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Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs"
#12771181 - 06/19/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yet smokes like $200 worth of chronic every week.
But "it's all good man cuz weed is from tha earth ya dig"
This ridiculously potent hydroponically grown new weed that everyone is smoking is not fucking natural. That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771195 - 06/19/10 10:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some people are stupid. When I figured out I'd been lied to and weed wasn't bad it opened my mind all the way, I questioned everything. But some people seem like they're enlightened when they're really douches like this guy you're talking about.
Nothin wrong with some potent cheeba though!
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Glenners]
#12771203 - 06/19/10 10:15 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything is natural, depending on how deep you want to dig into the chemistry.
Just as Mr. Sagan said: "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe."
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: ShockValue]
#12771231 - 06/19/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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precisely.
my question would be, what isn't natural?
isn't natural simply...isn't.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771242 - 06/19/10 10:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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When people say that, it's a cue for me to slowly burn the bridge that exists between us.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771272 - 06/19/10 10:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: When people say that, it's a cue for me to slowly burn the bridge that exists between us.
hahah
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771322 - 06/19/10 10:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: This ridiculously potent hydroponically grown new weed that everyone is smoking is not fucking natural.
excuse me
what is not natural about it?
it came from the earth, the nutrients and water used to grow it came from the earth, as did the lights, and the c02 that was supplemented, also came from the earth.
i dont see anything unnatural
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771338 - 06/19/10 10:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Give him a death cap to munch on. They are natural.
hey mang, my internal organs are shutting down. Its great tho cuz its natural.
Maybe some datura to smoke?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771341 - 06/19/10 10:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FatChicksNcoke said:
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morrowasted said: This ridiculously potent hydroponically grown new weed that everyone is smoking is not fucking natural.
excuse me
what is not natural about it?
it came from the earth, the nutrients and water used to grow it came from the earth, as did the lights, and the c02 that was supplemented, also came from the earth.
i dont see anything unnatural
i said everything that i needed to say in post #1
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12771346 - 06/19/10 10:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: Give him a death cap to munch on. They are natural.
hey mang, my internal organs are shutting down. Its great tho cuz its natural.
Death caps do not get you high.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: muistrue]
#12771355 - 06/19/10 10:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Totally missed the point.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771357 - 06/19/10 10:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard
this all you said, i just see an opinion and NO informative stance
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771360 - 06/19/10 10:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Totally missed the point.
Exactly. I still don't get it.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: muistrue]
#12771362 - 06/19/10 10:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Natural is not necessarily good, unnatural is not necessarily bad. That's it.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: muistrue]
#12771372 - 06/19/10 10:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalDust said:
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nice1 said: Give him a death cap to munch on. They are natural.
hey mang, my internal organs are shutting down. Its great tho cuz its natural.
Death caps do not get you high.
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FractalDust said:
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Poid said: Totally missed the point.
Exactly. I still don't get it.
the general consensus in this situation being that if its natural its safe.
the point was that death caps are natural, but if you eat them, you die, so they are not safe.
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771374 - 06/19/10 10:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FatChicksNcoke said:
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morrowasted said: That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard
this all you said, i just see an opinion and NO informative stance
If I felt like it would be meaningful to take the time to elaborate further I would
but I assume everyone here is already smarter than that
so I won't waste my time
either way I dont care. if you dont wanna do LSD please be my guest. more for me
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771376 - 06/19/10 10:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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the word natural is completely ambiguous.
look up the word ambiguous.
that ought to answer all of your questions
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771379 - 06/19/10 10:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said:
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FatChicksNcoke said:
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morrowasted said: That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard
this all you said, i just see an opinion and NO informative stance
If I felt like it would be meaningful to take the time to elaborate further I would
but I assume everyone here is already smarter than that
so I won't waste my time
either way I dont care. if you dont wanna do LSD please be my guest. more for me
i love lsd, i dont discriminate against the supposedly 'unnatural'
either way, well put, sir.
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: muistrue]
#12771387 - 06/19/10 10:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, they don't get you high But they sure will kill ya' in a jiffy
As opposed to 'un-natural' substances that just get you high without serious damage when used responsibly
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FatChicksNcoke said: the general consensus in this situation being that if its natural its safe.
the point was that death caps are natural, but if you eat them, you die, so they are not safe.
Exactly
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12771395 - 06/19/10 11:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Natural is not necessarily good, unnatural is not necessarily bad. That's it.
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the word natural is completely ambiguous.
the duality of good and bad is completely ambiguous.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: muistrue]
#12771400 - 06/19/10 11:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FractalDust said:
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nice1 said: Give him a death cap to munch on. They are natural.
hey mang, my internal organs are shutting down. Its great tho cuz its natural.
Death caps do not get you high.
Eat enough of them and you'll see God.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#12771407 - 06/19/10 11:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said:
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FractalDust said: Death caps do not get you high.
Eat enough of them and you'll see God.
I guess that works, too
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: RiverRat427]
#12771487 - 06/19/10 11:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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greenspectral said:
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Poid said: Natural is not necessarily good, unnatural is not necessarily bad. That's it.
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the word natural is completely ambiguous.
the duality of good and bad is completely ambiguous.
whos dueling???
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RiverRat427 said:
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Baby_Hitler said:
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FractalDust said: Death caps do not get you high.
Eat enough of them and you'll see God.
