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Offline!!"""""
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datura
    #1275950 - 02/03/03 08:52 PM (21 years, 30 days ago)

Anybody got any datura out there??
If so e-mail us at the address,
shroomy@btopenworld.com
will swap or buy.

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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1276210 - 02/04/03 01:17 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

just curious. why in another thread do you say
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Also watch out for that MOTHER FUCKER of a drug DATURA
that fucked me up good and still has an evil hold on my mind.



and then you come here and look to swap or buy it?


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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1276217 - 02/04/03 01:26 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

I have D. inoxia seeds, but I'm not gonna trade/sell them for any use but growth.

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Re: datura [Re: Bilge]
    #1276246 - 02/04/03 01:40 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

It still has an evil hold on his mind. That is why.


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Re: datura [Re: sirreal]
    #1276308 - 02/04/03 02:07 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

"datura....we wants it, my preciousssss"


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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1276878 - 02/04/03 05:45 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

I want it too, but it kind of scarry. I read some bad stuff about it... Anyone with a personal experience here who is still alive ?  :smirk:
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Re: datura [Re: BC-Shroom]
    #1277371 - 02/04/03 08:10 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

i have had a couple unpleasant experiences myself and i have had a friend spend 3 weeks in a hospital after being found naked and blathering in a stranger's driveway after being lost in the woods for 3 days. i personally didn't find a single positive thing about the experience and my friend became a born again christian.


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Re: datura [Re: Bilge]
    #1277446 - 02/04/03 08:35 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: datura [Re: ]
    #1277517 - 02/04/03 08:58 AM (21 years, 29 days ago)

once upon a time i was at a friends house inquiring after mushrooms, and much to my surprise i was shown a huge jug of datura tea of some kind. Completely ignortant of this drug i was told it was like a mushroom tripo, and stupidly agreed to try some. I (thank god) was very cautious, and sipped only a very small amount. the results werent much to tell about but hey. first i noticed a feeling of, i dunno agitation or something, like an internal itchyness. i wanted to sleep or something it was a very strange feeling. a heaviness came over me and my throat felt constricted. i got cotten mouth like nothing ive ever felt before, a chip pasted my entire mouth like chalk. i could barely swallow. after this i looked in a mirror and noticed intensely bloodshot eyes. i headed out to find some pot and on the way began leaping madly on and off street curbs. this was probably the only good part of the trip. every time i jumped it felt like i was gliding through the air wieghtlessly. i enjoyed this for a little bit longer then calmed down a bit. thats about all that happend, but by extrapolation i can assume that a higher dose would have been very unpleasant. i did not at all get the feeling that the the drug was a friendly one, nor did it desire to teach me anything, except perhaps to leave it alone. im just glad i got off as light as i did.

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Re: datura [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #1283305 - 02/05/03 10:06 PM (21 years, 28 days ago)

after what i heard, avoid it.


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Re: datura [Re: xanor]
    #1283559 - 02/06/03 02:53 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

I agree with that it is something to be avoided for sure!


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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1283572 - 02/06/03 03:03 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

Datura's not a drug, it's makes you delerious. Hallucinations are real but so real you can't enjoy them. To me, datura has no recreational value at all. You'll have the same opinion after you try it. Curiousity killed the cat.


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Re: datura [Re: ]
    #1283884 - 02/06/03 05:06 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

Very nice quote Mr. Mushrooms
Datura is one for the daring, I too have had friends hospitalized. Would suggest staying away..witches brew

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Re: datura [Re: shaggy101]
    #1285049 - 02/06/03 10:39 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

...If I could only find don Juan, maybe he could show me how, but I wouldn't try it without a good sitter.


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Re: datura [Re: peruvian spark]
    #1289942 - 02/07/03 08:49 PM (21 years, 26 days ago)

yah its great if you dont mind me out of your mind for a day or 2. if you use datura i suggest locking all door and unplugging the phone, put away or lock up all dangerous or breakable items and have a sitter strong enough to control you. i have danced with datura severl times and gotten deep into my pysche i beleive. it is not to approached for a recreational trip however and you shold definately do your research. I have tree datura growing for ornamental value (Angels Trumpet, Datura brugmansia) supposedly the most dangerous/potent. ITs a beautiful plant but can hold a dark suprise for anyone who isnt knowledgable. be extremely careful if you venture to explore this plant.


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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1290369 - 02/08/03 05:51 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Datura is better off classified as a poison or a toxin... It's not a drug. Definitely avoid it.

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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1290391 - 02/08/03 06:01 AM (21 years, 25 days ago)

Keep away from it, man. If you really really really have to have a datura related experience, try smoking the leaves. But leave the seeds alone, they have nothing to offer but horrible horrible experiences.

