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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Connie said: Well if you put the number of deaths from both sides on a balance, you will see one side heavily weighing down the other. A lot of these suicide bombers are close relatives to the many civilians who have been blown up because they live in Gaza. You can't expect Hamas to stop trying to attack Israel after all the years of attempted genocide they have experienced. But what you said is a very good indication of the situation. And that is basically that no side is willing to give up the fight.
Since when did warfare become about making sure you inflict "balanced" causualties to your enemy? I thought it was about achieving an objective. Just because the Palistians are inferior and die more then their Israeli enemy that automatically makes the Isrealis wrong, and the Palistianans saints. We all know the answe is no, but your sure trying to make it sound like that.
Not all at. but it MIGHT be an indication on who's more aggressive?
Which sounds more just, a murder being hunted down, caught and punished accordingly or just wiping out the murders home and family? that's what goes on out there. People are quick to play the Islamic people are backwards and evil but you have to understand Israel is far from justifying it's actions too.
Aid* simple spelling mistake.
There is plenty of agression on both sides, anyone who says different is a liar or out of touch with reality. How can your be so critical of one sides agression, and then try to justify the others. And don't say that you haven't tried justifying the other sides aggression, because I've quoted it below
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Connie said: You can't expect Hamas to stop trying to attack Israel after all the years of attempted genocide they have experienced.
Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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Connie said: Well if you put the number of deaths from both sides on a balance, you will see one side heavily weighing down the other. A lot of these suicide bombers are close relatives to the many civilians who have been blown up because they live in Gaza. You can't expect Hamas to stop trying to attack Israel after all the years of attempted genocide they have experienced. But what you said is a very good indication of the situation. And that is basically that no side is willing to give up the fight.
Since when did warfare become about making sure you inflict "balanced" causualties to your enemy? I thought it was about achieving an objective. Just because the Palistians are inferior and die more then their Israeli enemy that automatically makes the Isrealis wrong, and the Palistianans saints. We all know the answe is no, but your sure trying to make it sound like that.
I heard an excellent point made the other day. Unfortunately I can't remember who said it but it went essentially like this:
If the Palestinians put their weapons down the war will be over. If the Israelis put their weapons down Israel will be over.
That is an indisputable fact.
You could also argue that if Israel stopped massacring children that Hamas would stop firing rockets into Israel and if Gazans were treated like humans they might act like them towards Israel.
What needs to happen is both sides put the guns/bombs down. Not going to happen unfortunately.
Your right it's not going to happen, so what would you have Israel do with an enemy that isn't going to be satisfied with anything short of the destruction of their nation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to paint the Jews as innocent saints. I'm not like you, I don't try to demonize one side, and exonerate another
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
Again I'm going to ask you to educate me. Has Israel taken any land that was part of a war instigated by them? If not how are they denying them food and caging them.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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Connie said: Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
Here is a test to see how in touch with reality your are. It's only a one question test.
Do you really believe that there is anyway the Jews could change their policies toward the Palestinians that would result in Palestinians being peaceful toward their Jewish State?
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
Again I'm going to ask you to educate me. Has Israel taken any land that was part of a war instigated by them? If not how are they denying them food and caging them.
Are you serious? Was it you who said earlier in this thread that you weren't up to date with the subject? (not saying i know everything)
Have you seen the list of prohibited items?
Prohibited sage cardamom cumin coriander ginger jam halva vinegar nutmeg chocolate fruit preserves seeds and nuts biscuits and sweets potato chips gas for soft drinks dried fruit fresh meat plaster tar wood for construction cement iron glucose industrial salt plastic/glass/metal containers industrial margarine tarpaulin sheets for huts fabric (for clothing) flavor and smell enhancers fishing rods various fishing nets buoys ropes for fishing nylon nets for greenhouses hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries spare parts for tractors dairies for cowsheds irrigation pipe systems ropes to tie greenhouses planters for saplings heaters for chicken farms musical instruments size A4 paper writing implements notebooks newspapers toys razors sewing machines and spare parts heaters horses donkeys goats cattle
Have you heard about the blockade?
