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 greenspectral
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 harsh truth is... 
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when you don't have any money or material assets to speak of, when you don't possess anything which can be of immediate benefit to those around, suddenly anyone that knows you, anyone that doesn't know you but might run into you out of happenstance, loses all respect for you, in fact doesn't even really count you as a 'real' person. suddenly these people will find you obsolete, not worth their time. any 'friends' you might have or had, you will find quickly marginalize the time they'd like to spend with you, eventually choosing, subconsciously or not, that you simply aren't worth any of their time...seeing as how you don't have anything of immediate material worth to offer.
you may have myriad creative talents and all the love in your heart, you may be as selfless and forgiving as they come...but there won't be anyone willing to listen or care, simply because you don't have a piece of paper.
this love and passion you have for everyone and everything you may wish to share, you may wish to co-create in symbiosis and manifest mutual harmony, but no one will ever know and you won't ever be given the chance to...so long as you don't have that piece of paper.
that's the stark truth of 99.9% of this world. sad, but true.
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lol no one cares..whats ur point in posting this??
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: dusk]
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you must hang with shitty people. In my expirience the people I really care about aren't like that. The people who are, are people I don't really have any contact with anyways.
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you obviously have shitty friends.
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yea fuck the OP what a self-centered ahole
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: dusk]
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dusk said:
lol no one cares..whats ur point in posting this??
need i remind you this is the VERY FIRST post i've made pertaining to anything of an emotive nature, or any personal random muse.
unlike many people on here who post inconsequential random muses almost daily. thought i would join the club, that's all.
btw, a lot of those 'personal random muse' posts i'm referring to are much more inconsequential than what i've posted here.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: dusk]
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yea fuck the OP what a self-centered ahole
what's up dude? not cool.
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lol no one cares..whats ur point in posting this??
need i remind you this is the VERY FIRST post i've made pertaining to anything of an emotive nature, or any personal random muse.
unlike many people on here who post inconsequential random muses almost daily. thought i would join the club, that's all.
btw, a lot of those 'personal random muse' posts i'm referring to are much more inconsequential than what i've posted here.
arent YOU a smarty
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: dusk]
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yea fuck the OP what a self-centered ahole
He only has two shrooms, lolololol. Way to go Einstein!
In all seriousness though, that's what they want you to believe. THEY, yes THEM. Go find some people who don't care about that silly shit.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Devlish2]
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Devlish2 said:
Go find some people who don't care about that silly shit.
easy to say...
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Go find some people who don't care about that silly shit.
easy to say...
True but the best things in life don't come easy. You usually have to wade through a lot of shit first.
Keep your chin up man. Life ain't so black and white, you're simply having trouble deciphering the different shades of gray at the moment. 
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: dusk]
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lol no one cares..whats ur point in posting this??
you speak for everyone? projecting a bit methinks.
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I'm pretty sure he's just being silly and meant it as you shouldn't be thinking that way 
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yeh thats super negative i dont want to read that
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In my experience when someone in my circle of friends and family is down and in hard times the love comes from everywhere. We all let our love shine brighter than ever when someone has nothing and is in need. It's super rare to see what you're talking about happen so your 99.9% stat is far from true. I think it's just your experience and doesn't represent the majority.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Devlish2]
#12700470 - 06/06/10 10:49 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure he's just being silly and meant it as you shouldn't be thinking that way
no, that's what you're saying...dude was just being a straight up prick.
and i wouldn't think that way if it wasn't the truth. unfortunately, it is very much the truth aside from a VERY SMALL percentage of people.
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It's super rare to see what you're talking about happen
no, you don't live in a bubble at all.
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real friends enjoy your company it has nothing to do with material things. If no one enjoys your presence, you're right I guess.
