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The Joker not returning in Batman 3
#12697280 - 06/06/10 01:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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So apparently Christopher Nolan has announced that he will not use the Joker character again in any future Batman movie. http://movies.ign.com/articles/109/1094767p1.html
Personally, I think this is the right decision. Not for any kind of weepy I'm-sorry-Ledger-died thing (although that does indeed suck), I just think that any other actor playing the role would be a step down. Heath Ledger nailed that role so hard, I really think he may have set the gold standard for the Joker, now and for all time. To substitute anyone else in that role would just feel plastic and cheesy, even if they did a good job.
(Okay, not the most fascinating thread I ever made, but I'm tryin'a fill the Pub up with some content after this recent lamewave.)
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12697294 - 06/06/10 01:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know man, this guy is doing a great job with the role...!
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12697298 - 06/06/10 01:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm kind of glad as well. I'm hoping they stray from the characters they've already done in movies (catwoman, riddler, poison ivy, etc) and bring out some rarer ones like clayface, the ventriloquist, harley quinn, etc..
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: arg6]
#12697305 - 06/06/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can anyone explain where this Obama = Joker thing came from? Strikes me as one of the most dipshit comparisons ever made. I'm not saying I like Obama, I'm saying that comparing him to the Joker is meaningless.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Newbie]
#12697319 - 06/06/10 01:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wanna see Killer Croc and Ra's al Ghul
edit: maybe man-bat?
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12697321 - 06/06/10 01:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I want them to do King Tut. The one where they got trapped in a giant clam was funny.(A character from the old show on TV, Victor Bueno played him)
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: learningtofly]
#12697322 - 06/06/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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He was in the first one.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Newbie]
#12697337 - 06/06/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heath ledger was extraoridinary in his role as joker but let us not forget Jack Nicholson. His role as joker was very good as well and easily rivals that of Heath Ledger.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Newbie]
#12697344 - 06/06/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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If they do "the Riddler" right they could really get some deep psychological issues surrounding that character.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12697356 - 06/06/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Heath Ledger nailed that role so hard
I wasnt that impressed, I didnt buy the insanity...
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: CosmicFool]
#12697363 - 06/06/10 01:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicFool said: If they do "the Riddler" right they could really get some deep psychological issues surrounding that character.
they can get jim carey and the audience can take some of those psychological issues home with them
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12697370 - 06/06/10 01:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Heath Ledger nailed that role so hard
I wasnt that impressed, I didnt buy the insanity...
You're just about the only one then. Everyone who I talked to about the movie thought the joker definitely made the movie great, I don't think anyone could of played it better
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12697373 - 06/06/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Can anyone explain where this Obama = Joker thing came from? Strikes me as one of the most dipshit comparisons ever made. I'm not saying I like Obama, I'm saying that comparing him to the Joker is meaningless.
Some artist. I cant recall.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: CosmicFool]
#12697380 - 06/06/10 01:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicFool said: If they do "the Riddler" right they could really get some deep psychological issues surrounding that character.
Heath Ledger had maybe one of the best performances of any actor playing any character ever as the Joker. I saw the movie before I knew of his death and I was saying that about him. Only after I told a friend I was excited to see the Joker in future Batman movies a friend told me what had happened to Ledger.
CosmicFool I Agree, the Riddler would be a great replacement for the Joker as Batman's main nemesis.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12697390 - 06/06/10 01:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicFool said: If they do "the Riddler" right they could really get some deep psychological issues surrounding that character.
they can get jim carey and the audience can take some of those psychological issues home with them
I think if the movie itself wasnt so silly Jim Carey could have nailed that role as well. If his role was put in a more serious flick like the newest batman. IDK.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: DeadHearts]
#12697405 - 06/06/10 01:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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CosmicFool said: If they do "the Riddler" right they could really get some deep psychological issues surrounding that character.
they can get jim carey and the audience can take some of those psychological issues home with them
I think if the movie itself wasnt so silly Jim Carey could have nailed that role as well. If his role was put in a more serious flick like the newest batman. IDK.
he did a good dark job in the movie "23" and over all I think he's pretty versatile but he tends to get type cast.
the Riddler also has a bad history of being camp
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: CosmicFool]
#12697416 - 06/06/10 01:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bring back the Penguin!