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Connie said: Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
Here is a test to see how in touch with reality your are. It's only a one question test.
Do you really believe that there is anyway the Jews could change their policies toward the Palestinians that would result in Palestinians being peaceful toward their Jewish State?
Yes I do believe there is. (just cause I believe doesn't make it true) I think a peace treaty, meaning both sides put down their arms and financial aid to help rebuild Gaza would go a long way. BUT the problem is both sides hate each other too much to even consider this at the moment. In an ideal world, the people of Gaza would remove Hamas from power and start a new government and the Israeli's would stop bombing, beating and imprisoning civilians.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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Connie said: Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
Here is a test to see how in touch with reality your are. It's only a one question test.
Do you really believe that there is anyway the Jews could change their policies toward the Palestinians that would result in Palestinians being peaceful toward their Jewish State?
Yes I do believe there is. (just cause I believe doesn't make it true) I think a peace treaty, meaning both sides put down their arms and financial aid to help rebuild Gaza would go a long way. BUT the problem is both sides hate each other too much to even consider this at the moment. In an ideal world, the people of Gaza would remove Hamas from power and start a new government and the Israeli's would stop bombing, beating and imprisoning civilians.
Well we don't live in an ideal world, we live in the real world. You are out of touch with the reality.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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Yeah I'm seriously asking you to answer my question.
Again I'm going to ask you to educate me. Has Israel taken any land that was part of a war instigated by them?
Once you answer then I will respond to your query.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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You of course have a credible source for that list?
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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Connie said: Well if you put the number of deaths from both sides on a balance, you will see one side heavily weighing down the other. A lot of these suicide bombers are close relatives to the many civilians who have been blown up because they live in Gaza. You can't expect Hamas to stop trying to attack Israel after all the years of attempted genocide they have experienced. But what you said is a very good indication of the situation. And that is basically that no side is willing to give up the fight.
Since when did warfare become about making sure you inflict "balanced" causualties to your enemy? I thought it was about achieving an objective. Just because the Palistians are inferior and die more then their Israeli enemy that automatically makes the Isrealis wrong, and the Palistianans saints. We all know the answe is no, but your sure trying to make it sound like that.
I heard an excellent point made the other day. Unfortunately I can't remember who said it but it went essentially like this:
If the Palestinians put their weapons down the war will be over. If the Israelis put their weapons down Israel will be over.
That is an indisputable fact.
You could also argue that if Israel stopped massacring children that Hamas would stop firing rockets into Israel and if Gazans were treated like humans they might act like them towards Israel.
They were treated like humans. They were given the Gaza Strip to do with what they wanted. What they wanted was to attack Israel which they proceeded to do. So since they have proven themselves to be murdering thugs they get treated like murdering thugs. Israel didn't retaliate until after THOUSANDS of rockets were launched. Fuck the Gazans.Quote:
What needs to happen is both sides put the guns/bombs down. Not going to happen unfortunately.
Massacring children? Just fucking stop. You are beclowning yourself. What that guy said is entirely 100% correct. The minute the Pallys and the other murdering thugs stop attempting to eradicate Israel the war will be over. That's it. End of conflict. All done.
Those pictures were funny. Israelis arrest Pally thug children and you think they're using them for shields. I LOLed.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Obviously there is aggression both sides, they both despise each other. But if you put an animal in a cage, poke him and keep him hungry constantly, don't expect him to cuddle into your arms when you let him out.
Again I'm going to ask you to educate me. Has Israel taken any land that was part of a war instigated by them? If not how are they denying them food and caging them.
Ive seen you ask this question a lot, and I think you should read up on the six days war. The truth is that the war was very complicated and Egypt and other countries did not just outright attack Israel.