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when you don't have any money or material assets to speak of, when you don't possess anything which can be of immediate benefit to those around, suddenly anyone that knows you, anyone that doesn't know you but might run into you out of happenstance, loses all respect for you, in fact doesn't even really count you as a 'real' person. suddenly these people will find you obsolete, not worth their time. any 'friends' you might have or had, you will find quickly marginalize the time they'd like to spend with you, eventually choosing, subconsciously or not, that you simply aren't worth any of their time...seeing as how you don't have anything of immediate material worth to offer.
you may have myriad creative talents and all the love in your heart, you may be as selfless and forgiving as they come...but there won't be anyone willing to listen or care, simply because you don't have a piece of paper.
this love and passion you have for everyone and everything you may wish to share, you may wish to co-create in symbiosis and manifest mutual harmony, but no one will ever know and you won't ever be given the chance to...so long as you don't have that piece of paper.
that's the stark truth of 99.9% of this world. sad, but true.
that was a very well thought out post.
money is the root of all evil.
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Visualize and manifest.
lip service. nothing more.
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It's super rare to see what you're talking about happen
no, you don't live in a bubble at all.
You come off as super negative. That's probably why people distance themselves from you.
The "bubble" I live in is full of unconditional love from my fam and it's like that because we consciously create it. It seems you live in a negative bubble and are repelling people away from yourself consciously or not.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: igwna]
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when you don't have any money or material assets to speak of, when you don't possess anything which can be of immediate benefit to those around, suddenly anyone that knows you, anyone that doesn't know you but might run into you out of happenstance, loses all respect for you, in fact doesn't even really count you as a 'real' person. suddenly these people will find you obsolete, not worth their time. any 'friends' you might have or had, you will find quickly marginalize the time they'd like to spend with you, eventually choosing, subconsciously or not, that you simply aren't worth any of their time...seeing as how you don't have anything of immediate material worth to offer.
you may have myriad creative talents and all the love in your heart, you may be as selfless and forgiving as they come...but there won't be anyone willing to listen or care, simply because you don't have a piece of paper.
this love and passion you have for everyone and everything you may wish to share, you may wish to co-create in symbiosis and manifest mutual harmony, but no one will ever know and you won't ever be given the chance to...so long as you don't have that piece of paper.
that's the stark truth of 99.9% of this world. sad, but true.
that was a very well thought out post.
money is the root of all evil.
ah ha! one person that can relate.
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It's super rare to see what you're talking about happen
no, you don't live in a bubble at all.
You come off as super negative. That's probably why people distance themselves from you.
The "bubble" I live in is full of unconditional love from my fam and it's like that because we consciously create it. It seems you live in a negative bubble and are repelling people away from yourself consciously or not.
one thread and you already think you've grasped someones entire personality?
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I wouldn't be friends with you  you sound far too emotional and clingy, for real.
I am 100% content with zero humans around me.
I have a good network of friends and relationships... but they're independant and don't require constant contact to stay alive.
Sometimes I don't see my close friends for 6 months... when they turn up, we have some beers, have a laugh and play some music
Just chill out.
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It's super rare to see what you're talking about happen
no, you don't live in a bubble at all.
You come off as super negative. That's probably why people distance themselves from you.
The "bubble" I live in is full of unconditional love from my fam and it's like that because we consciously create it. It seems you live in a negative bubble and are repelling people away from yourself consciously or not.
i'm sorry...have we met? didn't think so.
that super rare thing...tell that to millions of nameless homeless people with no family, which you've never given so much as a seconds thought too...
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: igwna]
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theMERRYiguana said:
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FractalDust said:
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greenspectral said:
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FractalDust said:
It's super rare to see what you're talking about happen
no, you don't live in a bubble at all.
You come off as super negative. That's probably why people distance themselves from you.
The "bubble" I live in is full of unconditional love from my fam and it's like that because we consciously create it. It seems you live in a negative bubble and are repelling people away from yourself consciously or not.
one thread and you already think you've grasped someones entire personality?
i know man...sheesh, comes off as like, super negative
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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I wouldn't be friends with you you sound far too emotional and clingy, for real.
I am 100% content with zero humans around me.
I have a good network of friends and relationships... but they're independant and don't require constant contact to stay alive.
Sometimes I don't see my close friends for 6 months... when they turn up, we have some beers, have a laugh and play some music
Just chill out.
see: merryiguana
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I don't get why your mental well-being is dependant on others?
Doesn't seem like a good way to live?
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see: merryiguana
Ummmm? You don't know me?