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Re: datura [Re: ]
    #1292365 - 02/09/03 02:57 AM (21 years, 24 days ago)

I find the only thing wrong with dactora is the crappy body load. To much dehydration sore throate unable to piss other than that i found it to be totaly strange. Seeing creatures in my salvia plants trying to smoke joints that kept dissapearing, not forgetting that i was unable to read and my eyes where still dilated more or less all the next day. But if you want to take it just make sure you have some fly agaric for antidote just in case of od.


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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #1293158 - 02/09/03 09:00 AM (21 years, 24 days ago)

HAhahahha, you're in for some shit if you wanna do that drug.


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Re: datura [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1293554 - 02/09/03 11:40 AM (21 years, 24 days ago)

Especialy if you want to munch on some go bed and for some reason wake up in hospital wondering what the f**k is going on. But it aint that bad just have a sitter.


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Re: datura [Re: EvilGir]
    #1293711 - 02/09/03 01:39 PM (21 years, 24 days ago)

And if not in a hospital most likely in jail and you'll come to when your sitting in court not knowing what the fuck is going on and being accused of prowling.


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Re: datura [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1294508 - 02/09/03 06:19 PM (21 years, 24 days ago)

i walked in a store wearing just my boxers and mumbling about buying a new playstation game. or thats what my friend told me happened later. i know i went in the store and did something bc they look at me funny now


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Re: datura [Re: Audi0]
    #1310859 - 02/16/03 02:10 AM (21 years, 17 days ago)


Datura can be handled, but it is highly potent and very easy to overdo. If allowed to return to the land of Psychedelix I'll post about my findings a few months from now. No PMs about this, please, but if used correctly the amount needed usually lies around 1/50-1/25 of a single gram with a max. dose of 1/20 gram and a ceiling of 1/10! gram of dried leaf, flower or seed. You've read me right, that's the 20-100mg range. Teaspoons & thimbles can kill and madden, trust the Wiccan on this.

When your mouth dries up... you took too much
When you get OEVs... you took too much
When your CEVs exceed those of 1gr of decent Shrooms... you took too much
When strong emotions develop... you took too much
When you want something other than subtle... Datura is the WRONG DRUG.

Datura is for Spiritual Seekers only, since only a Spiritual quest is important enough to enter Atropia and only the Spiritually inclined can find anything of value there worth taking this kind of risks. Scopolamine and Hyoscyamine are SERIOUS Entities, toying with them is toying with your health.
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Re: datura [Re: Cherk]
    #1313145 - 02/17/03 02:19 AM (21 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Datura's not a drug, it's makes you delerious. 



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Re: datura [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1313586 - 02/17/03 07:55 AM (21 years, 16 days ago)

I was on a relatively small dose and it was not enjoyable at all. I dont really find any recreational use in this plant at all.

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Re: datura [Re: EvilGir]
    #1313676 - 02/17/03 08:42 AM (21 years, 16 days ago)

For a good lesson about Datur yall should read Carlos Castaneda's books
The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge.  Good Good book
peace :grin:

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Re: datura [Re: EvilGir]
    #1315348 - 02/17/03 06:51 PM (21 years, 16 days ago)

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But if you want to take it just make sure you have some fly agaric for antidote just in case of od.




fly agaric is too low in muscarine to be an effective antidote to atropine poisoning.
youed poison yourself worse on the muscimol/ ibotenic acid, before you got enough muscarine out of the mushroom.

youed be looking for more of an inocybe or clitocybe, but be warned muscarine is as poisonous as atropine, seldom do either lead to death. and oddly enough they negate each other if taken in even quantity.
still, the idea of using a poisonous, potentiall deadly mushroom to cure the effects of a poisonous, potentially deadly plant. all in the name of cheap recreational intoxication....
hmmm, thats like dancing on libras balance under he sword of damecles over hell while playing russian roullette with a psychic ghost and smoking an immaginary ciggarette with the worst cottonmouth of your life.

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Re: datura [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1315713 - 02/18/03 12:47 AM (21 years, 15 days ago)

Worse still...

Before Muscimol/Ibotenic Acid were identified it was designated the name "Pilzatropin", German for "Mushroom Atropine". Muscimol is an anticholinergic just like Hyoscyamine and Scopolamine, it just has less peripheral (side) effects.

Should one use Fly Agaric in the case of Tropane poisoning, one would effectively worsen the delirium and enhance the risk for coma & respiratory depression which generally are the killers in Tropane poisoning.

