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    #12759690 - 06/17/10 07:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

So, this is my first time trying to write a tek so cut me some slack.  It isn't a full blown tek since I never fully documented the process but since people have been asking about it, I figured Id write out my process for spawning cakes to pure verm in a bowl to increase yield easily.

So far, I have done this twice and am currently fruiting a 3rd (no pins yet).  It has yet to fail me and has effectively almost doubled my usual yield from a single cake.  I am still working on perfecting the technique but as is, it seems pretty solid.

Before we get started, here are a couple of photos from my last batch:

(BHT Strain from MS)


So how did I do it?  Let's get started...

Things you'll need:
- 1 1/2pt cake 100% colonized and consolidated
- 1 bowl about 6" in diameter and 2.5" deep
- Plastic baggie
- Spray bottle
- Tin foil
- Vermiculite
- Water
- Bowl for mixing vermiculite with water

The process:
1 - Put a few handfulls of vermiculite into your mixing bowl
2 - Add water and mix until vermiculite is at optimum moisture (not soaked but clumpable)
3 - Birth your cake into the plastic baggie and seal
4 - Crumble the cake in the baggie until you have pieces about the size of dice or smaller
5 - Lightly create a layer of the wet verm about 1/2" - 3/4" deep at the bottom of your fruiting bowl
6 - Distribute the crumbled cake evenly on top of the wet verm, trying to keep air pockets between chunks of myc to a minimum
7 - Lightly spray the myc layer with water from your spray bottle
8 - Using DRY verm, do your best to fill in any air pockets between chunks of myc
9 - Top it off with a thin layer of dry verm so as to just cover the myc, don't let any white show through but keep it to a minimum.
10 - Spray the top layer down well with water from your spray bottle.  Again, don't get it super wet, just enough for optimum moisture
11 - Cover the bowl with aluminum foil, poke a few small holes for gas exchange, and place back into incubation conditions
12 - It should only take 3 - 4 days in incubation to be ready to fruit.  You do not want the entire thing to be fully colonized.  This is what a bowl at optimum colonization should look like when it is ready to fruit:



*** If you notice in the first pic, the pins seem to form mostly on the areas where the verm is still exposed so if you check on your bowl and it is more colonized than the pic above, you may want to lightly dust the top with a little more dry verm before putting into fruiting.

13 - Once you take the bowl out of incubation and remove the foil, give it a good spray with water and place into normal SGFC conditions.

14 - Mist and fan regularly and within a week you should have a wonderful pinset sprouting out of your bowl!

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That's about it.  It's pretty simple and while I have not been very sterile while doing this, I have not run into any contam issues ::knock on wood::

I hope this helps some of you.  I know it isn't going to produce a ton in comparison to a true bulk grow but since I got this down, I'll never fruit another cake normally again.

Feel free to ask questions or post results from your attempts as well.  I would like to hear more about other's experiences using this method.

Thanks for reading and happy growing!


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12759824 - 06/17/10 07:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome tek man, didn't even seem like it'd be your first at all!

What was the average dry yield of fruits from each bowl (1/2 pint cake) per first flush?  Looks like way more than an average cake birthed into a SCFC regularly!  (Looks way more than 3.5 grams.

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: fungalEntropy]
    #12759849 - 06/17/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

My first bowl (which is not shown here) yielded 70g wet.  The one in the pictures I did not get a chance to weigh but it was definitely more than the first and I would take a guess that it was close to 100g wet.


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12759854 - 06/17/10 07:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

you should give some prints to the FSR

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12759868 - 06/17/10 07:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I'll look into that.


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12759969 - 06/17/10 07:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

how do you do another flush?


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12759996 - 06/17/10 08:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Pick all the shrooms then cover the top with another thin layer of verm to cover the holes and such, then spray well with water.  These bowls have been giving me 4 - 5 flushes and still sprouting a few shrooms thereafter.

Recently I found a product which is liquified worm castings (Terra Cycle Worm Poop).  I'm starting to experiment with using a bit of that in my bowl prep and between flushes (my current bowl project).  I'm hoping it will give me slightly better flushes, slightly more potent shrooms, and keep it going for more flushes.  We'll see how that works out.