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greenspectral
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Sometimes I don't see my close friends for 6 months... when they turn up, we have some beers, have a laugh and play some music
and what enables all that??? let me guess, a piece of paper.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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My friends seem to not come around so much when I don't have weed. They do, just not every damn day. It's annoying really. Were good friends, but it seems they don't want to make the effort to come over unless there is weed here. If it's not here they go over to their other friends house who does.
I give up on people. My wife and kids and family is really where it's at.
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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama Live long and prosper. 
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
#12700576 - 06/06/10 11:05 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chubba said:
I don't get why your mental well-being is dependant on others?
Doesn't seem like a good way to live?
projection.
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and what enables all that??? let me guess, a piece of paper.
I don't get it? Explain.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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I have plenty of friends I would feel exactly the same towards if they were a homeless bum. Why would I stop contact with them if we were good friends?
If I could, I would probably try to help them out... not distance myself. I know I'm not the only person capable of empathy. 
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1. a person known well to another and regarded with liking, affection, and loyalty; an intimate"
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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and what enables all that??? let me guess, a piece of paper.
I don't get it? Explain.
don't worry about it...it's become clear you can't relate, for whatever reason.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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I don't get why your mental well-being is dependant on others?
Doesn't seem like a good way to live?
Pretty much. And just because I didn't carry on with your negativity doesn't mean I can't relate to the topic myself.
Of course money sucks, but hey, you gotta realize there's some things in life you cannot change (especially fake people) and strive to better yourself anyways. Fuck, I'm usually content if I simply have a creative output for myself. Screw the bullshit. Your way of thinking is not going to make you any happier in the long run.
Most people do not want to be around someone who is constantly negative. That is the real harsh truth.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Devlish2]
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Most people do not want to be around someone who is constantly negative.
wow. the whole negative card is really played out in general, not just this thread. all it really does is reinforce polarities, reinforce an 'us and them' way of thinking, and provides a justification (cop out) for people to further condemn, ostracize and objectify someone.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: golden1]
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lets see... if your so called friends are unrealized then they cant help but identify with the thought in the head saying "whats in it for me"? They truly believe that the thought that you are helping to create is really them. it does not make them bad... it just means that you should forgive them for they know not what they do. now at the same time you yourself may be unrealized and fall into the same category while thinking you have nothing to offer and just wanting others to see you for you... the egoistic you who needs a role to identify with to keep on existing... poor down on his luck guy or guy who's better than them because i need no material possessions. If you take a real look at the life situation you will see the truth.
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well, if you dont have that 'piece of paper' then theyre probably annoyed that youre being a freeloader and a drain on their resources. Now you sound like an ungrateful freeloader... 
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Tedwilto
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Devlish2 said:
Most people do not want to be around someone who is constantly negative.
wow. the whole negative card is really played out in general, not just this thread. all it really does is reinforce polarities, reinforce an 'us and them' way of thinking, and provides a justification (cop out) for people to further condemn, ostracize and objectify someone.
just quit being negative and we'll drop it. durr.
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well, if you dont have that 'piece of paper' then theyre probably annoyed that youre being a freeloader and a drain on their resources. Now you sound like an ungrateful freeloader...
Oh, that's what he meant.
Protip: Not all money in the world is made out of paper 
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Tedwilto]
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greenspectral said:
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Most people do not want to be around someone who is constantly negative.
wow. the whole negative card is really played out in general, not just this thread. all it really does is reinforce polarities, reinforce an 'us and them' way of thinking, and provides a justification (cop out) for people to further condemn, ostracize and objectify someone.
just quit being negative and we'll drop it. durr.
thanks for proving my point.
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eventually the system pounds you into submission, so you give up your idealism and play the game. if you refuse, the system eats you alive and shits you back out into a land fill of destitution.
then there are those who play the game and don't even know it. the game is all they ever knew. they don't even have to deal with the burden of questioning, much less concern themselves with the contents of the land fill.
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Tedwilto
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too many metaphors.
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Money = ChuckECheese tickets.
You play someone else's game and get however much paper they give you.
