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OfflineMDMA4all
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The Casing Layer
    #1275397 - 02/03/03 07:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

There are a many ways to prepare your layer of casing, with straight verm, coco coir, peat moss, lime, oyster shells, and Jiffy Mix... Well those are the ones that I know right off the bat. I am sure this has been debated and debated over and over again.... But I was wondering, do you all find any particular mix of these to be more efficient, I mean what does each different medium provide for the mushroom. I mean I understand to lower contam rate, moisture levels, and air flow.. But do any of these add any nutrients, or help the mushroom more than the other?

So, I guess what I am asking is what do you all feel is the best casing layer combination?


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: MDMA4all]
    #1275413 - 02/03/03 07:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Anything with nutrients will give better results but will have contam problems if it isnt pasturized or well taken care of. If you're a first timer to casings, go for a non-nutriative layer. I did straight verm. for a while. Good results, it holds moister well and is really light. Now I'm using coconut fiber, it dryes out fairly easily but so far I've been liking the results better. Just takes a little more attention. Usually, the ones that take more work will give better yields. If it's worth it is personal oppinion.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: MDMA4all]
    #1275414 - 02/03/03 07:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What are the caseing layers that dont need to be adjusted for ph?


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: fee]
    #1275426 - 02/03/03 07:09 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Verm. or Coco coir are both neutral in PH. At least the coco coir I got was in the 6.8 - 7.2 range right out of the pot.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: fee]
    #1275436 - 02/03/03 07:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

uhmm... None of the non-nutriative layers do. So u can use verm/perl, coconut with out any adjustment. Peat moss and 50/50 has to be adjusted. I'm not sure if Jiffy mix is already done.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1277472 - 02/04/03 10:43 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

uhm, you use perlite for your casing layer? wouldn't that prove counter-productive?


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: Raadt]
    #1277490 - 02/04/03 10:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

a poster a while back stated that he uses straight perlite for casings with great success. he sounded like he knew shat he was talking about and said he never uses anything else.

perlite will saturate quickly and will allow water to pass by afterwards, but until saturation it doesn't give up its water easily. it retains water in its pores and that should be available for mycelium. i believed the perlite casing person, so i guess it works.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: Raadt]
    #1277594 - 02/04/03 11:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Perlite whisps water into the air creating a high Rh. Some strains, such as PR (I was told) like this. Others however, I have found out are not too found of it, such as TC


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: Bilge]
    #1278075 - 02/04/03 01:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

perlite dries out fast, when I have tried using it in casing layers, I was never able to get colonization of the casing layer, not to mention it's very messy and makes your mushrooms have white powder all over them. I got fruit out of it, but it was not a good casing layer, whatsoever. The fruits did not have a base to grow out of, it was like having a cake with perlite all over it, basically.

Oh yeah, and you can't see the mycellium (they are both white).


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: Raadt]
    #1278204 - 02/04/03 02:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ive had really good success with peat moss adjusted to the right ph with lime. I would recomend it. Just make sure you pasteurize it. Ive never had success with un-pasteurized peat.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: arcadiangod]
    #1278275 - 02/04/03 02:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Ive had really good success with peat moss adjusted to the right ph with lime. I would recomend it. Just make sure you pasteurize it. Ive never had success with un-pasteurized peat.




how did u go abouts pasteurizing yer peat moss?


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: arcadiangod]
    #1278276 - 02/04/03 02:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Ive had really good success with peat moss adjusted to the right ph with lime. I would recomend it. Just make sure you pasteurize it. Ive never had success with un-pasteurized peat.




how did u go abouts pasteurizing yer peat moss?


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: Joker902]
    #1278343 - 02/04/03 03:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I place the peat moss in a bag (pillow case), tie the top closed, place a weight on top of the bag, and pasteurize in a large pot of water between 160 and 180 degrees for about an hour. I say you should pasteurize just from my own experience. Stamets states that you dont even have to pasteurize, but i encountered all types of molds when I did not. Perhaps it was just the brand of peat moss that I use. anyways i have had great success with my grows since i started pasteurizing. goood luck


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: MDMA4all]
    #1280092 - 02/05/03 03:32 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I once learned from a very old wise man, that you can use straw pasturized at 160 with a ph of 8, and you case the white stuff in between that with a layer of clear plastic on top with some cuts in it for air exchange. 
He had a huge 300+species lab.  I was anxious to try it out, but being a newbie i completely screwed it up  :blush:
I would think this is the best casing because it gives the mushrooms even more food, is hella natural, and works as casing at the same time.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: mikejwill]
    #1280215 - 02/05/03 04:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Straw is a substrate, no a casing.


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Re: The Casing Layer [Re: mikejwill]
    #1280233 - 02/05/03 04:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

hella natural? as apposed to those partial natural things we use. anything that we use that is processed is usually for the better... dont wanna burn our babies. But yea straw is a substrate.


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