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OfflineMetaShroom
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Ripper in the news
    #1276250 - 02/04/03 03:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

sorry if this has been posted already
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2724819.stm


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276267 - 02/04/03 03:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Thar she blows..

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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276287 - 02/04/03 03:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: World Spirit]
    #1276335 - 02/04/03 04:26 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I heard from a friend that the story was on the local television news in Arizona. I know he was from there and it has created a buzz in the news.

I do not think they mentioned the shroomery site, just an "online community" and there was mention of people egging him on. But thats no excuse I suppose....

Just passing the information.

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OfflineIamJewels
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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276434 - 02/04/03 05:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah...Ripper is all over the news here in Phx. I know who egged him on and I also know who wanted to call for help but didn't. It makes me sick and I hope those people get what's coming to them. (whether that be by law or in the eyes of the Lord) I also hope they think about his death every day and his family and closest friends like myself, who are so hurt and dissapointed in human nature right now, because of what you did.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1276496 - 02/04/03 05:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

don't BLAME anyone. I knew ripper well ... for 4 years now. he said some real stupid things and it was hard to believe anything he said, it was also incredibly hard to change his mind when he set out to do something. no one in the chat was responsible, ripper was a big boy, he knew very well what he was doing. no one meant ANY harm, as a close community we all would joke around but at no time did ANY ever mean for ripper to die. when i heard about this last night, i just broke into tears. Ripper was an amazing person, he constantly helped me out with computer stuff and was just great to talk to.

instead of putting blame on other people... let's just keep ripper in our memories. im pretty sure, behind his tough act, he would have wanted it that way.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1276506 - 02/04/03 05:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

oh and does rippers family REALLY think that by suing some kid who was just chatting and meant no harm, do they think that will change anything? will money to ripper's family bring him back? no... it won't. it's hard to place blame on the one you love, but sometimes you HAVE TO. You cannot go through life throwing the blame on someone you don't care about... that doesn't work.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: IamJewels]
    #1276508 - 02/04/03 05:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What I said here originally was inacurate.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Delyrium]
    #1276521 - 02/04/03 05:53 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

They have to be cut some slack.

The family just lost someone and the only thing they have that helps them answer "why?" are the logs.

The logs are disgusting.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1276529 - 02/04/03 05:55 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

almost everything said in the chat is disgusting... but what gets me is how quick people want to SUE.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Delyrium]
    #1276539 - 02/04/03 05:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

It is "justice".

Eye for an eye. Someone must pay.

Pain begets pain.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1276550 - 02/04/03 06:01 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Why must someone pay? Ripper's family has already paid the price for Ripper's own bad moves. Let's forgive and forget, and not try to make anyone else feel horrible. I'm sure Smoke2k probably, if he cares, has and will pay the penalty for life with his guilt.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Demon]
    #1276563 - 02/04/03 06:05 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

agreed.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Demon]
    #1276570 - 02/04/03 06:07 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

>>It should be noted that ripper had already lethally dosed before talking about it or turning on his webcam.

is there evidence of that?


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: MetaShroom]
    #1276579 - 02/04/03 06:13 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Questions are being asked about how much liability should be taken by the man's online companions and by the internet service provider which hosted a chatroom dedicated to stories of how to get hold of prescription drugs.




I hope this dosn't mean isps are gonna stop allowing access to IRC in Pheonix or in any other place. We have to be liberal about this. We can't stop IRC servers
from being used because of what one person did. Or even worse, will the shut down the Shroomery? God forbid.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276586 - 02/04/03 06:16 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Demon]
    #1276592 - 02/04/03 06:18 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Justice is blind.


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276629 - 02/04/03 06:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Here's what you probably don't understand.

It is not as though people who frequent that chatroom are there to stop people from OD'ing. They are not a help line and they don't act like one most of the time.

So, when someone comes in and says that they are going to lethally dose, people don't necessarily take it seriously. The general theme of the chatroom is usually light-hearted.

I would argue the following.

ripper was going to take that dose regardless of what anyone said.

At the time when he started dosing, people really didn't know what to do. Remember, these are not trained councelers, psychologists. They are just people with common interests, not trained personell.

By the time things had gotten out of hand, there was very little anyone could do. An attempt to call the cops was made, but there was too little available information to get anyone to his location. Again, had these people been trained to deal with this type of thing, it would be a different case.

Pnutbot is not a real person. He's a computer program designed to reply to certain key words with certain responses.

Smoke2k is not all that bright, but he is not to blame for ripper's death. It would be like blaming a bystander for nto saving the life of a guy who was shot in the chest walking in front of him in that he wasn't trained to deal with that sort of thing.



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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1276885 - 02/04/03 07:48 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

>> is not as though people who frequent that chatroom are there to stop people from OD'ing. They are not a help line and they don't act like one most of the time.

So, when someone comes in and says that they are going to lethally dose, people don't necessarily take it seriously. The general theme of the chatroom is usually light-hearted.


i know i have been around for a while now and have been in chat plenty of times...

>>ripper was going to take that dose regardless of what anyone said.

i agree

>>Pnutbot is not a real person. He's a computer program designed to reply to certain key words with certain responses

i hope that's not for my info..

>>Smoke2k is not all that bright, but he is not to blame for ripper's death. It would be like blaming a bystander for nto saving the life of a guy who was shot in the chest walking in front of him in that he wasn't trained to deal with that sort of thing.

i completely agree and have defended that poitn before..


but you still haven't answered my question, you said he had already taken a lethal dose of pills before turning on the cam and taking more. How is it known that he already took a lethal dose before even taking more?


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Re: Ripper in the news [Re: neuro]
    #1276897 - 02/04/03 07:50 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Within the first 5 minutes of the chat, approximately 2 minutes after the camera was turned on, Ripper claims to have consumed what is "equivalent to 8000 mg of OxyContin".


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