You take it to the counter and they say "you can have these prizes, but not these. Play more games if you want these."
Except if you don't get enough prizes, you die.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: laserpig]
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Money = ChuckECheese tickets.
You play someone else's game and get however much paper they give you.
You take it to the counter and they say "you can have these prizes, but not these. Play more games if you want these."
Except if you don't get enough prizes, you die.
In a twisted way, this brought a smile to my face.
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eventually the system pounds you into submission, so you give up your idealism and play the game. if you refuse, the system eats you alive and shits you back out into a land fill of destitution.
then there are those who play the game and don't even know it. the game is all they ever knew. they don't even have to deal with the burden of questioning, much less concern themselves with the contents of the land fill.
Sucks to be you I guess? 
Lighten up ffs.
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eventually the system pounds you into submission, so you give up your idealism and play the game. if you refuse, the system eats you alive and shits you back out into a land fill of destitution.
then there are those who play the game and don't even know it. the game is all they ever knew. they don't even have to deal with the burden of questioning, much less concern themselves with the contents of the land fill.
Sucks to be you I guess?
Lighten up ffs.
you can't relate, already established.
"Sucks to be you"...adds even more validity to what I'm saying.
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I think this conversation would be going a bit differently if we were French.
As I understand it, the French have a greater respect for malaise and despondency.
In English-speaking cultures, it's looked at as some kind of weakness or character flaw, but I really don't think that's entirely appropriate. When you look at it that way, you end up closing almost any discussion which takes on a negative tone.
Now, certainly one doesn't want to be negative all the time, but dejection is a real and very human response to adversity, especially adversity that is beyond one's control (case in point: the organization of our monetary system).
I'm not saying it's only English speaking cultures that do this, but it's definitely present here.
Personally, I actually ... kind of enjoy melancholy, even though that might sound contradictory.
Lament has a sweetness to it, as long as it's more than just bitching.
And even if I didn't enjoy it aesthetically, you cannot deny that it's an honest human response which merits expression in conversation.
Anyway, Greenspectral, I know where you're coming from.
It's a shame that this approach is so ill-received among our peers.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: laserpig]
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I think this conversation would be going a bit differently if we were French.
As I understand it, the French have a greater respect for malaise and despondency.
In English-speaking cultures, it's looked at as some kind of weakness or character flaw, but I really don't think that's entirely appropriate. When you look at it that way, you end up closing almost any discussion which takes on a negative tone.
Now, certainly one doesn't want to be negative all the time, but dejection is a real and very human response to adversity, especially adversity that is beyond one's control (case in point: the organization of our monetary system).
I'm not saying it's only English speaking cultures that do this, but it's definitely present here.
Personally, I actually ... kind of enjoy melancholy, even though that might sound contradictory.
Lament has a sweetness to it, as long as it's more than just bitching.
And even if I didn't enjoy it aesthetically, you cannot deny that it's an honest human response which merits expression in conversation.
Anyway, Greenspectral, I know where you're coming from.
It's a shame that this approach is so ill-received among our peers.
man laserpig, you just provided a great deal of perspective to this post...and you're totally correct about the french peoples.
what you just said, direly needed to be said, thank you.
and on that same tip, I would argue that all the accusations of "negativity" and the personal attacks, are themselves displays of negativity, while my position has been more of a "sweet lament", if you will. 
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and on that same tip, I would argue that all the accusations of "negativity" and the personal attacks, are themselves displays of negativity, while my position has been more of a "sweet lament", if you will.
Man, good point.
There's negativity, and then there's negativity.
Lament for a better world that never was is one thing.
There's a kernel of goodness in there, and a reminder of what we actually want in life.
Derision and just calling someone a whiner are something else.
That's pure negativity, with no redeeming upside.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: laserpig]
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Derision and just calling someone a whiner are something else.
That's pure negativity, with no redeeming upside.
very well put.
...anyways...i'm off to see the sandman.