I guess that works, too
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771609 - 06/20/10 12:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Yea...when someone talks shit to me for an hour and uses alot of profanity i tend to give them 0 stars for it...but i guess you think that has no bearing on this situation.Thank you for NOT giving me the same rights everyone else has in the voting system,but i honestly could'nt care less.FUCK YOU ALL!!!!!
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Nelson4207]
#12771649 - 06/20/10 12:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guys, everything is natural. Otherwise it couldnt happen
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: mantis90]
#12771725 - 06/20/10 12:37 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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greenspectral said: my question would be, what isn't natural?
isn't natural simply...isn't.
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mantis90 said: Guys, everything is natural. Otherwise it couldnt happen
so i'm guessing you didn't read the thread very well...
now would you like to interject something new to the conversation? or just keep regurgitating points already made, and make it seem like it was your original input that no one had yet considered or stated?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: greenspectral]
#12771748 - 06/20/10 12:45 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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greenspectral said:
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greenspectral said: my question would be, what isn't natural?
isn't natural simply...isn't.
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mantis90 said: Guys, everything is natural. Otherwise it couldnt happen
so i'm guessing you didn't read the thread very well...
now would you like to interject something new to the conversation? or just keep regurgitating points already made, and make it seem like it was your original input that no one had yet considered or stated?
dude....
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771760 - 06/20/10 12:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FatChicksNcoke said:
dude....
...i can sometimes be a bit...sardonic.
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teknix
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771763 - 06/20/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's more of a question of natural (complex) vs synthetic compounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound
Natural compounds Natural compounds refer to those that are produced by plants or animals. Many of these are still extracted from natural sources because they would be far too expensive to be produced artificially. Examples include most sugars, some alkaloids and terpenoids, certain nutrients such as vitamin B12, and in general, those natural products with large or stereoisometrically complicated molecules present in reasonable concentrations in living organisms.
Further compounds of prime importance in biochemistry are antigens, carbohydrates, enzymes, hormones, lipids and fatty acids, neurotransmitters, nucleic acids, proteins, peptides and amino acids, lectins, vitamins and fats and oils.
(usually relatively minor side effect)
Synthetic compounds Compounds that are prepared by reaction of other compounds are referred to as "synthetic". They may be either compounds that already are found in plants or animals (semi synthetic compounds), or those that do not occur naturally.
Many polymers (a category which includes all plastics), are organic compounds. A notable exception is silicone, which is both a polymer and a plastic, but which contains silicon instead of carbon, and is therefore not an organic compound by any definition.
(Plethora of harmful side effects.)
Pretty simple.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: greenspectral]
#12771767 - 06/20/10 12:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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greenspectral said:
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FatChicksNcoke said:
dude....
...i can sometimes be a bit...sardonic.
im still laughing, so whatever type of humor that is, it worked
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771775 - 06/20/10 12:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: It's more of a question of natural (complex) vs synthetic compounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound
Natural compounds Natural compounds refer to those that are produced by plants or animals. Many of these are still extracted from natural sources because they would be far too expensive to be produced artificially. Examples include most sugars, some alkaloids and terpenoids, certain nutrients such as vitamin B12, and in general, those natural products with large or stereoisometrically complicated molecules present in reasonable concentrations in living organisms.
Further compounds of prime importance in biochemistry are antigens, carbohydrates, enzymes, hormones, lipids and fatty acids, neurotransmitters, nucleic acids, proteins, peptides and amino acids, lectins, vitamins and fats and oils.
(usually relatively minor side effect)
Synthetic compounds Compounds that are prepared by reaction of other compounds are referred to as "synthetic". They may be either compounds that already are found in plants or animals (semi synthetic compounds), or those that do not occur naturally.
Many polymers (a category which includes all plastics), are organic compounds. A notable exception is silicone, which is both a polymer and a plastic, but which contains silicon instead of carbon, and is therefore not an organic compound by any definition.
(Plethora of harmful side effects.)
Pretty simple.
thank you
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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teknix
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771780 - 06/20/10 12:58 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which I think it to be a pretty good argument if you're a marijuana activist.
It really draws a line.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771782 - 06/20/10 12:59 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771787 - 06/20/10 01:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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What are you talking about poid?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771788 - 06/20/10 01:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771830 - 06/20/10 01:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: What are you talking about poid?
dont pay attention to him, he just mimics, as most parrots do...
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771842 - 06/20/10 01:33 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771858 - 06/20/10 01:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The more that people speak about their use of the other drugs, it can be used to further their point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_drug_theory
There are variations of this theory.
Several different hypotheses have been called "gateway" theories in popular discourse. These include (but are not limited to):
The gateway substance causes users to be at increased risk for abuse of other substances.[citation needed]
The gateway substance primes the brain for addiction to other substances (independent of becoming more likely to try other substances).[citation needed]
A rigid sequence of progression, starting with illicit drugs followed by (increasingly dangerous) illicit ones.[citation needed]
The gateway effect is pharmacological, rather than socially constructed.
This makes that work against us.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771860 - 06/20/10 01:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything is a gateway to something else.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771862 - 06/20/10 01:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats heroin a gateway to?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771865 - 06/20/10 01:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Everything is a gateway to something else.
