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When you can't find meaning in school...
    #1276220 - 02/04/03 03:26 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1276332 - 02/04/03 04:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Eye luv skool.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1277105 - 02/04/03 08:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

They become 'abnormal' rejects of society.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1277233 - 02/04/03 09:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

To change the rules of the game, it helps to be able to show the other players that you can win by their rules first.

The current education system tries to achieve mass mediocrity... it's working. What are YOU going to do about it?


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1277268 - 02/04/03 09:36 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

The current education system tries to achieve mass mediocrity... it's working.



True, true, so very true...


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Evolving]
    #1277515 - 02/04/03 10:57 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So all of you who have been through it, is it worth it? If you could do it again would you go for a 4.0, would you slide by, or drop out? Right now im doin the ol' slide by.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Nova]
    #1277536 - 02/04/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The slide by... I stay under the radar and let the walking harddrives regurgitate and forget (they call it "learning").


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1277554 - 02/04/03 11:13 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

To change the rules of the game, it helps to be able to show the other players that you can win by their rules first.





darn tootin'.

if you want to do your own thing, especially in school, you need to show that you are so far beyond everyone that they just let you expand on your own. the only way to get any sort of respect in school is good grades, theres no two ways about it. if you dont get good grades (i dont care how smart you are) they dont want you to be happy. it brings down their schools average, and prestige, in their own click of school board ratings, so fuck you for that!


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1279557 - 02/04/03 08:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1279686 - 02/04/03 09:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The current education system tries to achieve mass mediocrity... it's working.

as opposed to helping the clever and failing the weak?

i find it hard to come up with an answer on this. i dont think that the people with better grades should be given more tuiton or help at the expense of the weaker ones. and i fail to see how any way could work to suit everyone. i am opposed to private/paying schools as i feel that everyone should have the same education (if they wish to attend school) regardless of wealth, class or social position. again, it shows that wealth can get better education and resources.
however, i do feel that the students who show a flair in any area and any student who wants to learn should be 'pushed' far greater than they currently are. i have seen many people who could have been better than they were if the school had pushed them further. i believe that most of it is due to huge class sizes and alot could be achieved by lowering this.
i dont think financial incentives are the way to push students, we need to show them that pushing themselves and their capabilities is good for them now and in the long run, not just in their job prospects but their general well-being,

i will say more later but i've just woken up and need to get to college.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1279971 - 02/05/03 01:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You're lucky my boot size is only 81/2-9. Next time you're around, I'm gonna chalk up the sole first before...


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1279974 - 02/05/03 01:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

this book is where its at,  tell you everything,  the total truth about it all:

Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling
by John Taylor Gatto, David Albert (Introduction), Thomas Moore
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0865714487/qid=1044448750/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-8523763-9181522?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1280630 - 02/05/03 07:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"When you can't find meaning in school," you're probably pretty normal.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1280645 - 02/05/03 07:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"When you can't find meaning in school,"

Quit.

Thats what I did.

Fuck school. Worthless institution. I'm getting a GED on the 20th, I'm going to tech school for 2 years starting next fall. I'm also getting a job soon. School is useless.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1281492 - 02/05/03 12:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I once thought that an INTP, Meso-Ectomorphic Cerebrotonic could drive a truck or work on a loading dock, if I could remain in a high enough state of being. Problem was (and is) that I'm high-minded as well. I'm quick thinking and intellectual. So, working under idiotic and drunken supervisors, and men so crude as to introduce me to an older female secretary saying that she'd show me a good time for ten dollars,' and she wasn't smiling, was just plain hellish. If you're gonna leave college, and you don't have a trade in mind that's gonna satisfy your intellectual nature to a certain extent, you're gonna be one unhappy camper. The longer you persist, and the more time that passes, the less likely will you be to return yet another time to college.

Then there's that nesting thing. A woman isn't a gold-digger if she simply wants a decent aesthetic to her existence, and knowing you, you're not gonna be happy with an uneducated woman with velvet Elvis paintings in her trailer. It's gonna be 'tit for tat, so you better be down with 'tat' ed-yu-ka-shun if you gonna 'git dat tit.' Capiche? Crude, but ' true dat.'


