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OfflineDavid_Scape
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1284271 - 02/06/03 07:16 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

...and submit for public interpretation.

I am the same way. I often base how I submit my ideas with nothing but that in mind.

Just make sure that your actions and feelings toward school are not based on the behaviors of others, but on what is right. Dont let them be the ones that bring you down, ya know...


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: David_Scape]
    #1284857 - 02/06/03 09:50 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Scape: I dont know for sure, but I think Sclorch was trying to tell you that you do not have to lower your standards to them. You can play thier game, cause its simple, like filling out forms(a little boring maybe, though). Then afterwards, enjoy your bitching rights.

Pretty much.

Try this:
Hit a couple of thrift stores and find yourself a nice $7 suit (while you're there, pick up a shirt and tie if you don't already have one).  Get it drycleaned (like $15).
Hopefully you have a haircut that is compatible with the acceptable range of "normal man" hairstyles, if not, sorry... your gameplay will be compromised.  So your hair is combed, your shirt and suit is pressed, your hemp necklace is off, your silver or gold rings are on (remember to keep the bling bling in the acceptable "normal [wealthy] man" range), you have a nice watch on, your shoes are shined (wingtips or leather-soled dress shoes ala thrift store... sorry, no Doc Martin's or Birkenstocks), you are clean shaven (gameplay will again be compromised if you can't do this), and you have a moderate amount of cologne on.
Now you're ready.

Go to the courthouse.
Make eye contact with people.  Don't slouch... maintain perfect posture and a confident gait.  Smile a little.  You'll notice that people will treat you MUCH differently... it doesn't even matter if you're young.  Go sit in on a couple of trials... I can almost guarantee that someone will ask you if you are a lawyer, lawyer's assistant, etc. 

I just did it yesterday...  :grin: 


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Invisiblegroviesunrise
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1284917 - 02/06/03 10:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

School is a bitch sometimes, and you can sit there and blame the institutions all you want. But when it comes down to it.. Its all you... You put what you want into education.. You get what you want out of it. If your there to earn a piece of paper, of coarse its going to be meaningless to you. If your there to expand your knowledge about the world, the limits are endless.. Yeah so a boring paper that you have to write is tearing you up.. Go do some research put together a good theory or thesis, and write the paper.. Even if you get a C, your moving on man. Then find out what interests you and pour your heart into it. Learn what you can, it really is a blessing to be able to have the chance to push your limits and make yourself well rounded..

If you find nothing interesting in education, your right, you should take time off.. Go live life a little, travel around the world, work, meet different people. Maybe somewhere along the way you will find your right place..

peace and love


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Offlinedumlovesyou
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1285127 - 02/06/03 10:56 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

:smile: Are you serious about that? hehehe You really have time to play around.  :grin:


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: dumlovesyou]
    #1286859 - 02/06/03 07:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

dum: Are you serious about that?

As a heart attack.  :wink:

hehehe You really have time to play around.

Well, I wasn't there ALL day... I had to go to the courthouse anyways (to debate a parking ticket), so I decided to waste another hour on top of that. 


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1288019 - 02/07/03 07:17 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

LMAO! I admire your wierdness

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Invisiblesever
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: chodamunky]
    #1289372 - 02/07/03 03:58 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

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Edited by sever (07/17/06 04:30 PM)

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Offlinejohnnyfive
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1289625 - 02/07/03 06:15 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

im feelin all your pains. i don't like school either, i want to learn about what i want to learn about. Im forced to take bullshit classes.


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Offlinefindbuddha
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1290819 - 02/08/03 09:40 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

My geography teacher loves giving me C-'s for my 'alternative' views. For someone supposedly passionate about the environment she's a devout capitalist.

Get what you want out of school, make it a chance for you to evolve ideas for yourself, screw the grades.

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Offlinehongomon
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1291061 - 02/08/03 12:26 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the education system in the U.S. has plenty of room for improvement. It's over-systematized, the teachers are underpaid, etc. There's so much paperwork and policy and procedure that it interferes with actual teaching and class prep.