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teknix said: Whats heroin a gateway to?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771867 - 06/20/10 01:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obviously depends on the person.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771872 - 06/20/10 01:55 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Indeed
"Reality" in general, tends to be highly subjective Drug usage and habits even more so
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: RiverRat427]
#12771890 - 06/20/10 02:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Whats heroin a gateway to?
addiction
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771896 - 06/20/10 02:05 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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or methadone
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12771902 - 06/20/10 02:07 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: or methadone
thats the next gateway over
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12771903 - 06/20/10 02:07 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Addiction has to come before methadone dude.
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nice1 said: Then methadone.
^.^
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12771906 - 06/20/10 02:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FatChicksNcoke said:
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nice1 said: or methadone
thats the next gateway over
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771921 - 06/20/10 02:15 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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We spend our existance addicted.
From the first time I cried because my mother pulled me away from her tit.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12771924 - 06/20/10 02:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Correlation does not necessarily = causation.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771927 - 06/20/10 02:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haven't ever seen weed do this to someone.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771928 - 06/20/10 02:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Whats heroin a gateway to?
Sweet, sweet bliss. Duh.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771932 - 06/20/10 02:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Haven't ever seen weed do this to someone.
Gotta love drug propaganda.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771936 - 06/20/10 02:21 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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That shit happens to people IRL, I've seen it more than once.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771939 - 06/20/10 02:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've seen it happen to people also. I've also seen it not happen to people who use meth.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771954 - 06/20/10 02:35 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyways . . .
Back to the original argument, is there / should there, be a dividing line betweens natural and synthetic drugs?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771957 - 06/20/10 02:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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No.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771972 - 06/20/10 02:44 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is an obvious difference with all the evidence provided, do you really need more?
Do you want some pics of a guy that get stoned Cause/Effect?
All you have to do is look around.
I have a lady in my class who is obviously suffering from nerve damage, from an addiction, not to mention the chemical burn marks on her arms.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771977 - 06/20/10 02:47 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12771985 - 06/20/10 02:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Natural drugs are not necessarily safer than synthetic drugs.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12771989 - 06/20/10 02:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12772030 - 06/20/10 03:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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We've established the word natural is rediculous.
As for organic VS synthetic, they are the same. A scientist will tell you that pure extracted DMT is exactly the same as synthetic DMT.
Both were made. One by a plants genetic lab, one by humans in an actual lab.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12772045 - 06/20/10 03:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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A substance can be both complex and synthetic.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12772099 - 06/20/10 03:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Eh? Whats that sposed to mean?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12772140 - 06/20/10 04:21 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Yet smokes like $200 worth of chronic every week.
But "it's all good man cuz weed is from tha earth ya dig"
This ridiculously potent hydroponically grown new weed that everyone is smoking is not fucking natural. That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard
I agree about the weed thing. The only reason there is (besides health issues, potentially) to prefer natural over synthetic is a feeling that the character of the substance is somehow more accurate, or more "destined to be", if you will, for the human perception of what the world really is, pr the experience that life itself intends.
In the case of chronic, the chemical makeup is off-balance compared to that of the weed that grows from the earth. So there very well might be something less "true" about the high it provides...
however, if we come back to the "destined to be" concept... anything that is possible, is possible... and it was somehow possible for us to learn how to genetically engineer strains of weed, and to discover new psychoactive chemicals that aren't naturally occurring. So who is to say we weren't meant to explore these things after all?
In a way, by nature of existence itself, they did occur naturally. As naturally as the internet occurred.
But, in the case of something like MDMA, I do feel that there is a lesson to be learned, that that is not the real path to achieve that sort of ecstasy, being as how it is so drug-induced, and that drug is not 100% side-effect free to say the least. In other words, MDMA is sort of a dead-end street in some ways (although I am absolutely fascinated by it), and perhaps so are some other "unnatural drugs"... but hey, who am I to even say, really?
if you really wanted to know, you would at least see for yourself
by his logic, if he owns anything discovered by humans, he needs to be slapped in the face. Personally, I do find that the more natural a substance, the more truth it can reveal to you (even cacti vs. mescaline is a good example)...but at the same time... no harm, no foul. (mdma does cause harm though, if abused)
Being there to experience what was filmed in Planet Earth, live and first-hand, must be infinitely more awesome than watching it on TV, but it's still pretty awesome to watch it on tv.
the real issue shouldn't be natural vs. synthetic, but whether something makes you more or less humble and healthy of a person, imo.
Besides, a person's intent is probably the most important aspect of all this anyway. One man's "fucked up" is another man's holy experience
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: the bizzle]
#12772165 - 06/20/10 04:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those natural drugs are filled with CHEMICALS
AMAGAWD
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Beanhead]
#12772177 - 06/20/10 04:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: dusk]
#12772186 - 06/20/10 04:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've done plenty of exploring I believe it is everyones choice what they put into their body, and should be.
But I believe in correctly classifying the differences in these drugs as well.
I think if you think a drug, is a drug, is a drug, than your one of them
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12772400 - 06/20/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything that exists exists in the natural world, everything within the natural world = natural.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: NortonStPhallus]
#12772408 - 06/20/10 07:05 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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NortonStPhallus said: Everything that exists exists in the natural world, everything within the natural world = natural.
let me anwser you with this
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FatChicksNcoke said:
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greenspectral said:
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greenspectral said: my question would be, what isn't natural?
isn't natural simply...isn't.