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when you don't have any money or material assets to speak of, when you don't possess anything which can be of immediate benefit to those around, suddenly anyone that knows you, anyone that doesn't know you but might run into you out of happenstance, loses all respect for you, in fact doesn't even really count you as a 'real' person. suddenly these people will find you obsolete, not worth their time. any 'friends' you might have or had, you will find quickly marginalize the time they'd like to spend with you, eventually choosing, subconsciously or not, that you simply aren't worth any of their time...seeing as how you don't have anything of immediate material worth to offer.
you may have myriad creative talents and all the love in your heart, you may be as selfless and forgiving as they come...but there won't be anyone willing to listen or care, simply because you don't have a piece of paper.
this love and passion you have for everyone and everything you may wish to share, you may wish to co-create in symbiosis and manifest mutual harmony, but no one will ever know and you won't ever be given the chance to...so long as you don't have that piece of paper.
that's the stark truth of 99.9% of this world. sad, but true.
OMG dude thats obviously true but how is that even remotely sad?
I mean I know what your talking about but its not that hard to at least try right?
I know this is probably a really stupid ass example, but who would you have more respect for, a sloth who chills all day all happy as shit in its tree with all the food and sun it needs right in front of it, or a lion who has to hunt and kill for its food? Obviously the lion cuz its more resourceful and shit, so you would wanna hang around more with the lion cuz the lion would be more useful to have on ur side then a sloth
I think your talking more about aquantances/associates tho than friends
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: xtokex]
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guess lots of people can't relate to the truth then eh?
odd
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: golden1]
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I dont think youre being negative, youre just a lazy sack of shit whos using whatever 'talents' you have to try and avoid work and live off the backs off others.
I know people like you, "fuck the system; Life is a game; Im too enlightened to be caught up in the rat race" I had a friend like that and I was letting him live with me and he thought the same way and yeah I booted his ass out because he didnt want to get a job, PAY BILLS, and be a helpful roommate. Hes my friend and I 'love' him, but Im not going to go broke because of his sorry ass. Reading books, painting, and strumming on a guitar all day doesnt really help, yeah its great but it doesnt help. Youre forgetting that some people accept playing the game because they want to do something with their life and you can do alot more working in the system rather than bumming it on the outside.
Let me ask you this: Where do you live right now? What did YOU do to support YOURSELF?
The harsh truth is, people dont want to baby someones lazy ass
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frankly, FUCK YOU.
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So the question is, feed the trolls?
Or let a thread die?
Always a tough choice.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: laserpig]
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I think this conversation would be going a bit differently if we were French.
I AM french 
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So the question is, feed the trolls?
Or let a thread die?
Always a tough choice.
indeed. i think on this one, suffice it to say, its done. stick a fork in it, and good riddance.
so yeah, no one post anything else and we'll just let this clusterfuck of a thread fade into ceaselessness.
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frankly, FUCK YOU.
Im not trolling, Im telling it how it is and from that response, it sounds like I hit the nail on the head!
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frankly, FUCK YOU.
Im not trolling, Im telling it how it is and from that response, it sounds like I hit the nail on the head!
no, you missed by a long shot and smashed your pinky, but i'm not going to divulge the details of my personal situation on a public forum in general. i don't see the need in defending my position by telling my story and all that i've done, etc., especially not to some rude fuck like yourself. now do us all a favor and go shoot yourself in the fucking face.
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frankly, FUCK YOU.
Im not trolling, Im telling it how it is and from that response, it sounds like I hit the nail on the head!
no, you missed by a long shot and smashed your pinky, but i'm not going to divulge the details of my personal situation on a public forum in general. i don't see the need in defending my position by telling my story and all that i've done, etc., especially not to some rude fuck like yourself. now do us all a favor and go shoot yourself in the fucking face.
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no, you missed by a long shot and smashed your pinky, but i'm not going to divulge the details of my personal situation on a public forum in general. i don't see the need in defending my position by telling my story and all that i've done, etc., especially not to some rude fuck like yourself. now do us all a favor and go shoot yourself in the fucking face.
All I heard was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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please join him in the face shooting, for humanity's sake.
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Well, I tried to shoot my face but missed, better luck next time? So for now, Im still here 
No one wants to hang around you because youre so angry or just a cry baby
@ chub
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Well I don't have any money... therefor noone will be friends with me... might be the best option.
