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Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics
    #12757763 - 06/17/10 11:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I use psychedelics for self understanding. I have documented my use in personal journals, where I describe my experiences and what I have learned from them. My wife would be able to testify that psychedelics have made me a better person, and other close friends and relatives would probably be willing to send a statement to the same effect.

Do you think this information would be helpful at all? From a rational perspective, I would think the judge would find my motive less offensive than a pleasure seeker. On the other hand it might show a lack of remorse. I've never been arrested for anything in my life.

I would also rather be honest, but not if that incurs the wrath of the state.

Any thoughts on the topic?

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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: JonnyS]
    #12760851 - 06/17/10 10:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck.

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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: suburbanned]
    #12762046 - 06/18/10 04:47 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

From the judge's perspective, you're purposefully violating and showing contempt for the laws of your country by using psychedelics.  Unless they've looked into the matter themselves they'll probably think that you're just rationalizing "getting high".


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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Freedom]
    #12762581 - 06/18/10 09:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Freedom said:
From a rational perspective, I would think the judge would find my motive less offensive than a pleasure seeker.


How ridiculous it is that we live in a society where pleasure-seeking behavior can in any way, shape, or form be considered offensive. :nonono:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Poid]
    #12764996 - 06/18/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck I must have been drunk or something when I first wrote that, it looks like I got arrested but I didn't.


Anyway I was thinking the best bet is get a lawyer who knows the judge, and knows how the drug has responded to drug violations (you know all those personal thoughts the judge shares).

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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Poid]
    #12765064 - 06/18/10 05:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Sure a good argument and reasoning could certainly help.

As far as lack of remorse you need to explain your understanding of the social contract and express remorse for breaking ANY law just on the basis that you're violating the social contract, despite the merit of the actual law.

Judges take remorse, context, effect, etc. into consideration during sentencing when they can.  Not being a drug dealer that has harmed others and destroyed their own life will go a long way to getting a reduced sentence.


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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: fastfred]
    #12765068 - 06/18/10 05:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Judges take remorse, context, effect, etc. into consideration during sentencing when they can.


Depends on what kind of judge you get.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Poid]
    #12765162 - 06/18/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
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fastfred said:
Judges take remorse, context, effect, etc. into consideration during sentencing when they can.


Depends on what kind of judge you might get.




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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Freedom] * 1
    #12767370 - 06/19/10 01:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

None of that bullshit will help you. I call it bullshit because I found out firsthand that such tactics, however logical they seem, are completely irrelevant. I got popped for psychedelics, which I used as you describe with the same effects and plenty of corroborating witnesses, but when it comes down to it, you don't wanna play that game. Once I was informed "...punishable by 20 years or $375,000..." I promptly forgot about making such appeals to reason, and took a deal as soon as it was offered. Being right ain't worth gambling big blocks of your life. The justice system is a system: it's designed to create statistics. It doesn't care what your opinions are. If the facts fit the law books, you're gonna get prosecuted if it's already come that far.

As a final note, HONESTY NEVER PAYS when dealing with the justice system at any level. Shut up, get a lawyer, and let them do ALL the talking.


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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Grok]
    #12772217 - 06/20/10 05:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Some judges might be sympathetic to such an argument, but they are quite rare.


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Re: Hypothetical Possession of Psychedelics [Re: Grok]
    #12932454 - 07/21/10 08:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Grok said:
It doesn't care what your opinions are. If the facts fit the law books, you're gonna get prosecuted if it's already come that far.

As a final note, HONESTY NEVER PAYS when dealing with the justice system at any level. Shut up, get a lawyer, and let them do ALL the talking.




Absolutely.

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