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Ryan8028
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Re: First Grow [Re: YHWH]
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awesome thats re assuring haha well thanks again, i'll post more updates later
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Ryan8028
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Just knocked up two mad season bags with 3 ccs each. I put one on the left between the substrate and the bag, one on the right between the substrate and the bag, and then one directly in the middle on top of the substrate. The bags are now sitting on a shelf next to my pf jars at about 80 degrees.
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Ego Questio
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You might find your jars dry out buddy-it happened to me a lot when I started-I tried improv'ing jars with just foil for lids, and the sub always dried out before the mycellium could colonise it all.
You may want to look into micropore tape-I just drilled four holes in the lids and cover them with fresh mircopore every new cake. It's awesome. I've even stopped using a dry verm barrier now-I have no need, and more cakespace.
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Ryan8028
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Hey again,
So I have 4 jars that are all coming along nicely, almost finished colonization. I took some pictures of them and wanted to get every ones opinion on them, specifically around if the first three are finished colonizing or not. Since i have 4 cakes, i was thinking that i'd experiment with a few different fruiting methods. First i was going to fruit two just as regular cakes in a SG fc, dunking for 24 hrs and rolling in verm before and in between flushes. With the other two, i was going to do a cake to cake transfer, using one jar to knock up 4 uncolonized jars (so two jars to knock up 8) of sterile brf substrate. Then i will fruit those as cakes. All work will be done in a glove box. Oh, and the inoc date was June 17th, so i'm coming up on 3 weeks this thursday.
Okay here are the pictures. Its from my computer camera so i apologize in advance if their hard to see.
Jar 1



Jar 2



Jar 3



Jar 4 (slowest jar, still able to see substrate easily)



Thanks in advanced, this grow has been really exciting so far for me and i can't wait to fruit these cakes! Any advice or suggestions are very appreciated too!
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EvilMushroom666
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Ryan8028 said: First i was going to fruit two just as regular cakes in a SG fc, dunking for 24 hrs and rolling in verm before and in between flushes.
You dunk between flushes, but only roll in verm the first time around.
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Ego Questio
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Good job on the growth,buddy.  ridiculously addictive,mycology,isn't it? 
If I were you mate,Id leave trying to inoculate more jars from the spawn of these-not to say you can't,but grains always take (IME,anyway) to transfer better than BRF-also,sterility is a bitch when you're cracking open jars for transfer-PF tek can be quite forgiving for noobs,but once you're doing transfers,you really need a flowhood or still air box at least.
If it were me,Id just fruit everything I could and go on a print collecting spree (I did,too ). You have the most chance for success,you make loadsa prints and,most of all,you get the joy of seeing your babies grow-which is what it's all about! 
if you still want to experiment though,why not birth two properly,and crumble two to bulk-maybe make a small coir/manure tray and bung that it the SG too-that wa you try something new,plus still get your fruits.
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EvilMushroom666
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Ego Questio said: Good job on the growth,buddy.  ridiculously addictive,mycology,isn't it? 
If I were you mate,Id leave trying to inoculate more jars from the spawn of these-not to say you can't,but grains always take (IME,anyway) to transfer better than BRF-also,sterility is a bitch when you're cracking open jars for transfer-PF tek can be quite forgiving for noobs,but once you're doing transfers,you really need a flowhood or still air box at least.
If it were me,Id just fruit everything I could and go on a print collecting spree (I did,too ). You have the most chance for success,you make loadsa prints and,most of all,you get the joy of seeing your babies grow-which is what it's all about! 
if you still want to experiment though,why not birth two properly,and crumble two to bulk-maybe make a small coir/manure tray and bung that it the SG too-that wa you try something new,plus still get your fruits. 
Very valid input I must say. If you cant get your hands on manure, why not try this TEK for coir/verm Bulk Substrate
Damion5050's Coir Tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595
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Ryan8028
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I'm not sure i want to try anything bulk yet, i think i want to get more experienced with the PF tek. Although Damions Tek looks very doable, especially since it doesn't require manure (difficult for me to get). I don't have that much spawn though, i can figure out the proportions though, would a tray work for this? I may just fruit them all and get alot of prints like you said. The main thing that i want to avoid is having to keep buying syringes.
Any thoughts on if any of the jars are fully colonized? I'm not quite sure how to tell if they are or not. I plan on waiting a week (if not more due to a vacation) after there fully colonized before birthing anyway, but it'd be nice to get someones opinion on this thats been through the process before.
@ Evil: So i shouldn't dunk prior to the first flush? wait till the first flush is done, then dunk and roll and then only dunk from that point on?
Thanks for your replies!
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EvilMushroom666
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@ Evil: So i shouldn't dunk prior to the first flush? wait till the first flush is done, then dunk and roll and then only dunk from that point on?
Yes dunk and roll prior to the first flush. After the first flush just dunk, do not roll again as this can create a layer for contams to grow under. Plenty of the verm will be left covering your cake after the second dunk.
As well you can easily scale down that coir tek to make a tray or two. Is just an idea if you want to try something different. Fruit two cakes, gather prints then do 1-2 bulk trays. My understanding you should be spawning at a ratio no more then 1:4.
As for consolidation, Personally I leave the jars for a week after I notice full colonization. This is more then enough time to ensure full colonization.
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Ryan8028
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Okay cool, thanks for the clear post, i'll have to think some more about whether or not i want to try to coir tek. I'll post updates though.
Thanks again!
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EvilMushroom666
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No problem man, Keep on keepin on and good luck!
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Ryan8028
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Update and a question:
The jars are all colonized on the outside and have been that way for about 5 days now. I am leaving for a vacation and cannot bring the jars with me. Would it be okay to just leave them on the shelf their currently sitting on or should i move them to the fridge?
I built my SG fc and will be fruiting my cakes on the 23rd once i get back from vacation.
Thanks for all the help again!
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How long is your vacation? Are the jars fully colonized not only on the outside, but under? Fridges are yucky places, but a cool temp will stall growth. Personally, if I were you and the vacation was less than a week, I would just let them be and birth them upon my return, but hey I don't exactly have a LOT of experience under my belt, so take it for what it's worth
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Ryan8028
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Update:
Just picked my first flush ever. Unfortunately, i don't have a scale anymore so i can't weight them out but i'll be getting one soon and will post the dry weight then. I also have two mad bags that are almost done colonizing and i'll be putting those in the FC soon. I dunked the cake i took the flush from along with another cake that wasn't fruiting (although there were 2 very small pins that i couldn't see until i removed the verm for the dunk...hopefully the dunk doesn't fuck it up, advice here would be much appreciated) with the other two cakes, it felt dry. There's also one cake left in the FC (pics below) that seems to be producing more mushies than the cake i harvested today.
I have the shrooms fan drying right now and will be picking up some desiccant later today.
This has been awesome, i'm really excited to be harvesting I took a print with the cap thats detached in the pics below, was going to use the big one but couldn't get myself to cut that one up 
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glad to see the success! first successes just feel orgasmic don't they? 
a big factor for me in determining when to dunk a cake is to simply pick it up. if it feels really light, its probably lacking a lot of water. its good to get a feel for the weight of a freshly dunked cake versus a cake that's really thirsty! dunking with pins is okay, if you have pins that are not black and don't seem to be moving, then don't touch them, they will grow in a later flush most likely. i dunk for about 20 hours (i shy from 24 with pins cause i just feel like im suffocating them, ya know?). good luck to ya.
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Ryan8028
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okay cool, thanks man. I harvested the cake in the previous pic, here's the results. It's really rewarding seeing these cakes finally fruit haha. I fan dried that first batch and they are now sitting in a bag with desiccant to make them cracker dry.