So... In fact Datura and Fly Agaric basically boil down to Anticholinergic Delirium. The safest of both would be Fly Agaric, but slightly high doses of it can plunge you in a coma too.
Anticholinergics are among the most dangerous psychotropix because they're easily misused and as far as I know they're the substances surrounded by the most (dangerous) misinformation.



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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
    #1315758 - 02/18/03 01:43 AM (21 years, 15 days ago)

Wiccan is 100% right on! The Dark ones are only to be approached with training and caution.They can in fact, Take over your mind so all of his indications for use are correct to prevent unwanted intrusion by a very dark controlling plant (I do not use the term ally for Datura,it is much more making a bargain with the Dark for any insight recieved.
WS Please stay away from this Majick,it is directly working through your "heart energy" Stay with the benevolent teachers such as S/P,fungi,and peyote.Ask them for healing for your heart once you regain strength.If your asking is sincere healing will come(perhaps not physical miracles but certainly spiritual).
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Re: datura [Re: whiterasta]
    #1316346 - 02/18/03 08:19 AM (21 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: datura [Re: ]
    #1324260 - 02/21/03 07:10 AM (21 years, 12 days ago)

jesus the man asked for some seeds not a lecture.

we all know datura is bad yes? im sure he's heard this all before.

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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
    #1325577 - 02/21/03 09:01 PM (21 years, 12 days ago)

tropane related deaths i would think would result more likely from heart failure, dehydration, and/or hyperthermia.
coma would be the result of the latter two effects, or a complication of the first (or all three)

respiratory depression would be so far down the line that it would be the LEAST of your troubles.

mucarine is ALSO a mushroom-atropine.
or at least thats what i was told by some guy.
it just so happens to be the antidote to plant-based atropine....
i dont know all the details, but i do know that if i was ever stupid enough to eat too much datura, i wouldnt be smart enough to doll out my own dosage of potentially deadly-toxic mushrooms.

oh yesssss, and i have some seedlings going of the double queen variety.
the pack says burgmansia. but by the picture i tend to dissaggree. looks like dature (the herb) to me as opposed to tree-like burgmansia.

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Re: datura [Re: Mitchnast]
    #1325616 - 02/21/03 09:53 PM (21 years, 12 days ago)

True, in the depressant stage of lethal Atropine poisoning the heart gives out OR the respiration goes, according to my sources. The stimulant phase of the Hyoscyamine/Atropine is followed by a depressant one. In Scopolamine/Atroscine it usually is the only phase, unless extreme doses are taken. It's this depressant phase that causes the coma. (CNS Depression + Exhaustion)

Muscarine is a Cholinergic, the exact opposite of an Anticholinergic, but it is no exact match. It is a quaternary amine, which means it's highly active against peripheral symptoms, but does nothing against the central Tropane effects.

The correct amount of homogenized Datura combined with correct quantities of homogenized Inocybe opens the gates to Atropia wide with very little side-effects. Only 2 things, tho: Since both are highly toxic, one has to be an expert herbalist to balance this out. Secondly, an expert herbalist wouldn't DREAM of opening the gates of Atropia to the extent that this would be needed.

I can't stress enough: Datura is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, Physically, Psychologically and Spiritually, but with strict precautions it can be handled. Any dose that gives rise to "cottonmouth" or the
"Hot as a Hare, Red as a Beet, Dry as a Bone, Mad as a Wet Hen"
symptoms signals you've taken a seriously dangerous dose & this includes OEV in the light.


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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
    #1325661 - 02/21/03 10:53 PM (21 years, 11 days ago)

it sounds like you're saying that OEVs would indicate that one has taken too much. What really, is too much?


*note* I have no experience with this plant/entity


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Re: datura [Re: rhizo]
    #1325704 - 02/22/03 12:01 AM (21 years, 11 days ago)

I ment to say precisely that :grin:

What IS too much? Hmm... exact amounts would not do, because some people are WAY more/less sensitive than others to the Visionary Tropanes. The best gouge would be the intensity of effects you experience.
My old, old medical books pin the maximal medical doses of Datura Stramonium (That's Hyoscyamine-based) between 50-200mg. This means that most people can manage these amounts without serious side effects. Please note -most- in that. The average max. is 100mg, and here usually saliva starts to dry up in most.

Teaspoons & thimbles reccommended at Erowid by dumbass users may kill and madden, I've said that before. Doses of 2.5mg Hyoscyamine, 5mg Atropine and/or 1mg of Scopolamine tend to be harmful and acutely toxic in -most cases-. But in alot of cases alot less can do alot of damage.
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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
    #1325854 - 02/22/03 03:49 AM (21 years, 11 days ago)

aren't there recipes that use monkshood as an admixture to tropanaceous flying ointments? aconite or aconitine ?
(a reputed european expert on flying-ointments died a few years ago from rubbing some medicated goo on his body, so... exercise caution, eh? even people who "know what they are doing" can run into trouble with these plants...)