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yawn.
well one thing this post succeeding in doing, separated those of us with a high degree of intelligence, with depth in our understanding and the ability to perceive and communicate the energies of different, even contradictory perspectives,
from those who can't see anything further than their own anuses (chubba, misfitdeviate, dusk, fractalsomething, etc.)
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well one thing this post succeeding in doing, separated those of us with a high degree of intelligence, with depth in our understanding and the ability to perceive and communicate the energies of different, even contradictory perspectives,
I think we can all clearly see why your friends abandon you
Stop thinking you're better then others perhaps?
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yawn.
well one thing this post succeeding in doing, separated those of us with a high degree of intelligence, with depth in our understanding and the ability to perceive and communicate the energies of different, even contradictory perspectives,
from those who can't see anything further than their own anuses (chubba, misfitdeviate, dusk, fractalsomething, etc.)
maybe some people just disagree with your opinion that human relation is only because of money.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: Chubba]
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Its funny, he names off everyone who disagrees.
If you dont agree, then youre against us! 
If im too 'rough' for you then too bad! Im not going to sugar coat things so you can feel better about yourself.
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Greenspec, I didn't really wanna bring this up, but someone's gotta tell you: you are handling this in probably the worst way possible.
You gotta learn some internet aikido bro.
Just roll with the punches and redirect the thread. Don't get mired in this bullshit.
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did it ever occur to you that things said on an internet forum might be more...rhetorical or symbolic in nature, not necessarily reflecting the truth of the individual's daily existence?
maybe not, considering the contents of your thought process consist primarily of anus gazing, i think we can all clearly see that(having the audacity to speak on everyones behalf, after all...seems like you dumb fucks like to make a habit of that).
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: laserpig]
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Greenspec, I didn't really wanna bring this up, but someone's gotta tell you: you are handling this in probably the worst way possible.
You gotta learn some internet aikido bro.
Just roll with the punches and redirect the thread. Don't get mired in this bullshit.
there ain't nothing to handle bro...it's all a fucking smoke and mirrors mind game/internet forum. just a playground man...
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i've gone from having a career, marriage, whatever i want within reason to having nothing in the span of a year. i'm going through a divorce, living with my parents and haven't worked steadily in over a year (i was out of the country for most of last year). my friends have taken excellent care of me since i returned home and i feel like i've fallen into a nest of love and support. i don't know where i'd be without my friends.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
Money = ChuckECheese tickets.
You play someone else's game and get however much paper they give you.
You take it to the counter and they say "you can have these prizes, but not these. Play more games if you want these."
Except if you don't get enough prizes, you die.
this is beautiful
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So the question is, feed the trolls?
Or let a thread die?
Always a tough choice.
indeed. i think on this one, suffice it to say, its done. stick a fork in it, and good riddance.
so yeah, no one post anything else and we'll just let this clusterfuck of a thread fade into ceaselessness.
i dont kno why so many people chose to dog on you for this thread.
i found it interesting.
its always fun to see other peoples views and such.
thanks for sharing.
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Re: harsh truth is... [Re: igwna]
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I think this conversation would be going a bit differently if we were French.
I AM french
canadian?
and yeah, you people are retarded.
lol... "i had a friend liek you once!" 
idiots.
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I haven't read the thread, but I know someone sorta like this. I have zero respect for him.
I was never really his friend, but he's friends with some people I went to high school with. He never graduated. He doesn't have a job. He's been fired from several of them though. He NEVER has money. We'll go somewhere, and he'll wait until we're there, then say "Uh guys, I only have $3", expecting people will cover for him.
He lives in his parents house, and keeps telling me "I'm going to get my GED and join the army". It's been months. He still has no GED. He still has no job. He still has no money. He still is not self-sufficient, nor do I think he ever will be.
That is probably why. I don't care whether you're rich, or poor, but damn man, you have to try at least a little bit. If you have a job, and you show up on time every day, or ever try to make money for that matter, I will at least have some respect for you.
People who expect me to cover for them because they're too damn lazy to work do not gain my respect. Maybe you're not like that, and not speaking of people like that, but I'm just showing you the other side.
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