These two problems alone team up to do two things: First, they chase away a lot of young teachers, who are turned off from being teachers by the end of the first year. Off to grad school they go, or into some other field. My brother and his wife both worked full-time as teachers, and they still didn't make as much as my sister's husband, a radiologist. Now they're in grad school.

Second, a lot of those who remain as teachers give up trying to "make a difference." New ideas don't always go over well in an over bureaucratized system--they end up rocking the boat. You can only get so much inspiration from "Stand and Deliver" and "Dangerous Minds." So, they put on the auto-pilot and settle in.

But I'll bet if you look you could find at least one teacher willing to really get into the learning process with you. You know--learning for learning's sake, a Socrates to your Plato, whatever. Or maybe you could wake it up in one of them. I think most people who choose to teach have that desire. Go and talk to them about something after class. My folks are college professors, and they say if a student wants to score points with the professor, visit them during office hours. It makes them feel loved.

By the way, I just today took the CBEST (California Basic Educational Skills Test) so I can teach here in LA. Or maybe San Diego. We'll see how long I last...

**Oh, and don't worry too much about not quite hitting that four-year plan...education is everywhere. I took ten years to graduate. I had a saying--"student for ten years, university tenures."

Edited by hongomon (02/08/03 12:29 PM)

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InvisibleCosmicJokeM
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1291203 - 02/08/03 01:24 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

i got the college education, but i ain't using it. i got everything i want. no worries. all the time in the world, plenty of money. in america, poverty is just a state of mind - if you want out of it, all you have to do is -think-. you don't need a formal education. just -think- really, there's a lot out there you can do.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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OfflineJustSomeGuy
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Evolving]
    #1291445 - 02/08/03 03:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

didn't albert enstien flunk out of school?


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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: JustSomeGuy]
    #1292697 - 02/09/03 06:05 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

no he ended up graduating somewhere, contrary to popular belief.

he certainly had trouble with school when he was younger, though.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1292931 - 02/09/03 07:29 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

As a young child I knew the American school system, or at least the schools I was being exposed to, were all wrong. What does the typical public school system ultimately teach us? What purpose does it serve other than a daycare center, or in higher education what does it serve but a false, formal piece of paper (diploma) to tell others that we are educated in this field or that field. Classes are impersonal between the students in general, overfilled, and the teachers are conditioned to keep a distance from students rather than establish a relationship with them (although there may be a very rare exception to this rule).
What becomes of the student who needs a teacher to work at the student's pace individually? What becomes of the student who needs less of what other students need and more of what he/she has strong desires for?
What happens to the artist and the musician, again setting aside the exceptions like Audioslave's guitarist. What happens to the socially awkward individual who, even with some social progress, still remains socially awkward? What happens to the person who is known for being a perfectionist who needs his/her time to complete a project? What happens to the person who needs spiritual guidance first and foremost (constantly)? What happens to the person who can't BS his/her way through papers and experiences during school because they are too stuck on sincerity and real results?




The simple answer.......you get screwed. I am one of the ones being screwed right now. I was kicked out of public schooling because of a magical dress code that applied to ONLY ME in my DISTRICT. My spiked (yet dulled) collar apperently opposed more of a threat than my fists, pencils, or a pair of scissors. I was a student who was widely known as a believer in peace and an advocate AGAINST conflict. I was also widely regarded as "brilliant" and phenomenol by my teachers. The whole situation sucked, and ended up with me on anti depressants. I attend alternative schooling now...its much better, none of the crap involved in the public school. I wrote this in grade 9... as part of a "manifesto"...before i was abused by the system, and i thought i would share:


In a pathetic, yet effective attempt to create a future free of counter thought, public schools create an atmosphere of suppression and fear. The teachers Breed thoughts into children beginning at the age of 5. Those who are perceived as the epitome of perfection(teachers) are viewed as trustworthy, kind, and successful individuals, infact they are often lazy, unethical, and ignorant bodies of whom we(the youth) are encouraged to aspire to be. The children are forced by law to attend and while in attendance are fed lies of the perfect world, and the governments freedom mission, and honor. Teachers are skeptical of knowledge, and teach predaciously. Mainly using the power intrusted in them, teachers often use and, abuse, fear and, intimidation as the main technique to keep order and, teach. They dismiss counter thought, and different perspectives, apparent and relative to the student. Teachers create followers aswell as hate. They thrive off the fear, and when the cycle is broken by a student who thrives of the teachers ignorance and anger an uprising of hate is brought upon that individual. We are instructed to form a segragation and those who don't apparently are wrong-do'ers. That individual is then looked upon for all problems caused. Schools are a way of insuring a successful future of terrified society. Despite varying opinions one fact remains; Schools are run by the same people whom created and run the prison system. The schools are not as strict as jail yet are designed around the same principle of fear and suppression. However the similarities also include A dress code, premisses invasion, and a system in which the losers are beat down and the supposedly successful students(inmates) are praised. The schools don't educate they lie and suppress! They don't teach survival, or interaction, they teach you what goals to achive, how to spend your money, and how to stay successful in societies eyes! Half the battle in schools is trying to keep control.........rather reminiscent of prisons!

Anyways, thats how i think it is, and its god damn not fair!




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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: PDU]
    #1293166 - 02/09/03 09:04 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Woah, meshuggah is bad ass! I'm also a drummer and I love his style.

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OfflineSeeka
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: ]
    #1294802 - 02/09/03 09:11 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

"When you can't find meaning in school,"

Quit.

Thats what I did.

Fuck school. Worthless institution. I'm getting a GED on the 20th, I'm going to tech school for 2 years starting next fall. I'm also getting a job soon. School is useless.



I wouldn't go so far as to call it worthless. The socialization that you get in school is important for everyday life. Now, not that I'm saying that the curriculum somehow increases your chances of success, but without the huge social gathering place, how do you learn social skills?

Then again, I went to school for a long time only to realize that it was bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I've had good teachers who actually taught good curriculum, but some of them were fired that same year because they were "too different" or some BS like that.

I guess when I think about it, I'd want my kids to go to a school that actually taught them something and didn't brainwash them with "American" ideals. The problem of course then becomes, where else to send them besides public school? Homeschooling is out of the question because there is no socialization and that's bad in many aspects. Private schools are rarely any good as they conform to a niche crowd that usually believes a more elitist philosphy than the regular schools.

After 12 yrs of schooling, I'm glad I've come out reasonably sane. This has given me something to think about. My almost-default response is "No, school isn't worthless" but really, what have I learned from the experience? A whole lot of nothing. And my troubles along the way were horrible. Highschool wasn't too bad after I got past mid-softmore year or so, but before that kids are just incredibly immature and stuff happens that shouldn't happen and people act like it's all a good thing.

I have friends who had good results from Jesuit (read: related to but not directly tied in to the church) institutions, so maybe I'd send my kids there. It shocks me now when I look back on when I was a kid and how influencial I was and how I'd believe just about anything anybody told me with any conviction. Scary stuff.

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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: World Spirit]
    #1295539 - 02/10/03 05:13 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

School just prepares the youth for conforming to this totally fucked-up system we have here in the USA - I think that's ALL school is here for now....

This creates armies of youths who are OK with this fucked-up system.. until we see major education reform, nobody's going to care to change anything else.


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1296644 - 02/10/03 12:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

if he were alive today, he would probably be diagnosed with ADHD and dosed up with Ritalin

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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Soulecho]
    #1296740 - 02/10/03 12:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't doubt it :smile:


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Re: When you can't find meaning in school... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1296770 - 02/10/03 12:38 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

i think this forum is living proof of how dumbed down education has became, and i suspect each successive generation after generation ecch! will become exponentially more ignorant, depressive, paranoid, and apathetic.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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