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mantis90 said: Guys, everything is natural. Otherwise it couldnt happen
so i'm guessing you didn't read the thread very well...
now would you like to interject something new to the conversation? or just keep regurgitating points already made, and make it seem like it was your original input that no one had yet considered or stated?
dude....
dude...
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12772418 - 06/20/10 07:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you like to fuck fat girls while sniffing coke?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12772428 - 06/20/10 07:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: Do you like to fuck fat girls while sniffing coke?
i dont like coke
or fat girls
the name came from when me and my brother were younger as a joke.
I would ask him, "what are you doing tonight?"
and he would reply, "Fat chicks and coke, you know, the usual."
never gets old
-------------------- Shroomism said: biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences. HappyTrippin said: I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own. Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12772704 - 06/20/10 09:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL I'm gonna start using that one.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12772720 - 06/20/10 09:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You guys need to compare doing pot everyday to doing meth or heroin everyday.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12772742 - 06/20/10 09:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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NortonStPhallus said: Everything that exists exists in the natural world, everything within the natural world = natural.
You shoot up a gram of your synthetic drug for every gram of weed I can smoke for a month, and we would see who wins!
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12772754 - 06/20/10 09:37 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You will win as your bloodsteam will be full of carcinogenic chemicals caused by smoking.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12772759 - 06/20/10 09:38 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You would prob OD and die, depending on your poison.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12772766 - 06/20/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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everything is natural... only some things are organic.
While organic things may sometimes be healthier or have more spirit to them (shrooms, dmt, cacti, weed)there are many exceptions (lsd for example). There are also very dangerous natural things (methamphetamine, amphetamine, ephedra). oh and jenkem. and morphine.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12772768 - 06/20/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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No I shoot 1g of DMT everyday and I'm healthier than you, smoker!
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12772786 - 06/20/10 09:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you're shooting DMT you could at least do the decent thing and shoot it into my face. please.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12772799 - 06/20/10 09:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Naturally occurring tryptamine alkaloids (found in various animals, fungi, and plants) are often used by humans for their psychoactive properties.
Thats not purely synthetic.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12772973 - 06/20/10 11:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You shouldn't judge drugs because you think some are organic and some are synthetic.
You should judge each drug independently based on its effects. Instead of calling all "synthetic" drugs bad, learn about each one, try them if want, and then form an opinion. Same goes for these impressive grown from the ground so it has to be good "natural" drugs.
And anyways most drugs are just a mix of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen. They are all made of the same thing.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: The Vapor]
#12772979 - 06/20/10 11:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Vapor said: And anyways most drugs are just a mix of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen. They are all made of the same thing.
You don't want to touch those drugs not made out of atoms. THEY WILL FUCK YOU UP!
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773060 - 06/20/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Naturally occurring tryptamine alkaloids (found in various animals, fungi, and plants) are often used by humans for their psychoactive properties.
Thats not purely synthetic.
Good sir. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. My DMT is synthetic.
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Synthetic • adjective 1 made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product. 2 not genuine.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/synthetic
I believe your qualm is with designer drugs ?
Or is your qualm purely with anything that has been synthesized? You said you like weed so whats your opinion on synthesized THC ?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
#12773087 - 06/20/10 11:43 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Touche, I apologize
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: druqs]
#12773143 - 06/20/10 12:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: NortonStPhallus]
#12773166 - 06/20/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have no qualms, I just see natural and synthetic as distinctly different.
You can believe whatever you want, if you want to experiment with drugs I don't give a shit.
Just don't preach bad habits to youths with developing minds that may be useful in the future.
And as far as desensitizing people to the idea of marijuana, being as harmless as it is, it helps to put it in a catogory that doesn't consist of the most addictive drugs known to man.
I don't blame people for speaking out against the glorification of hard drugs, like meth and heroin.
Yes, they should all be analysed individually, however catagorizing is the 1st step to reclassifying them, instead of clumping them all together, there are obvious differences, which seems like a great place to start.
Edited by teknix (06/20/10 12:15 PM)
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773209 - 06/20/10 12:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just see natural and synthetic as distinctly different.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773229 - 06/20/10 12:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just see natural and synthetic as distinctly different.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773275 - 06/20/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Go smoke some heady jimson weed brah
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: claraclairvoyant]
#12773277 - 06/20/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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druqs said: shoot it into my face. please.
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FUCK you beat me to it!! Haha hahaha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Brugman]
#12773356 - 06/20/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/natural Main Entry: 1nat·u·ral Pronunciation: \ˈna-chə-rəl, ˈnach-rəl\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French naturel, from Latin naturalis of nature, from natura nature
2 a : being in accordance with or determined by nature b : having or constituting a classification based on features existing in nature
Some things can be natural and synthetic, do you understand now?
Copying nature is still part of nature yet it is synthetic because it is a copy, therefore it is both.
natural, synthetic, and natural synthesis.
natural synthesis would be copying of something that the earth naturally grows, on its own. (Unless there is a better word that I am unaware of)
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Brugman]
#12773364 - 06/20/10 12:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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FUCK you beat me to it!! Haha hahaha
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773367 - 06/20/10 12:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prove to me scientifically that a piece of pure synthetic DMT is different from a piece of pure extracted DMT ?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773390 - 06/20/10 01:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you see the overlap in the definitions?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773395 - 06/20/10 01:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you see that your rational has no scientific basis?
What is the mystical difference between organic VS synthetic as you stated?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773402 - 06/20/10 01:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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So humans are part of nature right? We make shit like 2c-e right?