I put the two dunked cakes back in the FC so we'll see what pops up next. The cake that i just harvested is being dunked right now and i will put it in the FC around 12 tonight.
I have that print too so i need to decide what to do with it and what my next project is going to be, any suggestions or recommendations of good teks that don't require a pressure cooker?
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Ryan8028
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The cakes that had their first flush were both dunked and now all have pins forming on em. One if the cakes had spores deposited on it from the first flush and i was wondering if this will effect the growth of the mushrooms and what i should do if it will?
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Ryan8028 said: The cakes that had their first flush were both dunked and now all have pins forming on em. One if the cakes had spores deposited on it from the first flush and i was wondering if this will effect the growth of the mushrooms and what i should do if it will?
nah it doesn't do any harm, just gives you dark purple cakes haha. nothing to worry about
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Ego Questio said: Good job on the growth,buddy.  ridiculously addictive,mycology,isn't it? 
If I were you mate,Id leave trying to inoculate more jars from the spawn of these-not to say you can't,but grains always take (IME,anyway) to transfer better than BRF-also,sterility is a bitch when you're cracking open jars for transfer-PF tek can be quite forgiving for noobs,but once you're doing transfers,you really need a flowhood or still air box at least.
If it were me,Id just fruit everything I could and go on a print collecting spree (I did,too ). You have the most chance for success,you make loadsa prints and,most of all,you get the joy of seeing your babies grow-which is what it's all about! 
if you still want to experiment though,why not birth two properly,and crumble two to bulk-maybe make a small coir/manure tray and bung that it the SG too-that wa you try something new,plus still get your fruits. 
Are you saying he can take one of the cakes and crumble it up into a monotub? I would like to do that with one of my cakes. I'd like to start a big block that's gonna fruit for a while. How long would it take a big ass slab of sub to colonize? Is there a step by step I can read of this process? I have several questions but I don't really know how to ask them lol
Edit: Nevermind, yes is the answer,
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Edited by Fungal-one (08/09/10 06:31 AM)
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I'll be watching. it's exciting! I'll have a growkit next week.
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