|
dashel
Stranger


Registered: 05/13/10
Posts: 451
Last seen: 13 years, 6 months
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: Sprezzatura]
#12644705 - 05/28/10 11:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Sprezzatura said: Also, if this guy was on steroids, that was probably the culprit. Prolonged use of anabolic steroids can cause mania, schizophrenia, aggression, break-down etc.
Steroids would be my guess.
|
sun_spots
Good boob day



Registered: 02/27/10
Posts: 14,306
Loc: Nirvana
Last seen: 7 years, 6 days
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: dashel]
#12644732 - 05/28/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Dystopia said: Violent history. Interest in violence. Religious issues. Possibly steroids. Mentally unstable. Psychedelics.
Yeah, I could see it happening.
This guy obviously had many problems. I'm sure it wasn't JUST the shrooms that caused the idiot to do what he did, but... Psychedelics have a way of bringing out a person's true colors, and when those colors are ugly as hell, this kind of shit happens.
-------------------- ShiVersblood said: shut ur fucking mouth. before a penis is are be enters LordSenate said: Cheese poop... Who gives a fuck gotta eat lots of cheese.
|
Sprezzatura
Virtuoso


Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 2,637
Loc: On the Atlantic Ocean
Last seen: 11 years, 5 months
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: sun_spots]
#12645110 - 05/28/10 12:35 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I have to defend psilocybin. This case is going to cause a misdirected & tremendous backlash against all the efforts that have been invested into decriminalizing & legalizing psychedelic mushrooms, as well as all the research that has been conducted to support psilocybin as potential safe anti-depressants and a therapeutic instrument.
The story is bullshit, and to give credence to the 'mushroom tea' idea is completely unjustified. This guy, according to testimony, was involved heavily over the years in other drugs, including meth and steroids and was blood-thirsty & violent.
The courts and the media are going to paint this voodoo-pharmacology picture that this guy was completely normal, decided to drink mushroom tea, and then completely lost his mind. I am willing to assert, that with my research and understanding of psychedelic mushrooms & the serotonin-replicating affects of psilocybin, that mushroom tea had little or nothing to do with it. I would argue the small amount of mushroom tea he consumed, if any, at best, was like a placebo and he acted out, from preexisting delusional tendencies, to resemblance of sensationalized LSD stories and the general misconception of psychoactive psychedelics.
I remain completely skeptical of psilocybin's affect on this person's horrendous actions and I would call for a complete medical, psychological and scientific investigation before labeling this as 'The Mushroom Tea Murder'.
The media WANTS to sell this sort of LSD induced 'Charlie Manson-esque' idea (even though psilocybin is 1000 times less potent than Lysergic Acid Diethylamide), when the reality of it, it seems, is that he had major issues before consuming mushroom tea.
It would be like me getting drunk, drinking Drano, doing PCP, all on top of a preexisting mental disorder, and then after I killed someone, I'd say "Well, I drank a cup of coffee, so it's the caffeine that's to blame".
Total bullshit, I want real evidence that mushrooms made this person do this, otherwise it's wild speculation, unbound and completely unprofessional bullshit.
-------------------- Spectaculorum procedere debet
|
metalmorph
Pat Badass



Registered: 07/26/08
Posts: 1,592
Loc: So. Maryland
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: Adden]
#12645133 - 05/28/10 12:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Dystopia said: Violent history. Interest in violence. Religious issues. Possibly steroids. Mentally unstable. Psychedelics.
Yeah, I could see it happening.
|
maerigan


Registered: 01/16/10
Posts: 1,709
Loc:
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: metalmorph]
#12645378 - 05/28/10 01:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
What appeared to be wild mushrooms were in the kitchen, the deputy reported. The deputy also discovered a marijuana garden in the house when he went to search for additional victims, the statement reads.
from this article here- http://www.times-standard.com/ci_15123814?source=most_viewed
soooo... now, this guy and his violence is connected with wild mushrooms AND pot. way to go dumb ass.

