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Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity
    #12762380 - 06/18/10 08:25 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Out of coincidence I bumped into a friend, down the beach the other day, who was with some of her acid head hippy friends. They were absolutely buzzing on 2CE (a new psychedelic MDMA/LSD like pill) but through their initial euphoric erg to express everything racing through their head we got into some good conversation.

Eventually and over a few joints, we ended up talking about evolution, humanity and how there is a missing gap in our evolution from monkey to human.
This young man, a DMT seller and advocate of psychedelic thinking with eager enthusiasm told me that humanity sparked from monkeys eating psilocybin mushrooms. Could it really be? I think it would make sense; early civilisation based their worlds on the particular entheogens they were using and in remote tribes and cultures of the world shamanism is still centre to their civilizations.

Human thinking; our wonder of the unknown and expansions in thinking that we are not only satisfied in surviving, we want awnsers. Could monkeys have eaten psilocybin mushrooms over a period of time that the way they behaved and the movement of their brain became more enc lined to that of the behaviour of humans?

But if monkeys eating psilocybin mushrooms created humans what will humans consuming the psychedelics we're consuming now create? I'm no scientist but if every human was on a permanent drip of acid, there is no doubt through adaption and evolution our brains and consciousness would develop to something else.
If so, if humans were to continue using entheogens would our consciousness develop for us to become some from of super human?
Surviving and adaptation for that purpose is one thing but expanding consciousness is a complete different story and form my knowledge there is little scientific research, that is at least publicly announced on the matter?

Surly this theory of the adaption of consciousness of the brain to create humankind, through the consumption of mind expanding drugs isn't a half bad one? It would ex pain the missing gap perfectly, wouldn't it?


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Will P] * 1
    #12762401 - 06/18/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Could it really be?




No.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Will P]
    #12762404 - 06/18/10 08:35 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm no scientist but if every human was on a permanent drip of acid, there is no doubt through adaption and evolution our brains and consciousness would develop to something else.




:braindamage:


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #12762408 - 06/18/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, Mr Blunt; No because.....


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Will P]
    #12762420 - 06/18/10 08:40 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Because:

1. You have not provided a scintilla of evidence other than a borrowed dope fantasy from McKenna.

2. That is not how evolution works.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Will P]
    #12762434 - 06/18/10 08:44 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Your friend must be familiar with Terrence McKenna's "stoned ape" theory.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #12762445 - 06/18/10 08:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I disagree.

I don't know what happend but if a small selection of these monkeys began to eat mushrooms regulrarly they would, with out doubt, begin to at least think differently. With thinking differently, their behavour would change which would begin to affect the ways in which they use their bodies. Prehaps they would becoem more sensual to their surroundings and curious as to of the mysteries in their world. Prehaps they would even spend time looking for the mushrooms that are feeding their way of thinknig, that they stop using the ability to swing and climb but isntead spend time on the floor, searching.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Will P]
    #12762450 - 06/18/10 08:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

with out doubt,

I'm sure that's true for you.:lol:


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Icelander]
    #12762457 - 06/18/10 08:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm no scientist




no shit


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Will P]
    #12762458 - 06/18/10 08:52 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What type of 'new man' evolved from 10 million people dropping acid?


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #12762474 - 06/18/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The sofa-hippie


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #12762475 - 06/18/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It's a theoretical question, not literal. I don't expect nearly 7 billion people to all drop acid for the rest of their lives in the hope to desperatley create a superior race.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #12762476 - 06/18/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: quinn]
    #12762485 - 06/18/10 09:00 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

quinn said:
Quote:

I'm no scientist




no shit




But I play one on the internet.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #12762490 - 06/18/10 09:01 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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The sofa-hippie




I resemble that. The carpet and the drapes amuse me for hours on end.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #12762511 - 06/18/10 09:06 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You resemble a sofa-hippie? :lol:



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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Poid]
    #12762772 - 06/18/10 10:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think the idea is a failure. How would the genetics of humans change? The apes would just take the psychedelics and if it improved their survival chances then they wouldnt turn into humans, they would turn into mushroom eating apes. Humans are not designed to pick things off the ground, even though they can. It is a stress on the back and knees to bend over. Apes however have large arms  and stocky legs. They are much better adapted to pick mushrooms from the ground.

Mushrooms might have played a role in the development of Cultural evolution. But not Genetic evolution.

But I wonder what you think, WillP,
If humans evolved through the use of mushrooms does that make most people who don't eat shrooms 'incomplete' humans?


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Noteworthy]
    #12762803 - 06/18/10 10:12 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Humans are not designed to pick things off the ground, even though they can. It is a stress on the back and knees to bend over.


It is a stress on the entire body to hunt big game with a crude spear, are humans not designed for that as well? :rolleyes:


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Noteworthy]
    #12762825 - 06/18/10 10:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Noteworthy said:
I think the idea is a failure. How would the genetics of humans change? The apes would just take the psychedelics and if it improved their survival chances then they wouldnt turn into humans, they would turn into mushroom eating apes. Humans are not designed to pick things off the ground, even though they can. It is a stress on the back and knees to bend over. Apes however have large arms  and stocky legs. They are much better adapted to pick mushrooms from the ground.

Mushrooms might have played a role in the development of Cultural evolution. But not Genetic evolution.

But I wonder what you think, WillP,
If humans evolved through the use of mushrooms does that make most people who don't eat shrooms 'incomplete' humans?




No, not incomplete, but prehaps unfufilled. Some people don't realise that sense of fufillment, enlightenment and knowledge that can come from a trip; it's a great shame that laws class a mushroom you can pick form the ground, gain spiritual enlightnement from and gain as much knowledge in the space of a few hours that could take one a lifetime to work out, in the same class as heroin; a drug that will numb you from reality and, before you know it, drain your life away into a repetitive and bleak existense.


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Re: Psilocybin sparked the creation of Humanity [Re: Poid]
    #12762831 - 06/18/10 10:19 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I thought that humans are a type of ape that somehow, during evolution, lost a muscle that most apes have in their head that keep their brains from growing. I'm not sure where I heard this, it might have been in Bio class last year or something.


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