A lot led up to that war, for instance water was a hot button issue before the war. Israel started to withdraw water from the Jordan river before it flowed into Jordan, which reduced the overall flow into Jordan. The Arabs decided to band together and divert the flow into their own states before the water even reached Israel. Israel did not like this idea and conducted air strikes in Syrian territory to stop it.
Another issue was Syria making little attacks on Israeli territory including the famous incident where a ground bomb went off and killed some IDF soldiers. Even though Syria was the one encouraging these types of terrorist efforts (Jordan was not), Israel blamed Jordan as the strikes emanated from Jordan territory. The King of Jordan did not want war and wrote a letter of apology to Israel, however from what I remember the letter did not reach Israel on time. Israel amassed a few thousand soldiers and descended upon the city they viewed were perpetuating the attacks and some fighting took place. Keep in mind that Jordan is not to be lumped with the likes of Syria. Jordan cooperated with Israel for many years before this incident trying to stop the spread of terrorism in their country. They were and still are one of the few 'civilized' countries in the region, though they are a monarchy so eh.
Syria was shelling Israel and encouraging terrorism at the borders with Israel. However Israel was using this as a means for land grabbing. It is now well understood and documented that part of Israels strategy was to inch further into Syrian territory and take over the land where fighting was. There have been quotes by upper leaders and military leaders saying as much.
So now we get into Egypt which was trying to assert its dominance as a middle east player. They started to amass troops and decided that Israel could not pass it's ships through the Straits of Tiran which was generally considered international waters. Some reports say that the USSR was feeding Syria false information that Israel was about to invade them. Syria then would inform Egypt which escalated the whole situation. With Israel cut off from the Straits of Tiran they decided to reach out to the US and UK for help. The US informed them that they would not help, but that Israel could easilly kick the entire Middle Easts ass if need be.
Now enter the war, the war was going to happen, or at least probably going to happen. Israel was training intensely for it. The war started when Israel preemptively brought its Air Force to Egypt to destroy Egypt's Air Force. Amazingly the operation was a total success and Israel destroyed the only other modern air force in the war. All countries attacked and Israel cleaned up.
Alright that was from memory, Im sure wikipedia will be much more detailed, hopefully nothing I said is wrong. So ultimately Israel was both a defender and an aggressor. Id say there's no question that Israel wanted the land they took before the war started and helped to instigate the war. That said the Arab Countries involved in the war are more to blame for the war with Syria supporting terrorist activities into Israel, Egypt cutting off ship passage to Israel and amassing an army for a clear attack.
That all said there is no question in my mind that the land that Israel has is now theirs. Liberals are so happy to live in California which was stolen from Mexico. I think that liberals take a 'well it happened a while ago' approach to all land grabbing activities. Even though the world was formed through warring states giving up control of land, they think that all of that past land grabbing is now decided. But anything new is abhorrent.
One thing I like about this war is that it asserts the role of air superiority being crucial in a war. From the Battle of Britain to the Six Days War air superiority is vital.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Chespirito]
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Oh I forgot to add, this was the war when Israel sunk a US ship that was stationed outside to keep an eye on things. They presumably did not mean to sink it, but there are conspiracy theories to the contrary. You can read up on that if you want, Id say that the conspiracy theories have mildly compelling arguments but not compelling enough for me to think they are true.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Chespirito]
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Hey thanks for the info. Just as complicated as human affairs usually are. Dysfunctional lot of primates.
Syria was shelling Israel and encouraging terrorism at the borders with Israel. However Israel was using this as a means for land grabbing.
This part stuck out at me. If I had some redneck shooting at my house and encouraging the neighbors to fuck with me you could be pretty sure that if I was able I'd fuck that dood up as bad as I could and take everything he had and leave him without the resources to fight me ever again if possible. Now this coming from myself who has always been a live and let live kind of guy. So imo whether you perceive it as a land grab or not they are totally justified in doing it.
I never considered Israel totally blameless. That almost never happens. But considering their situation I can't really consider them the leading bad guy in the play.
And your point about liberals and California is one I've tried to make many times at the shroomery only to have it fall on deaf ears. It's so easy to point a finger away from yourself.
