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 Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help 
#12704 - 04/16/00 12:56 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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pans/copes RULE!
you should definately case them- like 1-2cm of peat based casing will do. let them colonize this and then expose to indirect light... check: http://www.shroomery.org/ubbnoncgi/Forum2/HTML/009857.html go for it!
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12706 - 04/16/00 03:28 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12707 - 04/16/00 03:45 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you sure you know what your doing? you said you took a shroom from the wild and took some flesh from it and inoculated a jar wiht it. I know its all possible but just maikng sure you know wha tyour doing. A wild specimen transfered to grain has a high contam rate, good luck though. And you will want to case them but first spawn it to a manure compost of some sort.
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12708 - 04/16/00 04:01 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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mycelium, thanks for the warning. One jars has a suspect blue color in it. You may be right. different than bruising blue. The other is still fine. Can I case it with vermiculite? I may dump the suspect one in a paddock on some dung.
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12709 - 04/16/00 04:12 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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you don't know what you are doing. pan cyans will not fruit on rye grain alone. you need to use the rye grain to colonize straw or dung. you story sounds kind of far feteched. and pan cyans need a casing layer and vermiculite alone is not enough.[This message has been edited by sean123 (edited April 16, 2000).]
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12710 - 04/16/00 04:30 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, pan cyans are much more difficult than the forgiving cubensis. Provided you have a colonized rye jar, mix up some dung/straw/compost like said before... pf tek DOES NOT WORK with pan cyans
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12711 - 04/17/00 01:47 AM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks everyone for the assistance. Never said that I knew what I was doing exactly. The only reason I tried the copes is because I had some fresh and thought that a fresh sample would make mycelium take off and it did to my surprise! I have prints of both types in the fridge for later. Will definatly go with cubes for next try.One jar has definatly become infected. black fuzz near the edge of medium on one jar. the others are fine. Maybe the rest will be planted in a cow pie. If I can get some hay back to my house, Have any ideas on how to prepare the casing of straw/ vermiculite? Or is that a bad combo?
Thanks again
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12712 - 04/17/00 02:56 AM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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Best casing for Copelandias I have seen is
50/50+. That is equal portions of peatmoss/vermiculite + a little lime. The peat clods should be broken apart. The lime should be low magnesium, not dolomite.50/50 (no lime) works. Pure vermiculite works. Straw or anything else with much nutrients is a bad idea for a casing ingredient. Some strains of copelandia will fruit weakly on cased grain. There is a thread here where amanita had pics of fruiting on rye. I posted about a year ago with pics showing fruiting on cased whole brown rice. Some strains will not fruit on grain no matter what you do however. Manure is a far superior copelandia substrate. The best I've seen is horse manure, but cow or any other grass eater works good. Maybe even kangaroo turds ? If you get your blue meanies to fruit I would bet that there are several people around that would be interested in a spore swap. hint hint  DD
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12713 - 04/17/00 11:43 AM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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URL][This message has been edited by Psychonaut (edited January 08, 2001).]
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12714 - 04/17/00 01:55 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey,
are you sure that you have found the right type of mushroom. you should nt picking if you dont know for sure. Copes arent like cubes or ps. cyans which are pretty hard to mistake for something else. I have 4+ different types of pans growing in my front yard all which are poisonous, so be careful. But on the other hand i also had some ps. cyanescens pop up which i didnt plant and i also dont live anywhere near there natural habitat.
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12715 - 04/17/00 03:40 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have tried the species several times from the dung. they are blue meanies or cop cyans. An experienced friend introduced me to them. Yes there is a another type that pops up on the dung as well. It looks kind of like the copes but it does not blue. It has black spores that go messy after picked. I stay away from them. I never consider anything that does not show clear bluing when bruised. Thank you for the advice though. I have a digital camera now. Next find will be documented. Conclusion: Looks like copes+bruises blue+grows out of dung+warps the mind=meanines or copes.
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Anonymous
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Re: cop. cyan newbie needs help
#12716 - 04/17/00 03:44 PM (25 years, 2 months ago) |
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P.S. Mycelium, I live in a great place for these types (copes). It is a subtropical climate with rainforest and mountains near bye. It is spring at the moment and have found many copes and cubies. No ill effects.
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