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: GaneshNoIgnorance]
    #12760012 - 06/17/10 08:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Buddy, I like this. I have some c'ed cakes and I'm going to make one. I love pf techniques, can I link this in my sig? Also check out the c2c innoc. in my sig:mushroom2:

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12760036 - 06/17/10 08:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sure, you can link it in your sig.  I actually saw your c2c inoculation earlier.  I am also a fan of c2c and while my usual method has been working, I feel like yours might be a bit safer (I have just been literally opening sterile jars and manually insterting chunks of myc).  I think I'll try your technique next time.

Thanks!


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12760466 - 06/17/10 09:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The yeilds you experience from spawning the cake to verm are the same as a cake fruited as a cake, I find it less hassle to just fruit cakes as cakes :shrug:

nice looking bowls :mushroom2:

Edited by Shea25 (06/17/10 09:14 PM)

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: Shea25]
    #12760496 - 06/17/10 09:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

he said 7 and 10 grams off a half pint flush.....sounds better yeilding than a cake to me! Even if you only got 2 flushes you would still get your total yeild but in less time

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12760508 - 06/17/10 09:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

paducahovoids said:
he said 7 and 10 grams off a half pint flush.....sounds better yeilding than a cake to me! Even if you only got 2 flushes you would still get your total yeild but in less time




Not quite, A cake fruited as a cake can yeild 13+ dry grams, just fruited as a cake.

Its not uncommon for me to get 100+ wet gram first flushes from a normal cake. It will also fruit faster as opposed to crumbling it up and fruiting it

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: Shea25]
    #12760562 - 06/17/10 09:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Shea,

Have you tried this method?  Do you know from experience that this won't produce more than a cake?  Perhaps YOU have gotten 100+ grams from cakes, in which case, I'd like to see if you could do even better with a bowl.

In my first attempt at this, I took 2 identical cakes (multi spore c2c from the same cake) and fruited one as a cake and one in a bowel.  The bowel beat the cake hands down.  I know you'll say a MS grow is inconsistent but it my bowls seem to consistently yield more than cakes, at least for me.

:shrug:


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12760581 - 06/17/10 09:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

iFung said:
Shea,

Have you tried this method?  Do you know from experience that this won't produce more than a cake?  Perhaps YOU have gotten 100+ grams from cakes, in which case, I'd like to see if you could do even better with a bowl.

In my first attempt at this, I took 2 identical cakes (multi spore c2c from the same cake) and fruited one as a cake and one in a bowel.  The bowel beat the cake hands down.  I know you'll say a MS grow is inconsistent but it my bowls seem to consistently yield more than cakes, at least for me.

:shrug:




As I have said above I have spawned cakes to pure verm before, so I am basing off personal experience, My cakes grows that have yielded 100+ gram first flushes have all been MS as well .

I am not knocking your tek, just giving my opinion, Next time I do a grow I will do a side by side from an isolate

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: Shea25]
    #12760592 - 06/17/10 09:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That would rock.  Would love to see the results.


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: iFung]
    #12762062 - 06/18/10 04:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey man, good stuff. If you had 7 - 10 grams dry, imagine if you did this with like 20 + cakes? It would be like, a multiple mini bulk grow. :smile: Definately favoriting this!


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: Kyleman]
    #12762116 - 06/18/10 05:30 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I got 2 identical isolate cakes fully colonized right now. I'll start the experiment today:awesomenod:

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12762162 - 06/18/10 05:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I like it...!!!! :naughty:


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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: Tolerated]
    #12762695 - 06/18/10 09:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Could someone explain what SGFC conditions are?

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Re: Cake2Bowl Tek [Re: nebhazard5]
    #12762719 - 06/18/10 09:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I saw another experiment, a cake vs a cased cake in a bowl..nothing mixed in...everyone said the cake would do better. The casing did. I think doing something with cakes helps get more consistent results then fruiting them as cakes. Most dont get anywhere near this much from cakes as cakes. Nice job.


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