If anybody is as crazy mad as our christian fundy's it the fundy Islamics. The world would be much better off without both imo. No matter how hard that would make it for the Repubs to win an election.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Icelander]
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The jews are murdering thugs, fuck the israeli´s
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: zappaisgod]
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What needs to happen is both sides put the guns/bombs down. Not going to happen unfortunately.
Massacring children? Just fucking stop. You are beclowning yourself. What that guy said is entirely 100% correct. The minute the Pallys and the other murdering thugs stop attempting to eradicate Israel the war will be over. That's it. End of conflict. All done.
Those pictures were funny. Israelis arrest Pally thug children and you think they're using them for shields. I LOLed.
You are beyond clueless I'm afraid.
Proof is here you Neocon swine
http://www.fastforgaza.net/node/139
http://www.imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=58197
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7814054.stm
And this is just after a 60 second Google search. Chill out, have a beer and turn on more Fox News. No doubt you wont look at the links though, terrified of the truth.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
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If the best you can do is flaming then you are FAIL.
Some nice hate you got goin there. What makes you so different?
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: tomnl]
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Nice debate skills ya got goin there.
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: Connie]
#12693918 - 06/05/10 09:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your first two sources are Palestinian and the BBC says this:
Israel said its soldiers had come under fire from militants inside the school.
And this:
Israel says its offensive is stopping militants firing rockets, but at least five hit southern Israel on Tuesday, with one reaching the town of Gedera, about 40km (25 miles) from Gaza, and injuring a baby.
Four Israeli civilians have been killed by rocket fire from the Gaza Strip since the offensive began.
You are a complete propagandist. The indisputable fact is that if the Pallys stop attacking Israel then the war will be over, 100%. Israel will fight them no more. Are you not aware that these idiots are being used by Iran to fight Israel? Why are you a tool for Iranian thugs? Are you not female?
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: zappaisgod]
#12695171 - 06/06/10 01:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappa, you (and many others here) appear to be ridiculously misinformed on this debate, for how much you slander one side of it anyways. But i do believe you are a bigot, so it may be intentional.
quick examples off the top of my head: -5 of ships were "boarded without incident"? This is wrong. It's simply what the IDF says, so of course it is objective. Actually, many passengers on the other boats were beaten and violently arrested, just like many on the Mavi Marmara. You can find testimonies from professional politicians workers, government reps, and ordinary activists, if you look. (You wont, of course, as the Israel i government's version of the story is arbitrarily labelled as "correct" and the other perspective need not be examined or believed) -Israel lets "plenty of aid into Gaza", and they just want to check it for weapons?? Nah, this is actually wrong too. Since Israel began their medieval-style siege of Gaza, about 80% of former imports have been limited by Israel, and 150 individually identifiable items are now let in, compared to over 4,000 before. (This according to B-Tselem) (THIS is part of the reason that the aid convoy refused to go through the "proper channels" as you so helpfully recommend. The other part of the reason is so that the event, as well as Israel's reaction (whether condemnation, raiding and confiscating, or worse), would draw media attention to the disgusting siege Israel is imposing.) -There's no humanitarian crisis in Gaza? Wrong again. like i said, 150 items are allowed in, and essentially none of these are rebuilding items (to repair, for example, the infrastructure Israel destroyed in "Operation Cast Lead". 80% of the people like below the poverty line, and the World Food Program says that 80% of households rely on completely on foreign aid for at least some kind of basic necessity or another. According to the UN Relief and Works Agency, the number of Gazans w/o access to acceptable drinking water has tripled since the siege was imposed. I particularly like this fun fact: 65% of children from 9-12 months old are anemic, according to the WHO.
AAAANYWAYS, I'm very excited about your most recent statement, because i believe it is the first thing you've ever said that i agree with fully. It was this: "The indisputable fact is that if the Pallys stop attacking Israel then the war will be over, 100%." You are completely correct. And if the Native Americans simply did as they were told to avoid all kinds of European/U.S. terrorism, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and forced relocation, and if they did not fight back once, then surely the conflict between them and "us" would have ended immediately. After all, they had no reason to resist. Uhhh... right??