Does that make those drugs we make "natural" or not?
If something is made with parts of nature like carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen does that make it natural regardless of how it got there?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773428 - 06/20/10 01:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I never said anything about organic.
I was talking about complex vs synthetic. Which is very similar, from a different standpoint, as there are complex, synthetic, and synthetically complex mediums.
However it seems you still can't see the differences when drawn out for you.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773437 - 06/20/10 01:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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We are not redefining natural, you can talk to webster about that.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: The Vapor]
#12773442 - 06/20/10 01:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Everything is natural. There are drugs that are designed and drugs that are found occurring without human intervention. One is not necessarily safer or better than the other.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Glenners]
#12773448 - 06/20/10 01:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, you obviously have some reading to do. Unless you care to devote a new word to the current definitions, in which I would use the new word, so your point is still obsolete.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773452 - 06/20/10 01:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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complex, synthetic, and synthetically complex mediums.
What is this gibber and how would it make a "natural" compound different from a natural synthetic one?
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teknix said: I have no qualms, I just see natural and synthetic as distinctly different.
You can believe whatever you want, if you want to experiment with drugs I don't give a shit.
Just don't preach bad habits to youths with developing minds that may be useful in the future.
Yeah you did say it, right here. ^^^^
You see them as different. So whats the difference?
As I stated scientifically there is none.
Meaning you are talking rubbish.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773475 - 06/20/10 01:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: Prove to me scientifically that a piece of pure synthetic DMT is different from a piece of pure extracted DMT ?
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nice1 said: Can you see that your rational has no scientific basis?
What is the mystical difference between organic VS synthetic as you stated?
The electron charge of the atoms for one.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773481 - 06/20/10 01:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I drew you a picture, if your too daft to see reason, then go on your merry way, however my viewpoint remains the same.
I still don't see organic, your talking in circles aimlessly, repeating the same thing after I have answered it. You are under the influence of selective reading.
You don't have to accept my views, however they are what they are.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Rustifer]
#12773524 - 06/20/10 01:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rustifer said: The electron charge of the atoms for one.
Why would the electron charge be different?
Source? Proof?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773534 - 06/20/10 01:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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this debate is so heated it's cooking my nads.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773539 - 06/20/10 01:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just see natural and synthetic as distinctly different.
Your picture fails to answer why though.
Your answers bare no relevance to my question.
If you see them as different, then why? What is your basis for formulating this belief?
If I'm wrong then I'll apologise and enjoy learning new knowledge! If I was gonna make such a statement I would at least provide a reason and some sources of evidence.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773556 - 06/20/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not going to go dig around for it to please someone, go read some books if you want to understand it.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773559 - 06/20/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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This shit comes from shit that has DNA. The building blocks of life.
Consider the bigger point, which is the process involved.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Rustifer]
#12773587 - 06/20/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The burden of proof is on you. I'm not making the claim that there is a difference. I don't believe that there is.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773594 - 06/20/10 01:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prove your shit has dna.
We all know weed does.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773619 - 06/20/10 01:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prove your shit has dna.
OK, you either trolling or insane.
The burden of proof is on you buddy, I'm not the one claiming theres a difference.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: nice1]
#12773636 - 06/20/10 01:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Or both ^.^
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12773702 - 06/20/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The little () is like our hands into nature.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12774394 - 06/20/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Common synthetic drugs versus common natural (as in grown in nature) drugs.
SYNTHETIC (not Synesthetic)
Heroin: Diacetylmorphine Produced by the acetylation of morphine. Its acidic nature lets it pass through the blood-brain barrier more easily.
Side-effects of long-term use: Chronic pain, severe weight loss, possibility of infection via dirty syringes.
LSD: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
Produced by a chemical extraction of LSA from fungus and fine-tuning with other chemicals
Side-effects of long-term use: Insanity.
Ecstasy: Methyldeoxymethamphetamine
Produced from an extraction of the sassafras plant.
Side-effects of long-term use: Depletion and permanent damage of serotonin-producing neurons, causing depression, bipolar disorder, and generalized anxiety disorder.
Meth: Methamphetamine
A fully-synthetic amphetamine.
Side-effects of long-term use: Severe weight loss, bone and tooth decay, violent and erratic behavior, and permanent brain damage.
NATURAL DRUGS
Marijuana: Cannabis sativa or Cannabis indica
Long-term side-effects: No consistent long-term side-effects have been reported, although anecdotal evidence shows a high incidence of long and short-term memory loss.
Cocaine:
Common name for the powdered extract of the coca plant.
Long-term side-effects: Violent and erratic behavior, severe weight loss, degeneration of the mucous membrane, bipolar disorder.
Mushrooms: Psilocybe cubensis
Psychedelic mushrooms are found worldwide.
Long-term side-effects: Insanity.
Morphine:
Extracted from the opium poppy or Papaver somniferum
Long-term side-effects: Identical to heroin.
Nicotine:
Alkaloid produced by the tobacco plant.
Long-term side-effects: Heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, etc.
Alcohol: Ethanol
Yeast produces ethanol as a byproduct from digesting sugar.
Long-term side-effects: Weight loss (or gain), epilepsy, depression, bipolar disorder, violent and erratic behavior, heart disease.