I really wish they would drug test him add all of the other drugs he had in his system to the list as well. Don't fucking leave it at shrooms and weed. jeezus h christ!
--------------------
|
ImaginingEmotions
SkyjumpingDude


Registered: 11/09/09
Posts: 1,489
Last seen: 6 years, 23 days
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: maerigan]
#12645571 - 05/28/10 01:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Besides the fact that this is definitely bad news for the psychedelic world, that must have been crazy.
I couldn't even imagine what it would be like to cut a heart out of your friend while tripping. I'm positive he is regretting it now, but during the moment, that must have been one insane experience.
--------------------
|
Hendostan



Registered: 07/18/04
Posts: 4,444
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: Sprezzatura]
#12645607 - 05/28/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Sprezzatura said: From the evidence and testimonies I've read, I would go as far as saying that this guy was not even tripping on mushrooms at all.
For anyone who has ever made 'Mushroom Tea', it's not the simplest process of extracting the psilocybin to the point of high potency.
To make a mushroom tea that would make you trip even close to as hard as this guy claims he was, would require either
A.) A chemistry lab, FRESH Mushrooms, Methanol and a complex understanding of pure extraction processes. Judging by the idiotic commentary of this person, it sounds highly unlikely he could execute complicated tasks, or simple ones at that.
B.) A wealth of street valued mushrooms. In simple extractions, heat/water based extractions or low proof alcohol extractions, you're going to need a lot of mushrooms and a large stomach, because you would have to drink a lot of mushroom tea to trip that hard. I highly doubt these people paid nearly $1,000 for the necessary amount of mushrooms to brew the appropriate amount of tea that would be require to trip this hard.
dude, psilocybin is water soluble... not hard at all to make mushroom tea. its my preferred method, and i've had many intense experiences with a common dose of dry mushrooms (3-4g)
i also would like to defend psilocybin as the main culprit, and i'm sure his many other drug/mental issues are more to blame, but its entirely possible to trip quite hard with a simple tea recipe. plus, a small dose to a very disturbed individual could really cause some problems... not what any of us want to hear, but its true.
|
tyrannicalrex
Strange R



Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 38,331
Loc: subtropics
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: Hendostan]
#12645656 - 05/28/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
It seems as though they are trying to demonize the mushrooms and the cannabis due to them being studied more these days. It may be an attack on these two substances in particular because the ones in charge(DEA,etc...) do not want mushrooms/cannabis to be thought of as relatively safe or have any use at all. It could be a sneaky way to try and keep cannabis illegal by mentioning it. It is fear mongering.
|
Hendostan



Registered: 07/18/04
Posts: 4,444
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#12645684 - 05/28/10 02:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
definitely
|
ServantOfBaphomet
StarKitten's Boyfriend



Registered: 10/14/09
Posts: 2,986
Loc: αßπΣσµτΦΘΩδ∞
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: Hendostan]
#12666496 - 06/01/10 12:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
You know what this sounds like to me, folks? Like they drank Anamita Muscaria tea. I've had muscaria tea before, and it was fuckin nuts. Only because I drank too much, though. I could see a pre-schizo ripping someone's heart out on muscaria tea, quite easily actually.
Like my fellow shroomerites, I believe a full scientific investigation should be completed. I'd bet that there's a greater than 50 percent chance that no psilo's would be found. Just muscarinic acid, or whatever is in Anamitas. They prolly got them off the internet at a "shaman" wanna be site. You know how that shit goes.
Edit: The "Devil" was in his friend, yadda yadda yadda...? Classic muscaria thoughts.
-------------------- Do what thou Wilt shall be the Whole of the Law Love is the Law. Love under Will
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!! The Sovereign Peanut has Spoken!!
Edited by ServantOfBaphomet (06/01/10 12:48 PM)
|
mellowparty
legitimate researcher


Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 18,467
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
|
|
ricyjo



Registered: 07/22/02
Posts: 1,516
Loc: -53.121600, 73.763943
Last seen: 8 days, 18 hours
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: RandomHero]
#12668267 - 06/01/10 06:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
JUST SO YOU KNOW....
ya can't make your bad trip go away by tearing someone's heart out folks..
http://www.pardonmyhindi.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kali_ma_heart.jpg
|
Moosey333
Stranger



Registered: 04/17/10
Posts: 17
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
|
Re: Drank Shroom Tea and gouged out a heart [Re: ricyjo]
#12753009 - 06/16/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
One time I had taken 8g of shrooms and during the peak I punched my friend in the face because I wanted to see the results of what had happened. I really kinda just felt like a curious child and I was confused when he got mad. I dont think I would have the motor control to take someones heart out though. When I threw the punch I fell straight to the ground.
Definitely just a really violent stupid person.
|
|