You still seem like a fascist to me.
It's also funny to hear you say he Irish and Irish gov are pussies for supporting the Palestinians cause. Have you forgotten the Irish-British conflicts? If you know anything about that and the Israel-Palestine one, you'll notice that they are similar in many ways, ie Ireland and Palestine facing occupation and forced partition imposed by a foreign government.
Simplicitry: to answer your question about whether a change in Israeli policy would make Palestinians peaceful toward the Israeli gov, I would say yes, clearly. Israel should lift its siege on Gaza, allow people and materials in and out, and they should agree with the broad international consensus (falling in line even with what what the disgusting Hamas organization endorses) on a two-state solution, and allow it to be implemented immediately (This means no more illegal settlements and colonization of the West Bank). Israel should also grant Muslim Palestinian Refugees (there are 4.6 million+ of them), or at least those in refugee camps, the right of return, to allow them to move back to their homes, lands and villages that they were kicked out of in 1948 and 1967, rather than excluding Arabs from movement out of Gaza and land ownership inside over 90% of Israel. Israel is a "Democracy" where Palestinians are not allowed in, to where they used to live. (Imagine much harsher Native American reservations where entry and exit are barred, except imagine that they were all created within the past 60 years) Israel could also do things like, say, moving their "separation barrier" from INSIDE the West Bank, where it annexes 11.9% of Palestinian land and a hugely disproportionate amount of freshwater resources, to just inside the Israeli border (which would technically be the '67 border, as Israel refuses to define its borders-- because it is always expanding).
Phred: that video is ALL bullshit. Armed with guns? Nope, the passengers TOOK the guns from the Israeli soldiers. Would you take guns of the people that raided your car on the highway and started shooting your passengers when they resisted in an attempt to make them leave? I would. And do you REALLY believe the "Go back to Auschwitz video" wasn't fabricated by the Israeli Navy? Have you listened to it? Haha, it's fucking hilarious. I especially love the shitty arabic accent on the perfectly timed "go bak to Auschwitz", and the walkie-talkie static click at the end of both that comment and the American one about 9/11. The woman in between the two, making the only reasonable statement (and without the walkie-talkie static click), is Huwaida Arraf, as identified by her husband. Problem: ARRAF WAS NOT ON THE MARVI MARMARA. Also, I think Israel's right to exist, as referenced in the Steyn article, should be recognized by Palestinians after the Israli government recognizes Palestine's right to exist... What do you think?
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Edited by The Tourist (06/06/10 01:36 AM)
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Re: Did Israel Cross the Line? [Re: The Tourist]
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You've just made a huge amount of claims without much evidence to share with us besides your opinion.
that video is ALL bullshit. Armed with guns? Nope, the passengers TOOK the guns from the Israeli soldiers.
Start with this one. I'm very open to your presentation of evidence. Share please.
AAAANYWAYS, I'm very excited about your most recent statement, because i believe it is the first thing you've ever said that i agree with fully. It was this: "The indisputable fact is that if the Pallys stop attacking Israel then the war will be over, 100%." You are completely correct. And if the Native Americans simply did as they were told to avoid all kinds of European/U.S. terrorism, occupation, ethnic cleansing, and forced relocation, and if they did not fight back once, then surely the conflict between them and "us" would have ended immediately. After all, they had no reason to resist. Uhhh... right??
I'm not too sure I see the connection here. The American Indians were invaded by Europeans. And Indians fought wars over territory all the time and the winner held that land.
So considering the fact that in the last war Israel won land in a war they really didn't start as far as I know that land is legitimately theirs. OK so lets just say that's true. Now explain how the Israelis would continue to harm Palestine if the Palestinians ceased to attack Israel?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (06/06/10 06:44 AM)
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