In conclusion, natural and synthetic drugs are equally toxic. Any drug user should educate themselves on the side-effects of their drug(s) of choice before use. The only drug on this list with no known long-term side-effects is marijuana, which is natural, but by no stretch of the imagination should be used to claim that all natural drugs are safe, as the vast majority are just as toxic if not moreso than synthetic drugs.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: the bizzle]
#12775785 - 06/20/10 08:35 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Yet smokes like $200 worth of chronic every week.
But "it's all good man cuz weed is from tha earth ya dig"
This ridiculously potent hydroponically grown new weed that everyone is smoking is not fucking natural. That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard
I agree about the weed thing. The only reason there is (besides health issues, potentially) to prefer natural over synthetic is a feeling that the character of the substance is somehow more accurate, or more "destined to be", if you will, for the human perception of what the world really is, pr the experience that life itself intends.
In the case of chronic, the chemical makeup is off-balance compared to that of the weed that grows from the earth. So there very well might be something less "true" about the high it provides...
however, if we come back to the "destined to be" concept... anything that is possible, is possible... and it was somehow possible for us to learn how to genetically engineer strains of weed, and to discover new psychoactive chemicals that aren't naturally occurring. So who is to say we weren't meant to explore these things after all?
In a way, by nature of existence itself, they did occur naturally. As naturally as the internet occurred.
But, in the case of something like MDMA, I do feel that there is a lesson to be learned, that that is not the real path to achieve that sort of ecstasy, being as how it is so drug-induced, and that drug is not 100% side-effect free to say the least. In other words, MDMA is sort of a dead-end street in some ways (although I am absolutely fascinated by it), and perhaps so are some other "unnatural drugs"... but hey, who am I to even say, really?
if you really wanted to know, you would at least see for yourself
by his logic, if he owns anything discovered by humans, he needs to be slapped in the face. Personally, I do find that the more natural a substance, the more truth it can reveal to you (even cacti vs. mescaline is a good example)...but at the same time... no harm, no foul. (mdma does cause harm though, if abused)
Being there to experience what was filmed in Planet Earth, live and first-hand, must be infinitely more awesome than watching it on TV, but it's still pretty awesome to watch it on tv.
the real issue shouldn't be natural vs. synthetic, but whether something makes you more or less humble and healthy of a person, imo.
Besides, a person's intent is probably the most important aspect of all this anyway. One man's "fucked up" is another man's holy experience
did anybody read this?
not that I said anything super amazing, but I would enjoy some discussion
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: the bizzle]
#12776075 - 06/20/10 09:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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the bizzle said: I agree about the weed thing. The only reason there is (besides health issues, potentially) to prefer natural over synthetic is a feeling that the character of the substance is somehow more accurate, or more "destined to be", if you will, for the human perception of what the world really is, pr the experience that life itself intends.
Not sure what you mean here.
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the bizzle said: In the case of chronic, the chemical makeup is off-balance compared to that of the weed that grows from the earth. So there very well might be something less "true" about the high it provides...
Why do you think it's off balance? It's not like it's physically impossible for nature to create chronic weed.
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the bizzle said: But, in the case of something like MDMA, I do feel that there is a lesson to be learned, that that is not the real path to achieve that sort of ecstasy, being as how it is so drug-induced, and that drug is not 100% side-effect free to say the least. In other words, MDMA is sort of a dead-end street in some ways (although I am absolutely fascinated by it), and perhaps so are some other "unnatural drugs"... but hey, who am I to even say, really?
What is the "real path"? Nothing is 100% side-effect free. Why do you think E is a "dead-end street"? I personally think it has more potential benefits than most non-synthetic drugs.
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the bizzle said: by his logic, if he owns anything discovered by humans, he needs to be slapped in the face. Personally, I do find that the more natural a substance, the more truth it can reveal to you (even cacti vs. mescaline is a good example)...but at the same time... no harm, no foul. (mdma does cause harm though, if abused)
Everything causes harm if abused.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Glenners]
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The Vapor said: And anyways most drugs are just a mix of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen. They are all made of the same thing.
You don't want to touch those drugs not made out of atoms. THEY WILL FUCK YOU UP!
Dark matter?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12776257 - 06/20/10 10:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didnt mean disect some shit I wrote when I was half awake. I mean what are your thoughts, have you ever thought about anything similar
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: the bizzle] 1
#12776269 - 06/20/10 10:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sort of, but then I analyzed them and realized that they don't really make sense.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Synesthetic]
#12776541 - 06/20/10 11:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Synesthetic said: Common synthetic drugs versus common natural (as in grown in nature) drugs.
SYNTHETIC (not Synesthetic)
Heroin: Diacetylmorphine Produced by the acetylation of morphine. Its acidic nature lets it pass through the blood-brain barrier more easily.
Side-effects of long-term use: Chronic pain, severe weight loss, possibility of infection via dirty syringes.
LSD: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
Produced by a chemical extraction of LSA from fungus and fine-tuning with other chemicals
Side-effects of long-term use: Insanity.
Ecstasy: Methyldeoxymethamphetamine
Produced from an extraction of the sassafras plant.
Side-effects of long-term use: Depletion and permanent damage of serotonin-producing neurons, causing depression, bipolar disorder, and generalized anxiety disorder.
Meth: Methamphetamine
A fully-synthetic amphetamine.
Side-effects of long-term use: Severe weight loss, bone and tooth decay, violent and erratic behavior, and permanent brain damage.