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: The_Ghost]
#12697433 - 06/06/10 01:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anyway.. im much more excited for this new Nolan film then the next batman installment:
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: The_Ghost]
#12697457 - 06/06/10 02:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Greatest movie villain in recent history. He will be missed.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: The_Ghost]
#12697468 - 06/06/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said: Anyway.. im much more excited for this new Nolan film then the next batman installment:
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12697491 - 06/06/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I wasnt that impressed, I didnt buy the insanity...
the Joker isn't "insane" he's "super sane" he is the only one who really knows whats going on. He is the only character in the batman universe that is aware of (and breaks) the 4th wall
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Over several decades there have been a variety of depictions and possibilities regarding the Joker's apparent insanity. Grant Morrison's graphic novel Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth suggests that the Joker's mental state is in fact a previously unprecedented form of "super-sanity," a form of ultra-sensory perception. It also suggests that he has no true personality of his own, that on any given day he can be a harmless clown or a vicious killer, depending on which would benefit him the most.
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The character is sometimes portrayed as having a fourth wall awareness. In Batman: The Animated Series, the Joker is the only character to talk directly into the "camera" and can be heard whistling his own theme music in the episode adaptation of the comic Mad Love. Also, in the episode "Joker's Wild", he says into the camera, "Don't try this at home, kids!" In the Marvel vs DC crossover, he also demonstrates knowledge of the first Batman/Spider-Man crossover even though that story's events did not occur in the canonical history of either the Marvel or DC universe. On page five of "Sign of The Joker", the second half of the "Laughing Fish" storyline, the Joker turns the page for the reader, bowing and tipping his hat in mock politeness. On the official websites and associated promotional material for The Dark Knight, graffiti characteristic of the Joker can be found.[51] On the website IBelieveinHarveyDentToo.com, hidden among laughter is the message "See you in December", referring to the release of the film's trailer.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: DeadHearts]
#12697626 - 06/06/10 02:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was Shephard Fairey, or something like that.
He did it with the tag "why so socialist?"
EDIT: I'm retarded. He did the "Change" poster.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#12697691 - 06/06/10 02:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nicholson's Joker was great for the tone of the film that he was in, Ledger's was great for his own, darker, film.
I used to watch Batman the Animated Series as a kid and you just blew my mind with the second quotation you have there CosmicFool.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12697764 - 06/06/10 03:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Can anyone explain where this Obama = Joker thing came from? Strikes me as one of the most dipshit comparisons ever made. I'm not saying I like Obama, I'm saying that comparing him to the Joker is meaningless.
Obama != Teh Joker
Obama = Charlie Chaplin
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: DeadHearts]
#12697800 - 06/06/10 03:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: I think if the movie itself wasnt so silly Jim Carey could have nailed that role as well. If his role was put in a more serious flick like the newest batman. IDK.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12697879 - 06/06/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jim Carey could have been a good joker if the movie was actually any good. He didn't write/direct Batman Forever, he just played the role the way it was asked.
Heath Ledger did a good joker, but it was not the end all be all of joker performances. He just put his own spin on the insanity. Which I think is the biggest problem with replacing him. You either have to change the way the Joker acts or have someone do a cheap imitation of Heath. It would probably be a bad idea to put him in a movie now, but if we were talking 2 or 3 movies from now it wouldn't matter.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Newbie]
#12697881 - 06/06/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Newbie said: I'm kind of glad as well. I'm hoping they stray from the characters they've already done in movies (catwoman, riddler, poison ivy, etc) and bring out some rarer ones like clayface, the ventriloquist, harley quinn, etc..
Clayface FTW!
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I also thought about Jim Carey playing The Joker. I certainly hope to see him play him one day.
Heath Ledger play him GREAT, but it was different. It also helped that his messed up face was more realistic.
I really hope Harley Quinn is in the next one .
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12698043 - 06/06/10 04:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: I think if the movie itself wasnt so silly Jim Carey could have nailed that role as well. If his role was put in a more serious flick like the newest batman. IDK.

My point exactly.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: DeadHearts]
#12698085 - 06/06/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those prople who think Heath did some uber-religious performance as the Joker obviously didn't read the early Batman comics with the Joker in them
Jacks Joker was a far more realistic version of the comic book Joker 
I agree with Pris on this one, his performance was ..... meh
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: niteowl]
#12698128 - 06/06/10 04:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you're right in that a lot of us never read the Batman comics. I certainly didn't. I also think you're right in saying that this is partly why we liked Heath Ledger's performance so much.
Maybe he didn't uphold the Joker tradition or whatever, but he gave a very visceral and very modern performance. That's exactly what I liked so much: he didn't worry about "acting like the Joker." In a way, it was a totally new character.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: laserpig]
#12698590 - 06/06/10 06:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I liked Jack Nicholson's portrayal too but Heath Ledger was able to better pull off that spark of pure insanity IMO.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: deCypher]
#12698694 - 06/06/10 06:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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For some reason, I think Crispin Glover might be a good riddler.
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: x Ju x]
#12698701 - 06/06/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: The Joker not returning in Batman 3 [Re: niteowl]
#12698750 - 06/06/10 06:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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you knew the consequences...
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