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Nanoid
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Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do?
#12750624 - 06/16/10 01:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've done some searching on this subject, and read a post from RR saying that 1 week consolidation is important with bulk as well as cakes. Link
So my question to all of you bulk growers, what do you do?
If you introduce it to fruiting conditions when 100% colonized without consolidation, how long till you start seeing pins on average? Does it sit around for a week doing nothing, or do pins show up within a few days? (like 2-3)
And for all those who let it consolidate for a week or so, how quickly do you start seeing pins on average? Is it usually within a day or so of fruiting conditions, or later?
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Nanoid]
#12750633 - 06/16/10 01:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, 3-5 days.
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Nanoid
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Bentley]
#12753079 - 06/16/10 03:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Results were 2-2 now it's 3-3 
Come on, there has to be some more bulk growers that should vote.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Nanoid]
#12753117 - 06/16/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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That post my RR is a good one. I think all we cultivators should abide by his words.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: M11]
#12753204 - 06/16/10 03:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Definitely didn't consolidate on my first mono and it turned out shitty... at least compared to what they look like when I let it consolidate for a week or so.
Post 420... hell yeah.
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Nanoid
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: conoshoto]
#12753265 - 06/16/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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conoshoto said: Definitely didn't consolidate on my first mono and it turned out shitty... at least compared to what they look like when I let it consolidate for a week or so.
Post 420... hell yeah.

So when you consolidate, what is your average pinning time?
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Nanoid]
#12753423 - 06/16/10 04:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I consolidate, I usually see pins in 7 days rather than 10-14.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Nanoid]
#12753440 - 06/16/10 04:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you don't consolidate, the 1st flush wont be as good as a consolidated one. IME
The second or 3rd flush will be better than the consolidated one.
Also increased risk of contaminants with an un-consolidated.
So if your concerned about time, by the time the one consolidated is being moved to fruit, the un-consolidated will be pinning.
That's my viewpoint on it.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Nanoid]
#12753466 - 06/16/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I usually see pins day of birth or day after... doesn't take long at all.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: conoshoto]
#12753734 - 06/16/10 05:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You won't have an impressive 1st flush canopy without some consolidation, I don't think.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: teknix]
#12753754 - 06/16/10 05:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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With a proper casing it is an even more impressive first flush when you consolidate as opposed to not.
Pretty impressive for no casing. Consolidation time was around a week, maybe a few days more 

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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: Nanoid]
#18430631 - 06/17/13 02:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been trying to research an answer to this but I'm a little confused.
After bulk reaches 100% colonization, there should be a min consolidation period of one week.
During the consolidation period, if you start to see a bunch of pins pop up, should you still keep it in the consolidation phase or introduce fruiting conditions at that point?
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: cave]
#18430653 - 06/17/13 02:37 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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fruit it if pins pop up, they have everytime i've tried to consolidate my bulk anyway
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: cronicr]
#18430795 - 06/17/13 04:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: fruit it if pins pop up, they have everytime i've tried to consolidate my bulk anyway
Yup, i forgot about a few tubs and they had pins starting to grow.
anyway i used to consolidate my bulk for a week before i stopped growing so it was only a couple of tubs. I got some impressive first flushes on those few tubs.
But after coming back and everyone saying fruit at 100% its not needed i tried it.
My first manure tub to complete colinisation after a couple of days was covered in knots. so it was put into fruiting.
ive now just been puytting them into fruiting a few days after full colinisation so not really any consolidation period and they fruit pretty quickly.
first flush is still decent, i honestly dont see much difference really.
I think the generall consensus is that with bulk substrates you dont really need it and that its only for nuitrient dense substrates like pf cakes.
My mini monos are putting out between 100-200g first flush from 1 400ml grain jar spawned to 2 bulk jars. first flushes from tubs came out at, 110g, 120g, 190g for 3 different tubs.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: veda_sticks]
#18434451 - 06/17/13 10:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah, I see. So I guess it sounds like an experimentation type thing, find what works for you deal? I've read people argue strongly both for and against.
I'll just have to do two tubs next time I guess, side by side, and see what works better.
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: cave]
#18434501 - 06/17/13 10:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some cultures benefit from a longer consolidation period than others. They range from a few days to a week for cubes, and up to three months for shiitake. RR
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Re: Consolidating bulk after 100% colonization. What do you do? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18434709 - 06/17/13 11:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Some cultures benefit from a longer consolidation period than others. They range from a few days to a week for cubes, and up to three months for shiitake. RR
Ah, I see. I've seen your comments around the forums definitely in strong support of longer consolidation periods. I've had mixed success with my tubs without consolidating much, so I am definitely going to consolidate my next tub.
RR if I can get your opinion on this, while consolidating, you had 15-20 small pins visible, would you continue to let it consolidate or introduce fruiting conditions?
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