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Waking Life Future Dude
    #1273277 - 02/03/03 08:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

This is my favorite part of the movie (his vision seems very plausible to me):

If you're looking at the highlights of human development, you have to look at the evolution of the organism, and then add the development of the interaction with its environment. Evolution of the organism will begin with the evolution of life, proceeding through the hominid, coming to the evolution of mankind: neanderthal, cro-magnon man. Now, interestingly, what you're looking at here are three strains: biological, anthropological (development of cities, cultures), and cultural (which is human expression). Now, what you've seen here is the evolution of populations, not so much the evolution of individuals. And in addition, if you look at the time-scale that's involved here: two billion years for life, six million years for the hominid, a hundred-thousand years for mankind as we know it, you're beginning to see the telescoping nature of the evolutionary paradigm. And then, when you get to agriculture, when you get to the scientific revolution and the industrial revolution, you're looking at ten thousand years, four hundred years, a hundred and fifty years. You're seeing a further telescoping of this evolutionary time. What that means is that as we go through the new evolution, it's going to telescope to the point that we should see it manifest itself within our lifetimes, within a generation. The new evolution stems from information, and it stems from two types of information: digital and analog. The digital is artificial intelligence; The analog results from molecular biology, the cloning of the organism, and you knit the two together with neurobiology. Before, under the old evolutionary paradigm, one would die and the other would grow and dominate. But, under the new paradigm, they would exist as a mutually supportive, non-competitive grouping independent from the external. Now what is interesting here is that evolution now becomes an individually-centered process eminating from the needs and desires of the individual, and not an external process, a passive process, where the individual is just at the whim of the collective.

So, you produce a neo-human with a new individuality, a new consciousness. But, that's only the beginning of the evolutionary cycle because as the next cycle proceeds, the input is now this new intelligence. As intelligence pods on intelligence, as abilty pods on ability, the speed changes. Until what? Until you reach a crescendo. In a way, it could be imagined as an almost instantaneous fulfillment of human, human and neo-human, potential. It could be something totally different. It could be the amplification of the individual...the multiplication of individual existences, parallel existences, now with the individual no longer restricted by time and space. And the manifestations of this neo-human type evolution could be dramatically counter-intuitive; That's the interesting part. The old evolution is cold, it's sterile, it's efficient. And, it's manifestations are those social adaptations. We're talking about parasitism, dominance, morality, war, predation. These will be subject to de-emphasis. These will be subject to de-evolution. The new evolutionary paradigm will give us the human traits of truth, of loyalty, of justice, of freedom. These will be the manifestations of the new evolution, and that is what we would hope to see from this, that would be nice.

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Re: Waking Life Future Dude [Re: Scratcher]
    #1273890 - 02/03/03 11:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i agree, id post more, but couldn't structure it!

And the gameshow host rings the buzzer (brrnnntt) oh and now you get a face full of face!

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Re: Waking Life Future Dude [Re: Scratcher]
    #1274457 - 02/03/03 02:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

This monologue seems to come up every few months. Im not going to go into details, becuase its been analyzed plenty of times on these forums (do a search), but it is flawed in numerous ways, and makes far too many assumptions, but its a movie about dreams, so what do you expect?

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Re: Waking Life Future Dude [Re: Scratcher]
    #1275240 - 02/03/03 06:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

This is my favorite part as well!  :grin:

Of course it's just theroy in itself, but very interesting, and is mostly true (the parts about the time cycles of the past).

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?

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Re: Waking Life Future Dude [Re: Remy]
    #1275500 - 02/03/03 07:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)


it is flawed in numerous ways

If you could elaborate, that'd be great. I read every post regarding Waking Life from this forum in the past year and found no specific critique on the part above regarding evolution. I don't know about everyone else but I took every part of that movie as people's personal views and opinions, not as truth. The topics discussed aren't exact sciences, surely there's a little room for interpretation. Mr. Mush went on about the many faults with this movie but in doing so I think he has proven that he completely missed the point. I think Linklater just wanted to give the mainstream a little taste of philosophy so the average Joe might think a little deeper about the world around them. In this sense the movie is a masterpiece, IMO. To those who dis this film, remember it was not made for philosophy majors, it was made for average shmucks like me and I know for a fact that it has stirred the imagination of a great many people.

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