NATURAL DRUGS
Marijuana: Cannabis sativa or Cannabis indica
Long-term side-effects: No consistent long-term side-effects have been reported, although anecdotal evidence shows a high incidence of long and short-term memory loss.
Cocaine:
Common name for the powdered extract of the coca plant.
Long-term side-effects: Violent and erratic behavior, severe weight loss, degeneration of the mucous membrane, bipolar disorder.
Mushrooms: Psilocybe cubensis
Psychedelic mushrooms are found worldwide.
Long-term side-effects: Insanity.
Morphine:
Extracted from the opium poppy or Papaver somniferum
Long-term side-effects: Identical to heroin.
Nicotine:
Alkaloid produced by the tobacco plant.
Long-term side-effects: Heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, etc.
Alcohol: Ethanol
Yeast produces ethanol as a byproduct from digesting sugar.
Long-term side-effects: Weight loss (or gain), epilepsy, depression, bipolar disorder, violent and erratic behavior, heart disease.
In conclusion, natural and synthetic drugs are equally toxic. Any drug user should educate themselves on the side-effects of their drug(s) of choice before use. The only drug on this list with no known long-term side-effects is marijuana, which is natural, but by no stretch of the imagination should be used to claim that all natural drugs are safe, as the vast majority are just as toxic if not moreso than synthetic drugs.
You need to add in the naturally synthesized, vs natural, vs synthetic, then you will be getting somewhere.
Obviously shrooms are not meant to be taken everyday, however I don't see this insanity as a result, that you are speaking of, if anything this is subjective. As most of the drugs are. Anything taken out of moderation is not going to be "good for you", however synthetic is the most harmful, naturally synthetic is harmful, and natural is the least harmful.
There are 3 area's.
Cigarettes contain many synthetic and synthesized additives.
The list of 599 additives approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see. Submitted by the five major American cigarette companies to the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April of 1994, this list of ingredients had long been kept a secret.
http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm ^ Population Control
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776547 - 06/20/10 11:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Obviously shrooms are not meant to be taken everyday, however I don't see this insanity as a result, that you are speaking of, if anything this is subjective. As most of the drugs are. Anything taken out of moderation is not going to be "good for you", however synthetic is the most harmful, naturally synthetic is harmful, and natural is the least harmful.
Way to generalize.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12776557 - 06/20/10 11:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like to think of it as conceptualizing for those too daft to see the evidence.
(not saying any names)
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776563 - 06/20/10 11:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: ...synthetic is the most harmful, naturally synthetic is harmful, and natural is the least harmful.
Are you really saying that it isn't possible to create a drug that is less harmful than at least one natural drug?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776569 - 06/20/10 11:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I take a totally "synthetic" drug every day that keeps my blood pressure under control (it's genetic, not because I eat like shit). I suspect I will live a longer and more healthy life because of it.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: ShockValue]
#12776586 - 06/20/10 11:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am talking about recreational drugs. I understand you don't understand implications, So I'll spell it out for ya.
Illicit Recreational Drugs that have been mandated as controlled / illegal substances.
There is an obvious division applicable to this catagory.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776602 - 06/21/10 12:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you're saying that all currently existing illegal recreational synthetic drugs are more harmful than all currently existing illegal recreational natural drugs?
What do you mean by harm, anyways? Are you only talking about physical harm, or also psychological/emotional harm?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid] 1
#12776609 - 06/21/10 12:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Drugs, natural or synthetic and our bodies don't give a shit about what classification the government gives them.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid] 1
#12776637 - 06/21/10 12:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I honestly don't care for your opinions, or understanding at this point. I don't care if you don't get it anymore, I'm done trying to explain to you.
I know there are plenty of people who can see the plain truth and the clear dividing lines. If your not one of them
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776647 - 06/21/10 12:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nice cop-out, I knew you had it in you.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid] 1
#12776665 - 06/21/10 12:15 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Honestly, its no different than preferring organic foods to processed/hybrid foods.
Its not a cop-out, it's prefence and refusal to lower myself to your level, once again.
As far as legalizations go, it would be in our interest to accept these clear dividing lines. As this opens a door to many rebutals as well as closing the door to some undesireables.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid]
#12776705 - 06/21/10 12:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Honestly, its no different than preferring organic foods to processed/hybrid foods.
Not all organic foods are less harmful than some processed/hybrid foods.
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teknix said: Its not a cop-out, it's prefence and refusal to lower myself to your level, once again.
I asked you a simple question, and you refused to answer it--if you refuse to "lower yourself" to the level of logic and raionality, well then I guesse that is your choice.
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teknix said: As far as legalizations go, it would be in our interest to accept these clear dividing lines.
The only clear dividing line here is between drugs that are synthesized by humans, and drugs that aren't--as this line is extremely obvious, I don't really see how recogniztion of it would really help legalization efforts.
Saying that all natural drugs are safer than all synthetic drugs is retarded.
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Poid said: What do you mean by harm, anyways? Are you only talking about physical harm, or also psychological/emotional harm?
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776709 - 06/21/10 12:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by teknix (06/21/10 01:17 AM)
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776715 - 06/21/10 12:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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As if that proves anything.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Poid] 1
#12776727 - 06/21/10 12:33 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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It proves your an argumentative twit without any conclusions of his own.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776736 - 06/21/10 12:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12776785 - 06/21/10 12:47 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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While skimming through this thread I've seen a few people mention smoking datura in a negative light and just wanted to point out that most of you would probably find it to be very enjoyable and relaxing.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12776925 - 06/21/10 01:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12777158 - 06/21/10 02:35 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: ShockValue]
#12777423 - 06/21/10 05:43 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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ShockValue said: Drugs, natural or synthetic and our bodies don't give a shit about what classification the government gives them.
Exactly.
The universe and science and anyone with common sense knows they are all still the same basic building blocks regardless of the process.
Teknix unfortunately you failed to notice that we established on page 1 of this thread that the word natural is just human concept. Its a word. It bares no relevance on physical properties of the compound. You also fail to notice that synthesis - can be performed by a plant or a human.
Teknix believes natural pure DMT is different to (equally natural) pure synthetic dmt. Yet can provide no logic, evidence or reasoning for this absurd conclusion.
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Poid said:
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teknix said: Obviously shrooms are not meant to be taken everyday, however I don't see this insanity as a result, that you are speaking of, if anything this is subjective. As most of the drugs are. Anything taken out of moderation is not going to be "good for you", however synthetic is the most harmful, naturally synthetic is harmful, and natural is the least harmful.
Way to generalize.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: teknix]
#12777754 - 06/21/10 08:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Haven't ever seen weed do this to someone.
The only reason why that happens to people is because they are on meth 24/7, no sleep, probably little to no food, no hygiene, don't brush teeth, etc.
If you use meth responsibly you'll be just fine
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: feifen]
#12779227 - 06/21/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Relevant and funny video -
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: ShockValue]
#12779282 - 06/21/10 03:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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i never even knew lsd snobbery existed until i started reading and posting on here more. sounds pretty dumb. i like lsd but i like other stuff way better.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: feifen]
#12779515 - 06/21/10 04:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Haven't ever seen weed do this to someone.
The only reason why that happens to people is because they are on meth 24/7, no sleep, probably little to no food, no hygiene, don't brush teeth, etc.
If you use meth responsibly you'll be just fine
Finally it took 8 pages before this topic had a valid post.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Beanhead]
#12788862 - 06/23/10 05:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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This naturalist argument is going to take the world back to pre-industrial revolution civilization if it goes to far, and as a result the world's population will starve for decades until only a few hundred million are left.
Once again on-topic, when you brought up "natural-synthetic", which is the nonscientific term for a compound synthesized from an organic compound, I discovered just how deluded you are.
There is only one popular fully synthetic drug: Methamphetamine.
OPIUM Hydrocodone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, methadone, among dozens of others, including heroin. The only fully synthetic opioid I know of is fentanyl.
The next ones are in a different format, synthesized drug before its precursor.
LSD Organic precursor: LSA, found in morning glory seeds, hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, and ergot fungus.
Ecstasy Sassafrole, from the Sassafras plant.
Crack-cocaine Not really a chemical difference from cocaine, it's just in a different form that works better for smoking.
Oh, and long-term, habitual use of any hallucinogen is very likely to cause some form of neurosis or psychosis. Not necessarily the straight-jacket-wearing, drooling psych patient you think of when you hear insanity, but if a person is neurotic or psychotic, they're not really fully sane, either.
The fact remains that you are generalizing the safety of all organic drugs on one, marijuana. This logic is going to get you or someone you tell it to seriously hurt, and you need to reflect on this before telling people that one class of drugs is safe and another is dangerous.
The least you could do is use the actual classes (depressants, stimulants, opiates, psychedelics, etc.) of drugs, because you can actually apply reasonable logic to discriminating on that basis. For example, I think stimulants are dangerous. But, I know they're only dangerous in my opinion because they don't mix well with my mind or body. If someone else wants to do it, I SHUT MY FUCKING MOUTH.
I might say it's gross or boring, but I will NEVER demonize a person for their drug of choice.
I will, however, take a stand for sound logic and reasoning when it comes to such an important health issue as drug safety!
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: morrowasted]
#12788869 - 06/23/10 05:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Yet smokes like $200 worth of chronic every week.
But "it's all good man cuz weed is from tha earth ya dig"
This ridiculously potent hydroponically grown new weed that everyone is smoking is not fucking natural. That's like saying it's natural to breed retarded people together in order to create a race of especially stupid people.
Not to mention that the word natural is completely ambiguous. They are just abusing it.
Such people simply do not understand bio- nor neurochemistry. There is not much to discuss really. They need to read some science and realize how lame and subjective this statement is. Hey plague toxin is natural too, innit...
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morrowasted said: If you wanna be all natural and down wif de earf brah, you should get some schwag seeds and plant them in your back yard.
Oh, my.. Thats my favourite. Even if my weed ain't potent, as the one I can buy, the very concept of me throwing so much love and attention at it just makes the high extraordinarily pleasant.
I'd say read science books and grow your own drugs
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deCypher
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: Synesthetic]
#12790754 - 06/23/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Synesthetic said: There is only one popular fully synthetic drug: Methamphetamine.
Methamphetamine actually occurs naturally in the acacia tree.
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Re: Getting sick of this guy who is judgmental of "unnatural drugs" [Re: deCypher]
#12790868 - 06/23/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cyph3r said:
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Synesthetic said: There is only one popular fully synthetic drug: Methamphetamine.
Methamphetamine actually occurs naturally in the acacia tree.
Zing!
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