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Re: datura [Re: gnrm23]
    #1326262 - 02/22/03 08:59 AM (21 years, 11 days ago)

grnm yes monkshood foxglove datura mandrake belladonna henbane all sorts went into those nutty potions

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Re: datura [Re: gnrm23]
    #1327637 - 02/22/03 10:18 PM (21 years, 11 days ago)

Indeed.
But aconitine is soooo dangerous, way more so than Muscarine. Aconite (Aconitum Napellus) would be used to counteract heart effects, but it's main ingredient is on the more toxic end of the plant toxin spectrum.

Again: Anyone who NEEDS antidotes in the mix is on the wrong path.
Most "recipies" I've seen were made up by people that didn't really understand the matter they wrote on. In Atropia getting fucked up generally means getting fucked over.


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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
    #1327675 - 02/22/03 10:35 PM (21 years, 11 days ago)

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In Atropia getting fucked up generally means getting fucked over.




that's themost fitting explanation i've heard yet.


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Re: datura [Re: canid]
    #1513842 - 05/02/03 01:56 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

So may warnings yet people still feel they NEED to mess with this stuff...i dont understand?


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Re: datura [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #1513847 - 05/02/03 01:59 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

i don't either.


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Re: datura [Re: canid]
    #1514226 - 05/02/03 08:04 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Shit?

Have some growin,sad to here its noy really an ethno an so dangerous?
Man you guys like to dig up old posts but thanks for the warnigs!!!!! :shocked: 


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Re: datura [Re: canid]
    #1514228 - 05/02/03 08:05 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Shit?

Have some growin,sad to here its noy really an ethno an so dangerous?
Man you guys like to dig up old posts but thanks for the warnings!!!!! :shocked: 


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Re: datura [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #1514482 - 05/02/03 10:15 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Datura = Da heebeejeebee's!!!

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Re: datura [Re: !!"""""]
    #4168354 - 05/12/05 08:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Datura is my favorite drug, if you can call it that. I've done it numerous times and everytime it has been nice for me. I've done all kinds of weird stuff while tripping. I've been transported to other times, other places. Its crazy stuff, and no matter how hardcore or dangerous it is i recommend it to everyone who is alive. I love it. I've done it 3 days in a row and have not died, as long as you take it the right way there is no worries. I have a ton of it if anyone is willing to trade anything for it, i will give you much. Datura is the most hardcore drug i have ever done, and i've done alot. I love the drug like a brother.

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Re: datura [Re: Lickmycrust77]
    #4172604 - 05/13/05 08:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

:eek:


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Re: datura [Re: Lickmycrust77]
    #4173935 - 05/14/05 08:42 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Datura is my favorite drug, if you can call it that. I've done it numerous times and everytime it has been nice for me. I've done all kinds of weird stuff while tripping. I've been transported to other times, other places. Its crazy stuff, and no matter how hardcore or dangerous it is i recommend it to everyone who is alive. I love it. I've done it 3 days in a row and have not died, as long as you take it the right way there is no worries. I have a ton of it if anyone is willing to trade anything for it, i will give you much. Datura is the most hardcore drug i have ever done, and i've done alot. I love the drug like a brother.







Aaah! A fellow Atropian!

You have no idea.. What you're getting into.
Most beautiful closed-eye visuals in the world, aren't they?
Hell has a way to bedazzle those who don't want to see.

And I do mean Hell, not the Christian hell nor a metaphoric manner-of-speech one.
I'm talking about Hell.

no matter how (..) dangerous it is i recommend it to everyone
wow.

I've done it 3 days in a row and have not died
wow.

I have a ton of it if anyone is willing to trade anything for it, i will give you much."
wow.

Datura is my favorite drug, if you can call it that. (..) I love the drug like a brother.

Wow.. they really got you, didn't they?

You are acknowledging the fact it is very dangerous, but trivialize the risk of death. You -defend- Atropia by stating you binged on it yet did not die.

You're right. You can't call it a "drug" because it's much, much more than that. It opens the doors to Atropia.

Oh man. Please realize that doses that give open-eye visuals are causing braindamage. That your bloodpressure will go to 160/120 or so, and how about a pulse of 180... or when you're out of it 40 beats per minute?

Its so fascinating! Its so beautiful!
But you can die in there. You can lose your sanity in there. You can lose your ability to function outside of a chronic ward in there.