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1282378 - 02/05/03 04:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Bill Gates left college, most of us are aware of what he's done. Larry Ellison quit college too, (he said, "I had a real problem with authority") he founded Oracle and is now one of the wealthiest men in the world. The man who founded Federal Express presented his idea as an assignment in his college business course, the professor said it was 'a bad idea' (at least that's the story I read). All these people hire college graduates to work for them, they're better at following orders than the entrepreneurial types.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1282814 - 02/05/03 07:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1283359 - 02/06/03 01:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What exactly did your teacher say on your paper? Did you have a clear thesis statement? A Topic sentence for each paragraph? Supporting details? Etc. Rose said to call her. This is what she does for a living.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1284118 - 02/06/03 08:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I dont know for sure, but I think Sclorch was trying to tell you that you do not have to lower your standards to them. You can play thier game, cause its simple, like filling out forms(a little boring maybe, though). Then afterwards, enjoy your bitching rights.

Express their hunger for mediocrity in your behavior by playing their little game. Be a walking example...


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: David_Scape]
    #1284134 - 02/06/03 08:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1284271 - 02/06/03 09:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

...and submit for public interpretation.

I am the same way. I often base how I submit my ideas with nothing but that in mind.

Just make sure that your actions and feelings toward school are not based on the behaviors of others, but on what is right. Dont let them be the ones that bring you down, ya know...


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: David_Scape]
    #1284857 - 02/06/03 11:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Scape: I dont know for sure, but I think Sclorch was trying to tell you that you do not have to lower your standards to them. You can play thier game, cause its simple, like filling out forms(a little boring maybe, though). Then afterwards, enjoy your bitching rights.

Pretty much.

Try this:
Hit a couple of thrift stores and find yourself a nice $7 suit (while you're there, pick up a shirt and tie if you don't already have one).  Get it drycleaned (like $15).
Hopefully you have a haircut that is compatible with the acceptable range of "normal man" hairstyles, if not, sorry... your gameplay will be compromised.  So your hair is combed, your shirt and suit is pressed, your hemp necklace is off, your silver or gold rings are on (remember to keep the bling bling in the acceptable "normal [wealthy] man" range), you have a nice watch on, your shoes are shined (wingtips or leather-soled dress shoes ala thrift store... sorry, no Doc Martin's or Birkenstocks), you are clean shaven (gameplay will again be compromised if you can't do this), and you have a moderate amount of cologne on.
Now you're ready.

Go to the courthouse.
Make eye contact with people.  Don't slouch... maintain perfect posture and a confident gait.  Smile a little.  You'll notice that people will treat you MUCH differently... it doesn't even matter if you're young.  Go sit in on a couple of trials... I can almost guarantee that someone will ask you if you are a lawyer, lawyer's assistant, etc. 

I just did it yesterday...  :grin: 


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1284917 - 02/06/03 12:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

School is a bitch sometimes, and you can sit there and blame the institutions all you want. But when it comes down to it.. Its all you... You put what you want into education.. You get what you want out of it. If your there to earn a piece of paper, of coarse its going to be meaningless to you. If your there to expand your knowledge about the world, the limits are endless.. Yeah so a boring paper that you have to write is tearing you up.. Go do some research put together a good theory or thesis, and write the paper.. Even if you get a C, your moving on man. Then find out what interests you and pour your heart into it. Learn what you can, it really is a blessing to be able to have the chance to push your limits and make yourself well rounded..

If you find nothing interesting in education, your right, you should take time off.. Go live life a little, travel around the world, work, meet different people. Maybe somewhere along the way you will find your right place..

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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1285127 - 02/06/03 12:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

:smile: Are you serious about that? hehehe You really have time to play around.  :grin:


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1286859 - 02/06/03 09:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

dum: Are you serious about that?

As a heart attack.  :wink:

hehehe You really have time to play around.

Well, I wasn't there ALL day... I had to go to the courthouse anyways (to debate a parking ticket), so I decided to waste another hour on top of that. 


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1288019 - 02/07/03 09:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

LMAO! I admire your wierdness


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: chodamunky]
    #1289372 - 02/07/03 05:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1289625 - 02/07/03 08:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

im feelin all your pains. i don't like school either, i want to learn about what i want to learn about. Im forced to take bullshit classes.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1290819 - 02/08/03 11:40 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

My geography teacher loves giving me C-'s for my 'alternative' views. For someone supposedly passionate about the environment she's a devout capitalist.

