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Re: What would it take to convince someone [Re: Phred]
    #1267477 - 02/01/03 09:08 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Here's more from Dennis - March 2002:

The thought that this is somehow the policy of the Baghdad government is rubbish. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan has never ever pointed a finger in that direction. He's reported regularly that the program, in as much as it works, works. There's no diversion of monies, or of foodstuffs. To point the finger at Saddam Hussein, of course, is very attractive. He's the bad guy, he's been demonized, etc., but we are in charge of the economy in Iraq so only we can change that. If you look at the history of the Baath Party and its social policies, this party stayed in power for 20 years by providing housing, employment, education and healthcare -- the very aspects of life that are missing now -- thanks to the U.N. and the deadly embargo of the Security Council.


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Re: What would it take to convince someone [Re: Phred]
    #1267493 - 02/01/03 09:13 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any statements from him more recent than his resignation speech that show he is still throwing around the bogus 600,000 figure? Didn't think so.

Looks like you thought wrong pink. