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OfflineMetaShroom
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Ripper in the news
    #1276250 - 02/04/03 01:43 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

sorry if this has been posted already
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2724819.stm


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276267 - 02/04/03 01:51 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Thar she blows..

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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276287 - 02/04/03 01:59 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: World Spirit]
    #1276335 - 02/04/03 02:26 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

I heard from a friend that the story was on the local television news in Arizona. I know he was from there and it has created a buzz in the news.

I do not think they mentioned the shroomery site, just an "online community" and there was mention of people egging him on. But thats no excuse I suppose....

Just passing the information.

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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276434 - 02/04/03 03:17 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah...Ripper is all over the news here in Phx. I know who egged him on and I also know who wanted to call for help but didn't. It makes me sick and I hope those people get what's coming to them. (whether that be by law or in the eyes of the Lord) I also hope they think about his death every day and his family and closest friends like myself, who are so hurt and dissapointed in human nature right now, because of what you did.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1276496 - 02/04/03 03:46 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

don't BLAME anyone. I knew ripper well ... for 4 years now. he said some real stupid things and it was hard to believe anything he said, it was also incredibly hard to change his mind when he set out to do something. no one in the chat was responsible, ripper was a big boy, he knew very well what he was doing. no one meant ANY harm, as a close community we all would joke around but at no time did ANY ever mean for ripper to die. when i heard about this last night, i just broke into tears. Ripper was an amazing person, he constantly helped me out with computer stuff and was just great to talk to.

instead of putting blame on other people... let's just keep ripper in our memories. im pretty sure, behind his tough act, he would have wanted it that way.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1276506 - 02/04/03 03:49 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

oh and does rippers family REALLY think that by suing some kid who was just chatting and meant no harm, do they think that will change anything? will money to ripper's family bring him back? no... it won't. it's hard to place blame on the one you love, but sometimes you HAVE TO. You cannot go through life throwing the blame on someone you don't care about... that doesn't work.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1276508 - 02/04/03 03:49 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

What I said here originally was inacurate.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Delyrium]
    #1276521 - 02/04/03 03:53 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

They have to be cut some slack.

The family just lost someone and the only thing they have that helps them answer "why?" are the logs.

The logs are disgusting.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1276529 - 02/04/03 03:55 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

almost everything said in the chat is disgusting... but what gets me is how quick people want to SUE.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Delyrium]
    #1276539 - 02/04/03 03:58 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

It is "justice".

Eye for an eye. Someone must pay.

Pain begets pain.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1276550 - 02/04/03 04:01 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Why must someone pay? Ripper's family has already paid the price for Ripper's own bad moves. Let's forgive and forget, and not try to make anyone else feel horrible. I'm sure Smoke2k probably, if he cares, has and will pay the penalty for life with his guilt.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Demon]
    #1276563 - 02/04/03 04:05 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

agreed.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Demon]
    #1276570 - 02/04/03 04:07 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

>>It should be noted that ripper had already lethally dosed before talking about it or turning on his webcam.

is there evidence of that?


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276579 - 02/04/03 04:13 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Questions are being asked about how much liability should be taken by the man's online companions and by the internet service provider which hosted a chatroom dedicated to stories of how to get hold of prescription drugs.




I hope this dosn't mean isps are gonna stop allowing access to IRC in Pheonix or in any other place. We have to be liberal about this. We can't stop IRC servers
from being used because of what one person did. Or even worse, will the shut down the Shroomery? God forbid.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276586 - 02/04/03 04:16 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Not sure.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Demon]
    #1276592 - 02/04/03 04:18 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Justice is blind.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276629 - 02/04/03 04:33 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Here's what you probably don't understand.

It is not as though people who frequent that chatroom are there to stop people from OD'ing. They are not a help line and they don't act like one most of the time.

So, when someone comes in and says that they are going to lethally dose, people don't necessarily take it seriously. The general theme of the chatroom is usually light-hearted.

I would argue the following.

ripper was going to take that dose regardless of what anyone said.

At the time when he started dosing, people really didn't know what to do. Remember, these are not trained councelers, psychologists. They are just people with common interests, not trained personell.

By the time things had gotten out of hand, there was very little anyone could do. An attempt to call the cops was made, but there was too little available information to get anyone to his location. Again, had these people been trained to deal with this type of thing, it would be a different case.

Pnutbot is not a real person. He's a computer program designed to reply to certain key words with certain responses.

Smoke2k is not all that bright, but he is not to blame for ripper's death. It would be like blaming a bystander for nto saving the life of a guy who was shot in the chest walking in front of him in that he wasn't trained to deal with that sort of thing.



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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1276885 - 02/04/03 05:48 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

>> is not as though people who frequent that chatroom are there to stop people from OD'ing. They are not a help line and they don't act like one most of the time.

So, when someone comes in and says that they are going to lethally dose, people don't necessarily take it seriously. The general theme of the chatroom is usually light-hearted.


i know i have been around for a while now and have been in chat plenty of times...

>>ripper was going to take that dose regardless of what anyone said.

i agree

>>Pnutbot is not a real person. He's a computer program designed to reply to certain key words with certain responses

i hope that's not for my info..

>>Smoke2k is not all that bright, but he is not to blame for ripper's death. It would be like blaming a bystander for nto saving the life of a guy who was shot in the chest walking in front of him in that he wasn't trained to deal with that sort of thing.

i completely agree and have defended that poitn before..


but you still haven't answered my question, you said he had already taken a lethal dose of pills before turning on the cam and taking more. How is it known that he already took a lethal dose before even taking more?


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276897 - 02/04/03 05:50 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Within the first 5 minutes of the chat, approximately 2 minutes after the camera was turned on, Ripper claims to have consumed what is "equivalent to 8000 mg of OxyContin".


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: darkfly]
    #1276923 - 02/04/03 05:56 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

>>Within the first 5 minutes of the chat, approximately 2 minutes after the camera was turned on, Ripper claims to have consumed what is "equivalent to 8000 mg of OxyContin".

Thank You, that's what i was looking for.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276929 - 02/04/03 05:58 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

While browsing another site which I frequent, I notice there is an article posted today on Kuro5hin.org regarding Ripper / Brandon.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: darkfly]
    #1276933 - 02/04/03 06:00 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

time to keep an eye on tv news, like 20/20 and such...


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1277333 - 02/04/03 07:58 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

"a chatroom dedicated to stories of how to get hold of prescription drugs. "

Did the shroomery change its motto?


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1277606 - 02/04/03 09:34 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Does anyone remember Pnut (who Pnutbot was named after)? He used to frequent #shroomery a few years back. I chatted to him online shortly before he killed himself with a shot gun. I wondered at the time if there was anything I could have said that would have made a difference, maybe there was in hindsight, but at the time you just dont expect that kind of thing to happen.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1277652 - 02/04/03 09:48 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Wow... I can't believe that. It's so shocking to imagine someone dying right here amongst us.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Prometheus_Unbound]
    #1277754 - 02/04/03 10:27 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Im sure it is a lot more common than we think. I bet a lot of shroomerites have died and we never heard about it.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #1277805 - 02/04/03 10:47 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

most likely, but it's not everyday we have a "personality" die... i bet a lot of shroomerites have died, but most of those were probably like people between 1 - 30 posts so nobody realized....

That's all speculation though


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1278221 - 02/04/03 12:35 PM (21 years, 25 days ago)

wow..some very more uncool news

Looks like this is getting way more attention.  A random friend(a non drug user)...came on msn(i haven't talked to him forever) and is like..dude look at this...and he gave me a link

it was link to the chat log(with ripper) :frown:

I asked him where he got it....he got it in an email.  It's going around to many people

I personally don't like this...means it's just gaining more and more attention...something I don't think it needs


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1279383 - 02/04/03 05:21 PM (21 years, 24 days ago)

yeap, most uncool news.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1280629 - 02/05/03 05:21 AM (21 years, 24 days ago)

IAmJewels: I am very sorry for your loss. Ripper was a cool guy.

However, after getting all the facts and reading all the chat logs, i have come to the conclusion that this was probably a suicide rather than an accidently overdose. Keeping that in mind, it's really not the shroomeries fault ripper died.

I used to frequent chat quite a bit, and i talked to ripper most of the times i was there. He was very intelligent and fun to talk to, and was ussually always joking around with others which is basically what goes on in the chat. I didnt know him very personally though, so i had no idea he was depressed, and didnt know his drug usage was so out of control. Understanding shroomery chats light-hearted nature helps you understand how it my have been difficult for some people to take rippers last actions serisouly. And someone like ripper would be even harder to take serisouly since he was always joking around and whatnot. Thats what i think occured anyway. I think people were caught off gaurd and by the time they actually saw him take all the pills on the cam, it was to late for him.

I do think more could have been done though. And i was pissed off at the way a couple people acted. Still though, brandon chose his fate and these people should not be blamed for that. For what it's worth though, i'm sorry.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1280669 - 02/05/03 05:34 AM (21 years, 24 days ago)

"a chatroom dedicated to stories of how to get hold of prescription drugs. "

i think they were probably talking about rippers own website, klonopinz.com.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1283162 - 02/05/03 08:13 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

because of what who did ? you cant blame other people because of what that kid did himself. hes dead and all yeah might be sad for you but it his fault, so bitch him out , blame him. not anyone else. by saying its their fault , your saying that they had control over him, ... is that true? no, i dont think it is.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: AJ420]
    #1283230 - 02/05/03 08:49 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

"a chatroom dedicated to stories of how to get hold of prescription drugs. "

i think they were probably talking about rippers own website, klonopinz.com.





That URL does nothing now.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Jammer]
    #1283244 - 02/05/03 09:08 PM (21 years, 23 days ago)

It was ripper's own server.


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