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Datura?
    #12738711 - 06/13/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

basically what the title says...who has done it? and where did you obtain it from?

I wanna hear about your experiences as well....


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Re: Datura? [Re: justaguy]
    #12738769 - 06/13/10 09:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

From what I have read it is horrible.


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Re: Datura? [Re: justaguy]
    #12738783 - 06/13/10 09:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I have never done it. It is a deleriant.

my vocalist did it, from what he tells me it seems very unpleasent cause it comes and goes in waves, ok for a psych but with a deleriant you kinda don't wanna keep being reminded that you have no idea what is going on.

Your brain normally stops your memories and imagination from infringing on perceptual reality, datura seems to make that stop happening. he kept seeing people from his past, people who had moved on and he believed they were there like you do in a dream, then bang they'd be gone. He reckons it was so real that it still scares him today knowing that he can never really beleive in reality completely as the brain is capable of creating its own reality completely perfect and sperate, he can never know if he has woken up, not for sure.

we can't tell if his sleep talking and sometimes walking emerged before or after as he was quite young when he dose'd himself

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Re: Datura? [Re: husk]
    #12738857 - 06/13/10 09:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

that seems ridiculous. fuck I hear you can die so easily that's so sketchy


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Re: Datura? [Re: justaguy]
    #12739201 - 06/13/10 11:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i'm pretty interested in datura as well, but i'm smart enough to stay away. maybe one day, if you planned it right..maybe..


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Re: Datura? [Re: justaguy]
    #12739239 - 06/13/10 11:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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that seems ridiculous. fuck I hear you can die so easily that's so sketchy




I've heard that too. No one I know takes Datura, and its too big of a risk to take on my part.


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Re: Datura? [Re: GutteralRetch]
    #12739305 - 06/13/10 11:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You'll fucking DIE MAN

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Re: Datura? [Re: Buckthorn]
    #12739346 - 06/13/10 11:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I have not done datura. However I did once take around 60 allergy pills. Because they act on the same receptor, I can tell you that I am very glad I threw up most of my stomach contents. I took the pills and laid down in my bed and waited to die in a suicide attempt. Very tragic in retrospect.

I woke up to find a pile of puke on my floor which I did not remember making. I walked dazed and sat down in my computer chair only to hear a hissing sound a few minutes later. I ignored it but I kept hearing it. I looked down to see a snake moving around my feet. I was terrified until I realized it was an illusion. From that point forward the hallucinations dissipated. But I can tell you I thought the sound, sight, and feeling of something on me was all totally real.

Don't do it. If you do it, get a very qualified sitter. Datura is not a pleasure drug. Neither are allergy pills.

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Re: Datura? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #12740705 - 06/14/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

terrible drug. my buddy ended up in the hospital. not worth it imo

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Re: Datura? [Re: ethnofun]
    #12740748 - 06/14/10 10:08 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Its quite an experience Ill tell you that.
Its a wild plant that can be found outside.
I do not recommend just going and gobbling it down, but read more about it and decide for yourself if you would like to see another realm of happenings...


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Re: Datura? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #12740866 - 06/14/10 10:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It's legal and grows everywhere, so it's available for kids to gobble down in an atempt to get "high". They know absolutely nothing about it, the right dose,  effects, nothing. And ofcourse they will end up in a hospital or something. And I'm sure most of you who say it's terrible have never tried it but heard it from someone who heard it from someone and so on.
Datura is not a drug to have fun on. Far from it. It is an experience, often so terrible it evaluates the strenght of character. You must always remember, datura taps into your subconciousness, and shows you things you most fear and hate. So the plant doesn't make you feel terrible, you do. And as with any terrible experience, if you can overcome it and beat it, you emerge from it as a stronger person. Datura is not for evryone. You must really prepare for that experience, for the battle, and preferably have a good sitter educated and experienced with the effects of psychedelics/deliriants.