You are acting like the Jehova's Witness of Hell here, trying to sell the Black Watchtower :wink:

If you are using the doses i think you're using as often as you suggest you do then it is likely you will die in Atropia.
Or you'll snuff out the brightness of your identity.

Atropia has been kind to you.. But at what cost? Only a cardiologist, psychiatrist and a neurologist can try to assess that.

In small, precise doses Atropia can be explored. But I think you're talking of fullblown deliriant doses of hundreds (or thousands) of miligrams.

We all live in two worlds: the waking one and the dreaming one.
Ever wondered why they are separated by mutual amnesia? Why these need to be seperated? Ever wondered what a wide-awake nightmare would be like? You don't want to be awake and find out.
Millions of "witches" were burned at the stake on town squares for matters surrounding these herbs and the divide between these realms.

Sounds like a good campfire horror story but whether you look at it from shamanism or from western science you can argue that psychotropics open up realms of experience. Not every realm is suitable for anyone. But the realm of experience that these nightshades open is the one that unites -literally neurologically unites- dreams, delirium and psychosis.

The herbs and molecules are directly and insidiously toxic for the body and mind.

What drug is more appropriately called a "nightmare drug" than a highly toxic one that biochemically opens the gate to the land of nightmares while your body in this world is being poisoned?



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Re: datura [Re: Lickmycrust77]
    #4174018 - 05/14/05 09:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Either you're a puppet, narc or ignorant fool for stating what I HOPE is your opinion. Perhaps it does work for you. But "It's comin' and hummin'", that is, the time when it will finally put you down for the count.
Please don't spread dangerous misinformation here, that goes against everything the shroomery's about, buddy.


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Re: datura [Re: crazyman]
    #4174302 - 05/14/05 11:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i would never recomend datura or any other deliriant to anyone, it's kinda like saying if you stay up for two months straight, you'll hallucinate, it's just not worth it, thats basicly what most people would describe atropine "trip" as,,tripping is not a good word for it, more like sleepwalking + dangerous (deadly) phisical side effects..

however, i have found there to be some small % of possible beneficial factor from atropine alkoloids, i'm talking small doses like wiccan seeker was saying..

i have never done datura, in small doses or in big doses, i have done diphinhydramine/diphinhrdranate (another deliriant) around 50 times in the past year or so, ranging from 12 to 48 benadryl tabs, and at times several nights in a row, 24 tabs or less made me sleepy and enibriated, 36 tabs hasme sleepwalking, even when i do hallucinate, i usually control myself, almost on a subconsionse level i know i'm fucked up and am really enjoying it, for a minute i'm at work, and i tell my co worker to go get some change for my cashier droor, yet it's usually like a pyschic way i talk, i don't speak out loud, i'm still just sitting in my room on my bed, as i see her walk away, she leaves my room through my door, and than i get confused, i know i'm fucked up, but i can't tell what is real, am i at work fucked up? or am at home? i have to sit and think hard to figure it out, and slowly my room starts to reapear and i know where i am, not scary at all though, very calm and relaxed, not even tired anymore, it's almost like an opiate high, except the part of me enjoying the euphoira is all subconcience, and when i do realise i'm hallucinating, i think "oh wait untell she comes back, i wonder if she know i'm fucked up?" and than i realise,"oh wait, she must have been not real either if i'm not at work," "but i still need change," and just before i get off my bed to get change i realise again, i'm not at work, therefore i dont need change, because i only have about 2-3 seconds of memory before i forget everything again, it basicly a series of concepts and people and things piled on each other for 12 hours, and i got the worst short term memory to figure out what is real and what is fake,i like it, good times. :grin: :thumbup:

but i could never realy reccomend it to anyone, it's kinda like scary horror movies, some people like to get freaked out, others, not so much..


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Re: datura [Re: crazyman]
    #4175267 - 05/14/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"Please don't spread dangerous misinformation here"

i aint spreadin no misinformation, i just said that i love datura and reccommend it to anyone, how is that misinformation? I just said i tripped balls and loved it, and thats true so how is that misinformation? It may be dangerous, and i may die doin it, but you only live once, live fast die young. I'd rather die tonight on datura than an old man with tons of wires hooked to me to keep me alive.. But datura is great, i wouldnt recommend it for everyday of your life, but to atleast give it a try once. The trip is crazy, i've talked to cheech and chong, talked to murphy brown, etc. Once i thought i was swimming at this lake,icould feel the cold water on my skin and everything, but i was really just sitting on my bed staring at the wall, eyes wide open. One time my girlfriend found me sitting in the middle of a darkroom, on the floor talking to myself, haha. Its a great trip and everyone should try it atleast once, but not a low dosage trip, those are boring as hell. Live fast Die young.

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