:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whatever floats your boat but I think you don't realize that you use your logical abilities for every act. Your logic is what determined your post and this response. The better you get with it the better things go. That's been my experience, but it is difficult because we've never really been taught how to use our logical abilities in relation to our emotions. And that is always the stick point imo.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#12800068 - 06/24/10 10:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said: We'll you're right imo but it's the only good chance/tool we have as far as my investigation has gone. Everything springs from our rational evaluation of our predicament. Think about that and you will see what I'm saying. Even the idea of surrender comes from logical thought. Logic is never opposed to our ultimate happiness.
Clearly we didn't have the same lecturer for Logic 101
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AtomicShroom98 said: What if thats an ascended master who decided to appear there, as a bum, asking for money? What if he/she's just testing you and you didn't even know it?
I'd say you'd be screwed
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: blinkybill]
#12801373 - 06/25/10 07:40 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said: We'll you're right imo but it's the only good chance/tool we have as far as my investigation has gone. Everything springs from our rational evaluation of our predicament. Think about that and you will see what I'm saying. Even the idea of surrender comes from logical thought. Logic is never opposed to our ultimate happiness.
Clearly we didn't have the same lecturer for Logic 101
I could tell that right away.
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: Kickle]
#12801419 - 06/25/10 08:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like the OP
Sometimes when i meet a homeless person my heart just bleeds Sometimes if they ask for money ill just abruptly say NO, seemingly uncompassionately
I just trust that the correct reaction will come in the moment (for everything)
Being compassionate to everyone isn't necessarily being 'nice' to everyone Being compassionate imo is to provide whatever is needed in that moment for truth to unfold, rather than perpetuate a lie
A line that sticks in my mind is 'the only compassionate way to deal with a lie, is to tell the truth'
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Re: Intellectual Compassion [Re: the bizzle]
#12801714 - 06/25/10 10:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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some people PLAN on asking, for the rest of their lives, and would never ever give anything to anyone else who asked. In fact, they pretty much expect this to take care of them always
I'm curious as to how you know that some people PLAN to always take and never give back.
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it was a figure of speech. it was also by far the least relevant or important part of that post. I didn't mean it literally. When you single out that sentence, I can't even figure out what I meant by it. I know what I was getting at, which was nothing 100% literally accurate... I did say I was having difficulty expressing the fine line between asking and stealing...or SOMETHING. Re-read that post if you really want to try to see what I was trying to get at. Semantics aside, I know I did make some valid points
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