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Re: Datura? [Re: ethnofun]
    #12740915 - 06/14/10 10:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've done my fair share of datura.... strange shit, one minute you're sitting in your living room with 6-7 people, next thing you know you're the only one there so, what do you do?... you look under the couch/in your fridge for all those people who were there just a minutes ago.

then you forget what you were just doing, turn to your friend and ask what you were just looking for... realize what you thought was your friend is really just a cushion on the couch.

then you go.. oh ya, I'm fucked up.. that's right.. that explains all this madness... then you forget that your fucked up again and hallucinate some more.

it's nothing at all like a psychedelic... no mental clarity what so ever, pretty much constant state of confusion and dysphoria.. you snap in and out of a waking dream like state with full blown hallucinations that are completely 100% realistic, totally different then the fractals and visual distortions of LSD and similar molecules (and not as cool as it probably sounds)

you cannot speak coherently no matter how hard you try... nor can you act like a sober, sane human being.. period... so don't go into public, cause you will most likely get arrested or put in the mental hospital.

you also cannot comprehend almost anything that is said to you by real or hallucinated people... if you can, you will completely forget what was said in about 2 seconds or less... or you will think they said something totally different and come out with a garbled inappropriate remark....

:example: sober person says "that's a nice house" you hear "why is that cat climbing on the ceiling?" so you reply "I don't know why we gotta use the green car for swimming when the bat hit the window I was like shit... wtf was I just talking about??"

or... friend says "we should go to the store, I'm hungry" you reply "I agree, lets go" and proceed to walk to the store with said friend.... on the way you meet up with a few more friends and have a good laugh.. start walking again, turn around to say goodbye and realize no one is there, including the friend who wanted to go to the store... at this point you may snap back into reality and realize you're really fucked up and should probably get back indoors ASAP.. or, you don't snap out of it and walk all around the city trying to find them again, dodging semi-transparent cougars and watching 100 little kids crashing their bikes at the same time in the middle of the road at 3 AM on a weekday... only to realize those kids aren't crashing in the middle of the road because your standing in the middle of a field.

the body load is EXTREMELY uncomfortable... as is the SEVERE dry mouth (10000 times worse than pot)

even the smallest unexpected sound will damn near give you a heart attack

If you're looking for a fun, safe, euphoric, recreational trip... stay the fuck away from datura.

If you're looking for a deep, insightful, meaningful, spiritual trip... stay the fuck away from datura.

if you want to see what it's like to be completely insane, delusional, paranoid, dysphoric, confused and extremely jumpy with a really shitty body load... datura might be your thing.

there is also the shamanic side of the use of this plant... but for most people that dabble with it... it is far, far away from their mental capabilities/discipline to sustain that kind of control for more than a few seconds while under the influence.

Graveyards are an interesting place to spend a trip.


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Re: Datura? [Re: LuSiD9]
    #12740957 - 06/14/10 11:05 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl2:
That is all true.


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Re: Datura? [Re: Tangich]
    #12740958 - 06/14/10 11:05 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Datura is scary shit maan.
Seriously the trip reports alone make me want to steer clear of the name even.
If you or anyone decides Datura is a good idea, ensure you know exactly what you're getting yourself into, and get someone who knows deliriants specifically, and hopefully (if you did try it and have a sitter) someone who had some form of experience with Datura, since they'd know what was going on.

It's crazy stuff, and the amount of people who go to the hospital who tried it to get off is insane. I can't believe that many people do, but they have.
I was dumb enough to try the allergy pill thing, and also those motion sickness pills.
It made me pass the hell out and i'm happy that's all that happened because my friend had some crazy shit happen to him while he was on them. Refuses to touch a pill anymore.

Anyway-it's just really scary.


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Re: Datura? [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #12741023 - 06/14/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I have not done datura. However I did once take around 60 allergy pills.  Datura is not a pleasure drug. Neither are allergy pills.




That is a lot of allergy pills.... 15-25 should be enough for a hallucinogenic state.

I'm not 100% certain on this... so don't take this info too seriously without further resaerch, but I assume that Diphenhydramine/Diphenhydranate would be the 'safer' route for someone who would like to dabble in the Deleriant state of mind.

at the very least it's more predictable... as you know exactly how many milligrams you put into your body... with datura you can never really be sure how far it's going to take you, as the alkaloid content per plant varies so widely.

but yes, Datura and allergy/motion sickness pills cause very similar effects... most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the trips


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Re: Datura? [Re: Tangich]
    #12741070 - 06/14/10 11:37 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Tangich said:
Datura is not for evryone. You must really prepare for that experience, for the battle, and preferably have a good sitter.




indeed.... Getting REALLY good and I mean REALLY good at lucid dreaming, maintaining lucidity after becoming lucid in a dream and recognizing when you're in a dream.

it is very much like a waking dream, and having knowledge/experience of controlling and recognizing the dream state will help immensely in your journeys and will make the difference between a useless, disordered confusing trip and a more useful, positive and possibly even spiritual trip.