Get what you want out of school, make it a chance for you to evolve ideas for yourself, screw the grades.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1291061 - 02/08/03 02:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, the education system in the U.S. has plenty of room for improvement. It's over-systematized, the teachers are underpaid, etc. There's so much paperwork and policy and procedure that it interferes with actual teaching and class prep.

These two problems alone team up to do two things: First, they chase away a lot of young teachers, who are turned off from being teachers by the end of the first year. Off to grad school they go, or into some other field. My brother and his wife both worked full-time as teachers, and they still didn't make as much as my sister's husband, a radiologist. Now they're in grad school.

Second, a lot of those who remain as teachers give up trying to "make a difference." New ideas don't always go over well in an over bureaucratized system--they end up rocking the boat. You can only get so much inspiration from "Stand and Deliver" and "Dangerous Minds." So, they put on the auto-pilot and settle in.

But I'll bet if you look you could find at least one teacher willing to really get into the learning process with you. You know--learning for learning's sake, a Socrates to your Plato, whatever. Or maybe you could wake it up in one of them. I think most people who choose to teach have that desire. Go and talk to them about something after class. My folks are college professors, and they say if a student wants to score points with the professor, visit them during office hours. It makes them feel loved.

By the way, I just today took the CBEST (California Basic Educational Skills Test) so I can teach here in LA. Or maybe San Diego. We'll see how long I last...

**Oh, and don't worry too much about not quite hitting that four-year plan...education is everywhere. I took ten years to graduate. I had a saying--"student for ten years, university tenures."


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1291203 - 02/08/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i got the college education, but i ain't using it. i got everything i want. no worries. all the time in the world, plenty of money. in america, poverty is just a state of mind - if you want out of it, all you have to do is -think-. you don't need a formal education. just -think- really, there's a lot out there you can do.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Evolving]
    #1291445 - 02/08/03 05:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

didn't albert enstien flunk out of school?


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: JustSomeGuy]
    #1292697 - 02/09/03 08:05 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

no he ended up graduating somewhere, contrary to popular belief.

he certainly had trouble with school when he was younger, though.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1292931 - 02/09/03 09:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

As a young child I knew the American school system, or at least the schools I was being exposed to, were all wrong. What does the typical public school system ultimately teach us? What purpose does it serve other than a daycare center, or in higher education what does it serve but a false, formal piece of paper (diploma) to tell others that we are educated in this field or that field. Classes are impersonal between the students in general, overfilled, and the teachers are conditioned to keep a distance from students rather than establish a relationship with them (although there may be a very rare exception to this rule).
What becomes of the student who needs a teacher to work at the student's pace individually? What becomes of the student who needs less of what other students need and more of what he/she has strong desires for?
What happens to the artist and the musician, again setting aside the exceptions like Audioslave's guitarist. What happens to the socially awkward individual who, even with some social progress, still remains socially awkward? What happens to the person who is known for being a perfectionist who needs his/her time to complete a project? What happens to the person who needs spiritual guidance first and foremost (constantly)? What happens to the person who can't BS his/her way through papers and experiences during school because they are too stuck on sincerity and real results?




The simple answer.......you get screwed. I am one of the ones being screwed right now. I was kicked out of public schooling because of a magical dress code that applied to ONLY ME in my DISTRICT. My spiked (yet dulled) collar apperently opposed more of a threat than my fists, pencils, or a pair of scissors. I was a student who was widely known as a believer in peace and an advocate AGAINST conflict. I was also widely regarded as "brilliant" and phenomenol by my teachers. The whole situation sucked, and ended up with me on anti depressants. I attend alternative schooling now...its much better, none of the crap involved in the public school. I wrote this in grade 9... as part of a "manifesto"...before i was abused by the system, and i thought i would share:


