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Mr. Mushrooms said:
We all can think of hate magnets at the Shroomery.
Yes, we all have this ability, but only you seem to be obsessing over them.
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 OrgoneConclusion
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I don't worry so much about the hate magnets (whatever that means), but the hate exhibitors such as those who wish a painful death on another.
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Icelander
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You'll find that in the political forum.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Mr. Mushrooms
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I don't worry so much about the hate magnets (whatever that means), but the hate exhibitors such as those who wish a painful death on another.
On Drama Queens & Hate Magnets:
When someone gets on the bad side of the community and continues to act out, bringing the wrath of our more vocal members upon themselves and generally becoming a detriment to the health and harmony of the boards, they will be processed in accordance with the On Banning guidelines above. Even if you feel that you are in the right, sometimes it is best to just let things go. It is expected that you will respect any such direction given to you by a staff member.
http://www.shroomery.org/6284/Administrative-Rules-Guidelines
Some people, who do not understand the principles of harmony within a community, such as the Shroomery, are banned for not fitting in. Many time those, who wish to stir up shit, are found on the outside looking in. Most of it is common sense; it's called the ability to get along.
Martyrs, the subject of this thread, are notorious for not being able to get along with others. This is, sometimes, reflected in their rates.
Conversely, a man who has only friends, but no enemies, might not be trustworthy. Balance in this, as with most things, is k3y.
The middle road may be the high ground.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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 Re: The Martyr Syndrome  [Re: Icelander]
#12725228 - 06/11/10 09:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
You'll find that in the political forum.
Hate is as common as love. Hate, in itself, is neither good nor evil. It is as proper to hate the wrong things as it is to love the right ones.
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MushroomTrip
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Icelander
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Check out my ratings. They are in perfect balance.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: The Martyr Syndrome [Re: Icelander]
#12725266 - 06/11/10 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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But once he was dead guys like Paul took over and took it in his own direction imo. Then there came the organized church with priests and all that involvement in govt. which supported it as a way to control people and make them obedient to the current culture and on and on and Jesus is turning over in his grave.
If he were in it. Yes, I agree. All organizations I have ever come across are evil piled on evil. Many times they do exactly the opposite of their supposed "cause."
Liberals champion free speech and seek to silence conservatives.
The Christian church preaches love and holds the Spanish Inquisition.
The NRA has fought against concealed carry permits.
The Shroomery, whose focus should be mushrooms, is all about money.
The list is endless.
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Re: The Martyr Syndrome [Re: Icelander]
#12725281 - 06/11/10 09:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Check out my ratings. They are in perfect balance.
Yes, you neither give nor receive. I've often thought about opting out but two things hold me back.
1. The rates I've given.
2. The compliments I received. Here, at the Shroomery, my "mission," as it were, is to save lives and help people eat mushrooms that aren't harmful. Along with my TI tag, the rates are further evidence of that should anyone need it. I am "trusted" to tell the truth as far as I know it. And, for the most part, I get along.
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Icelander
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Yeah, I create my own religion and don't allow members.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: The Martyr Syndrome [Re: Icelander]
#12725301 - 06/11/10 09:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sometimes that's the best way. You get to keep the Kool-Aid all to yourself.
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Freedom
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Getting inside the heads of people we don't know seems more like an exercise of fantasy than deduction or induction...
So the entire field of psychology is an exercise in fantasy. That's good to know for the mentally deranged.
You are equating your wild speculations about individuals with science?
Where are your error bars? What is your p value? Not only did you fail to implement the correct experimental controls, you failed to test your hypothesis altogether.
Or did you mean clinical psychology? There are many different kinds of clinical psychology, but all of them involve at least interviewing the patient, and the point is not to come up with an explanation for their behavior or feelings but to help the patient change.
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Re: The Martyr Syndrome [Re: Freedom]
#12725323 - 06/11/10 09:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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But then, how can one play the superiority card? 
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: The Martyr Syndrome [Re: Freedom]
#12725324 - 06/11/10 09:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Freedom said:
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
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Freedom said:
Getting inside the heads of people we don't know seems more like an exercise of fantasy than deduction or induction...
So the entire field of psychology is an exercise in fantasy. That's good to know for the mentally deranged.
You are equating your wild speculations about individuals with science?
Wild speculations? That's only your subjective opinion. Most of my opinions are based on facts. Please point to the ones that aren't.
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Freedom said:
Where are your error bars? What is your p value? Not only did you fail to implement the correct experimental controls, you failed to test your hypothesis altogether.
Horseshit. That's arguing for arguing sake. Feel free, not me.
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Icelander
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Now I'm scared.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Freedom
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
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Freedom said:
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
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Freedom said:
Getting inside the heads of people we don't know seems more like an exercise of fantasy than deduction or induction...
So the entire field of psychology is an exercise in fantasy. That's good to know for the mentally deranged.
You are equating your wild speculations about individuals with science?
Wild speculations? That's only your subjective opinion. Most of my opinions are based on facts. Please point to the ones that aren't.
This: "Many a martyr has thought they were on the path of enlightenment because they were persecuted."
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Freedom said:
Where are your error bars? What is your p value? Not only did you fail to implement the correct experimental controls, you failed to test your hypothesis altogether.
Horseshit. That's arguing for arguing sake. Feel free, not me.
haha I call batshit on your horseshit 
Really, I think the differences between your conclusion and conclusions published by psychologists are experimental design and statistical analysis.
This is my honest opinion 
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Many a martyr has thought they were on the path of enlightenment because they were persecuted.
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In psychology, a person who has a martyr complex, sometimes associated with the term victim complex, desires the feeling of being a martyr for his/her own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it feeds a psychological need.
In some cases, this results from the belief that the martyr has been singled out for persecution due to exceptional ability or integrity.
Integrity: 1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex
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There is much support for the idea that the culture of active martyrdom stems from the abuse of children at an early age.
Running head: A LITERATURE REVIEW ON THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MARTYRDOM by Jerry Smith
So, according to the literature, martyrs and hate magnets may come from abusive households. I would say that fits into their psychology perfectly. They are used to being abused.
What a sad state of affairs.
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Freedom
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I agree with:
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In psychology, a person who has a martyr complex, sometimes associated with the term victim complex, desires the feeling of being a martyr for his/her own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it feeds a psychological need.
In some cases, this results from the belief that the martyr has been singled out for persecution due to exceptional ability or integrity.
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So, according to the literature, martyrs and hate magnets may come from abusive households. I would say that fits into their psychology perfectly.
as possible explanations for some Martyrs
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Getting inside the heads of people we don't know
i.e. Socrates, Jehovah Witnesses, or other individuals and groups.
I really don't see how psychoanalysis of someone who died over 2000 years ago could be anything but wild speculation, no matter who the psychologist is or who the subject is.
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There is much support for the idea that the culture of active martyrdom stems from the abuse of children at an early age.
Is referring to Martyrs that kill themselves, as this is what the author defines as 'active martyrdom' as opposed to 'passive martyrdom' which is when someone else kills them.
The paper goes on to explore many other causes of active martyrdom, which is the basis for my opinion - we can imagine multiple possible explanations for martyrdom, but its fantasy to believe we know which explanation applies to Socrates or Jehovah Witnesses or members on this board.
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Re: The Martyr Syndrome [Re: Freedom]
#12727483 - 06/11/10 05:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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but to me its fantasy to believe we know which explanation applies to Socrates or Jehovah Witnesses or members on this board.*
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It's been enlightening to talk to you.
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