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Re: Datura? [Re: justaguy]
    #12741685 - 06/14/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't recommend it.  It grows all over the place in the desert southwest (new mexico, west texas, arizona) you can go out and pick thousands of seed pods if you want.  What it is good for is for nausea, say, 5~10 seeds when you trip on mescaline will kill the nausea.


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Re: Datura? [Re: LuSiD9]
    #12743119 - 06/14/10 06:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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LuSiD9 said:
I've done my fair share of datura.... strange shit, one minute you're sitting in your living room with 6-7 people, next thing you know you're the only one there so, what do you do?... you look under the couch/in your fridge for all those people who were there just a minutes ago.

then you forget what you were just doing, turn to your friend and ask what you were just looking for... realize what you thought was your friend is really just a cushion on the couch.

then you go.. oh ya, I'm fucked up.. that's right.. that explains all this madness... then you forget that your fucked up again and hallucinate some more.

it's nothing at all like a psychedelic... no mental clarity what so ever, pretty much constant state of confusion and dysphoria.. you snap in and out of a waking dream like state with full blown hallucinations that are completely 100% realistic, totally different then the fractals and visual distortions of LSD and similar molecules (and not as cool as it probably sounds)

you cannot speak coherently no matter how hard you try... nor can you act like a sober, sane human being.. period... so don't go into public, cause you will most likely get arrested or put in the mental hospital.

you also cannot comprehend almost anything that is said to you by real or hallucinated people... if you can, you will completely forget what was said in about 2 seconds or less... or you will think they said something totally different and come out with a garbled inappropriate remark....

:example: sober person says "that's a nice house" you hear "why is that cat climbing on the ceiling?" so you reply "I don't know why we gotta use the green car for swimming when the bat hit the window I was like shit... wtf was I just talking about??"

or... friend says "we should go to the store, I'm hungry" you reply "I agree, lets go" and proceed to walk to the store with said friend.... on the way you meet up with a few more friends and have a good laugh.. start walking again, turn around to say goodbye and realize no one is there, including the friend who wanted to go to the store... at this point you may snap back into reality and realize you're really fucked up and should probably get back indoors ASAP.. or, you don't snap out of it and walk all around the city trying to find them again, dodging semi-transparent cougars and watching 100 little kids crashing their bikes at the same time in the middle of the road at 3 AM on a weekday... only to realize those kids aren't crashing in the middle of the road because your standing in the middle of a field.

the body load is EXTREMELY uncomfortable... as is the SEVERE dry mouth (10000 times worse than pot)

even the smallest unexpected sound will damn near give you a heart attack

If you're looking for a fun, safe, euphoric, recreational trip... stay the fuck away from datura.

If you're looking for a deep, insightful, meaningful, spiritual trip... stay the fuck away from datura.

if you want to see what it's like to be completely insane, delusional, paranoid, dysphoric, confused and extremely jumpy with a really shitty body load... datura might be your thing.

there is also the shamanic side of the use of this plant... but for most people that dabble with it... it is far, far away from their mental capabilities/discipline to sustain that kind of control for more than a few seconds while under the influence.

Graveyards are an interesting place to spend a trip.




sounds allot like my mates trip. he said by the end of it, he was so scared he'd just follow anybody, his mother took him to hospital, as it started wearing off he remembered the doctor asking him what he had, and he told the doc "datura" doc is like "whats that" so he ends up saying "its a plant, its got atropine in it" and the doc is like whats that and he's like "you use it to dialate pupils you should know your a doc"

i saw a video on youtube but it seems to be gone now, it was about a columbia or somewhere, apparantly gangs reduce it into a fine powder which they use to drug people (in the video it said they can just blow it in your face) and then they rape or get the person to take heaps of money out of an atm.

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Re: Datura? [Re: husk]
    #12743195 - 06/14/10 06:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Never done datura, but have done dramamine a few times. As previously said, its the same kind of trip but can be easier controlled. I never got to the point where I was hallucinating people. But one time I did mix dramamine and DXM, in a plan to trip with a friend...only it was an internet friend in my Starcraft/Brood War clan wayyy back in the day like 6 or 7 years ago. I convinced him to try DXM because I thought it was sooo cooool at the time.