In a pathetic, yet effective attempt to create a future free of counter thought, public schools create an atmosphere of suppression and fear. The teachers Breed thoughts into children beginning at the age of 5. Those who are perceived as the epitome of perfection(teachers) are viewed as trustworthy, kind, and successful individuals, infact they are often lazy, unethical, and ignorant bodies of whom we(the youth) are encouraged to aspire to be. The children are forced by law to attend and while in attendance are fed lies of the perfect world, and the governments freedom mission, and honor. Teachers are skeptical of knowledge, and teach predaciously. Mainly using the power intrusted in them, teachers often use and, abuse, fear and, intimidation as the main technique to keep order and, teach. They dismiss counter thought, and different perspectives, apparent and relative to the student. Teachers create followers aswell as hate. They thrive off the fear, and when the cycle is broken by a student who thrives of the teachers ignorance and anger an uprising of hate is brought upon that individual. We are instructed to form a segragation and those who don't apparently are wrong-do'ers. That individual is then looked upon for all problems caused. Schools are a way of insuring a successful future of terrified society. Despite varying opinions one fact remains; Schools are run by the same people whom created and run the prison system. The schools are not as strict as jail yet are designed around the same principle of fear and suppression. However the similarities also include A dress code, premisses invasion, and a system in which the losers are beat down and the supposedly successful students(inmates) are praised. The schools don't educate they lie and suppress! They don't teach survival, or interaction, they teach you what goals to achive, how to spend your money, and how to stay successful in societies eyes! Half the battle in schools is trying to keep control.........rather reminiscent of prisons!

Anyways, thats how i think it is, and its god damn not fair!




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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: PDU]
    #1293166 - 02/09/03 11:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Woah, meshuggah is bad ass! I'm also a drummer and I love his style.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: ]
    #1294802 - 02/09/03 11:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

"When you can't find meaning in school,"

Quit.

Thats what I did.

Fuck school. Worthless institution. I'm getting a GED on the 20th, I'm going to tech school for 2 years starting next fall. I'm also getting a job soon. School is useless.



I wouldn't go so far as to call it worthless. The socialization that you get in school is important for everyday life. Now, not that I'm saying that the curriculum somehow increases your chances of success, but without the huge social gathering place, how do you learn social skills?

Then again, I went to school for a long time only to realize that it was bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I've had good teachers who actually taught good curriculum, but some of them were fired that same year because they were "too different" or some BS like that.

I guess when I think about it, I'd want my kids to go to a school that actually taught them something and didn't brainwash them with "American" ideals. The problem of course then becomes, where else to send them besides public school? Homeschooling is out of the question because there is no socialization and that's bad in many aspects. Private schools are rarely any good as they conform to a niche crowd that usually believes a more elitist philosphy than the regular schools.

After 12 yrs of schooling, I'm glad I've come out reasonably sane. This has given me something to think about. My almost-default response is "No, school isn't worthless" but really, what have I learned from the experience? A whole lot of nothing. And my troubles along the way were horrible. Highschool wasn't too bad after I got past mid-softmore year or so, but before that kids are just incredibly immature and stuff happens that shouldn't happen and people act like it's all a good thing.

I have friends who had good results from Jesuit (read: related to but not directly tied in to the church) institutions, so maybe I'd send my kids there. It shocks me now when I look back on when I was a kid and how influencial I was and how I'd believe just about anything anybody told me with any conviction. Scary stuff.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1295539 - 02/10/03 07:13 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

School just prepares the youth for conforming to this totally fucked-up system we have here in the USA - I think that's ALL school is here for now....

This creates armies of youths who are OK with this fucked-up system.. until we see major education reform, nobody's going to care to change anything else.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1296644 - 02/10/03 02:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

if he were alive today, he would probably be diagnosed with ADHD and dosed up with Ritalin


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Soulecho]
    #1296740 - 02/10/03 02:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn't doubt it :smile:


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1296770 - 02/10/03 02:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i think this forum is living proof of how dumbed down education has became, and i suspect each successive generation after generation ecch! will become exponentially more ignorant, depressive, paranoid, and apathetic.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #1296786 - 02/10/03 02:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

My country (USA) breeds ignorance so that those with power and "aspirations" of domination can carry it out while we're distracted with mtv, hollywood, cnn, and of course: GADGETS! TRIP-TOYS to keep us occupied during this horrifyingly bad trip


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1296945 - 02/10/03 03:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"i try not to let school interfer with my edcuation"

not srue who came up with that...but i like it...and no i can't spell


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Seeka]
    #1298246 - 02/11/03 01:42 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, the socialization in school is important, i agree very much so. At times i will go a day or so without speaking a word, now that im in alternative schooling, i have no desire to communicate with the rest of the world....but in school i did, and since ive been out, i find it very hard to communicate in a proper manner if necessary.


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