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Offlinezandorf
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who's lying here?
    #1270422 - 02/02/03 08:58 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Trichocereus peruvianus (Peruvian Torch Cactus) is closely related to San Pedro Cactus, but is much less common. The Peruvian Torch Cactus is similar in appearance to San Pedro Cactus, but has longer spines and has a darker color, sometimes being blue. Trichocereus peruvianus grows much like San Pedro, but, amazingly, it seems to grow faster and be even more hardy.

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peruvians are fairly slow growing. im of the mind its taken you quite some time to grow them (especially if youve grown them from seed which is really a bitch in the first place) . peruvian torch cacti are somewhat stronger than the san pedro, BUT if your growing these cacti for consumption, i would recomend holding off on the peruvians and ordering or aquiring a san pedro cutting. if you do happen to get ahold of one, make sure its large enough to cut a section 4" to 6" from for planting. san pedro is a fast growing cacti, so if you plant some, youll ALWAYS have a supply. ill post specific growing info from cutting later on in this or another forum......



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Re: who's lying here? [Re: zandorf]
    #1270444 - 02/02/03 09:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Im pretty sure they both grow around the same rate....maybe peruvianus being a little faster than pedro.........


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Re: who's lying here? [Re: DazedSol]
    #1270453 - 02/02/03 09:07 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

so, lemme get this straight. peruvian torch is faster growing, has a better mescaline-non mescaline alkaloid ratio and has more mescaline over all than san pedro. why is it not more popularly grown/ingested?


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Re: who's lying here? [Re: zandorf]
    #1271473 - 02/02/03 04:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

According to a very reliable source, Shaman Australis ,
T. pachanoi has Total alkaloids 50mg/100g fresh
Mescaline 25mg/100g fresh

T. peruvianus has Total alkaloids 1-10mg/100g fresh
Mescaline (very variable)



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Re: who's lying here? [Re: zandorf]
    #1272559 - 02/03/03 03:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i grow both pachanoi and peruvianus. my pachanois (san pedro) grow at least 50% faster than peruvianus (peruvian torch). i have to cut all my pachanoi before i have to cut even one peruvianus.


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Re: who's lying here? [Re: zandorf]
    #1272743 - 02/03/03 05:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

my peruvians grow faster than my pachanois. so, growth speed seems extremely variable, same as mescaline content. btw, BBB are very good. grow some of each and let us know which is faster and more potent :laugh: 


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Re: who's lying here? [Re: DazedSol]
    #1273444 - 02/03/03 09:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

In the longrun:

Isnt the torch just a variation of the pedro, or vice versa? Dont even the most hardcore of taxonomist still argue over this genus and its sub specie? That would sort of explain all the variations....thats what i've always thought anywho.


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Re: who's lying here? [Re: DazedSol]
    #1366577 - 03/11/03 04:31 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)



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Re: who's lying here? [Re: DazedSol]
    #1368373 - 03/12/03 08:34 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

they are 2 different cacti.


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Re: who's lying here? [Re: misterblander]
    #1368378 - 03/12/03 08:35 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

that article from erowid is very dated. get trout's notes for the best info on sacred cacti


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