So we were coming up, chatting with our clanmates and whatnot, then I was like 'dude, I need to lay down for a min, brb'. I take a hit of pot and lay down on my bed...then I started tripping that I was still at the PC talking. This went on for over an hour. Suddenly I snap to, and was like WTF just happened. Go back to the PC for real and everyone is like 'wtf happened to you?'. Then my brain got confused and I thought I was still in the conversation I was having in my head just minutes before. So I was bringing up the convo points I could remember and obviously they had no clue what I was talking about. I got freaked out and logged off without saying anything and laid back down. Who knows what I tripped about then because I don't remember a thing.

Couple hours later I was a little more lucid and was having crazy hallucinations of that jelly-predator looking crap people see on dramamine (don't know if that comes with datura too or not). I was seeing jelly birds flying around my room, swooping at me from time to time. Jelly bugs crawling on my skin. Kept hearing people calling to me from downstairs (my room is 2nd floor bungalo style), would go check and realize no one is home.

The most fun part was a little later I went around to every TV in the house and would draw pictures in the dust on the screen and that shit would come to life and dance around for me.

Don't remember much else. All in all, that trip was kind of interesting, bordering on enjoyable...but any of the other few times I did dramamine I just wanted it to end. Wouldn't touch that crap with a 10 foot pole these days, being that the poisoning being done to your body is the only thing causing the visions. Health risks are too great and active/OD ratio too low to be messing with.

I guess if you wanted to try the experience you better damn well have a sitter to keep you in your otherwise empty house.


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Re: Datura? [Re: LuSiD9]
    #12743228 - 06/14/10 06:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

LuSiD9 said:
I've done my fair share of datura.... strange shit, one minute you're sitting in your living room with 6-7 people, next thing you know you're the only one there so, what do you do?... you look under the couch/in your fridge for all those people who were there just a minutes ago.

then you forget what you were just doing, turn to your friend and ask what you were just looking for... realize what you thought was your friend is really just a cushion on the couch.

then you go.. oh ya, I'm fucked up.. that's right.. that explains all this madness... then you forget that your fucked up again and hallucinate some more.

it's nothing at all like a psychedelic... no mental clarity what so ever, pretty much constant state of confusion and dysphoria.. you snap in and out of a waking dream like state with full blown hallucinations that are completely 100% realistic, totally different then the fractals and visual distortions of LSD and similar molecules (and not as cool as it probably sounds)

you cannot speak coherently no matter how hard you try... nor can you act like a sober, sane human being.. period... so don't go into public, cause you will most likely get arrested or put in the mental hospital.

you also cannot comprehend almost anything that is said to you by real or hallucinated people... if you can, you will completely forget what was said in about 2 seconds or less... or you will think they said something totally different and come out with a garbled inappropriate remark....

:example: sober person says "that's a nice house" you hear "why is that cat climbing on the ceiling?" so you reply "I don't know why we gotta use the green car for swimming when the bat hit the window I was like shit... wtf was I just talking about??"

or... friend says "we should go to the store, I'm hungry" you reply "I agree, lets go" and proceed to walk to the store with said friend.... on the way you meet up with a few more friends and have a good laugh.. start walking again, turn around to say goodbye and realize no one is there, including the friend who wanted to go to the store... at this point you may snap back into reality and realize you're really fucked up and should probably get back indoors ASAP.. or, you don't snap out of it and walk all around the city trying to find them again, dodging semi-transparent cougars and watching 100 little kids crashing their bikes at the same time in the middle of the road at 3 AM on a weekday... only to realize those kids aren't crashing in the middle of the road because your standing in the middle of a field.

the body load is EXTREMELY uncomfortable... as is the SEVERE dry mouth (10000 times worse than pot)

even the smallest unexpected sound will damn near give you a heart attack

If you're looking for a fun, safe, euphoric, recreational trip... stay the fuck away from datura.

If you're looking for a deep, insightful, meaningful, spiritual trip... stay the fuck away from datura.

if you want to see what it's like to be completely insane, delusional, paranoid, dysphoric, confused and extremely jumpy with a really shitty body load... datura might be your thing.

there is also the shamanic side of the use of this plant... but for most people that dabble with it... it is far, far away from their mental capabilities/discipline to sustain that kind of control for more than a few seconds while under the influence.

Graveyards are an interesting place to spend a trip.



holy. shit.


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