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this is my first post here. can you help me
    #1270998 - 02/02/03 12:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1271020 - 02/02/03 01:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i cased some mateas r.with horse dung sheep dung a little bit cow dung. with some verm and paet also some groundlime.i use this mix for substrade also.then i make it double and use another layer..also in incubabation chamber 1 part of the casing took more heat then other side .as a result half of the casing shows some mycellium on the valleys early.
then i use the other side of the casing layer to cover the valleys to have a nice pin set.and wait maybe for 1 and half day again in dark place..i took it out and cold shocked.and gave a little bit heavey misting.now it is going to be seen i will developed an overlay . i ask this because of that . when i mist it in day time .the mycellium developed less then night time and also i fan lots of times.



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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1271022 - 02/02/03 01:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

and under that yellow part ,a ball verm sits.


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1272450 - 02/03/03 01:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It looks like "stroma" or weak mycelium. The whole process you describe is a bit confusing, so perhaps you can answer some questions.
a- What kind of susbstrate did you use inside the jars, BRF+verm ?
b- Did you sterilize or pasteurize the dung mix ?
c- Which material did you use as top layer for your casings ?

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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: MAIA]
    #1273116 - 02/03/03 08:06 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

1) i used ryes
2)i sterialized the dung mix
3) i learn that i have to use a top layer later.
and i put i thin top layer on it. i didnt touch the stroma also.
is it too late ?


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1273761 - 02/03/03 10:52 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Let's ee if we can get things straight.
We refer as casing layer the material you use as top layer or bottom layer or both. This layer should be non nutritious, made of verm, coco coir, peat or a mix between any of them.
If you use both layers, it would look like a sandwich with the mycelium in the middle, both layers ensure humidity and control the intrusion of contams. The layers under rare exceptions should not be let colonized by mycelium, when it happens we call this overlay.
The normal process is:
1- Empty pan or tupperware.
2- Put 2cm of bottom layer (verm,peat, etc)- optional
3- Put mycelium
4- Put 1cm-2cm top layer

Cover the pan or tw, let it colonize for 4 to 5 days in a dark, warm place (80?F), then take it out, put it inside the terrarium, mist good and wait.
BTW, read the Teks on the faq section.

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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: MAIA]
    #1273986 - 02/03/03 11:57 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

sorry as a substrade i used
sheep dung -cow dung a little bit old horse dung and a litte bit new horse dung also with peat verm andgroundlime
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and now i put a thin layer on it.and didnt sratch the stroma .i also didnt understand is stroma is a kind of an overlay .it looks strong .and if i did nt scratch it ,it seems hard to breath for the underneath.
my questions are very simple and it is also unbelievable for me just to took an answer maybe 25 hours.i want to read but my mind stucked here.everyone knows what that is mean.
im not from your nation and sometimes english is alittle bit confusing for me.
i try .
so
1)i patch it .without scratch.
2)i use a tin layer 50 50 verm peat sterialized
3)and i have got some angry stromas from the sides
questions?
1)do i have to do maybe a light scracth and put 2 cm top layer or is it ok.
2)do i have to put it back into the incubator
3)what do i have to do the stromas at the sides..i plan to use them for mycellium syrinnge tek .is it possible?
very simple? thanks.


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1274187 - 02/03/03 12:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Whats up man. I say use #2 But make sure you add the lime so it wont be acidic. I would not scratch the casing. I would put a 2 inch casing layer on it and put it back in the incubation chamber. I put it back in there for 2 days. There is only a little mycelium poking through on the surface at this time. I then take it out after 3 days and put it in fruiting conditions (fan, mist, give light, and coldshock). Yea I would go ahead and attempt the mycelium syringe tek. Just make sure you completely understand the tek before you do it. Your typing has improved greatly.


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: resin]
    #1274224 - 02/03/03 01:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

also i have got questions about a new cold shock.why dont i cold shock between the flushes also .i will put a little more case on top .thanks .yes i used ground lime.just a reminding :.anno said if you crushed the verms there is no so much importand that use a lime or groundlime .something like that t if i understand it right.


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    #1274258 - 02/03/03 01:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I believe its because the casing already knows its fruiting and you do not need to tell it again by cold shocking it. You need the lime that says "to sweeten the soil" on the bag. It is hydrated lime. You crush vermaculite? The kind I get is a flakey substance.


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: resin]
    #1274293 - 02/03/03 01:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i cold shock this casing before and if i shock it again it will be the 3 time.resin so many questions i want to ask :i hope i dont bother you
1)if i make the temp up to fruiting temps does it mean every time it needs to know the fruiting timeis it clear sorry. in another way you put the case in fruiting chamber and then the temp goes for exemple 30 and stays there 3 or4 hour. is this mean that you have to cold shock again


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1274640 - 02/03/03 03:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fan, mist, give light




Aplly a new top layer and do what resin told you. I would skip another cold shocking though, i may look it's having another heart attack or something...  :grin:

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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: MAIA]
    #1279953 - 02/05/03 12:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i may look it's having another heart attack or something...
sorry i didn t understand what this is directly mean.
my question is very simple
if you strat a fruiting cycle and then in fruiting cycle ;if you turn back again 30 c
for example 3 hours
1)is this mean: i have to give some directions to the mycellium to start the fruiting cycle again (another 10 degre down tek)


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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: fugu]
    #1280179 - 02/05/03 04:28 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

P. cubensis doesn't really need to be cold shocked. Temperature drop is one among many factor that makes the mycelium go into pinning stage, others are air exchange increase, high Rh and light. In the case of species like Ps. Azurescens or Ps. Cyanescens, temperature drop is one important factor, for a specie like Cubensis and its substrains, a drop in temperature is not so important but it plays a role, so some people cold shock it to make sure they don't miss that parameter in any way. A drop in temperature of 5-7?C is enough.
You have to be more detailed about the other growing parameters, perhaps you're overlooking them.
Rh level and humidification method ?
Number/method of air exchanges ?
Terrarium temperature ?

Also, you can read the FAQ, there's alot of info about this.

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Re: this is my first post here. can you help me [Re: MAIA]
    #1280435 - 02/05/03 06:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

maia .i just want to know if the case will stay maybe 10 hours at 30 c
in pre pinning stage and your terrarium parameters are
rh%95
5* fanning
and temp you use is 24. in pre pinning stage.does it means that everything will going to start again.


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    #1280825 - 02/05/03 08:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Parameters are ok. Just have more patience this time.
Yes, do what you wrote and WAIT, it will pin.

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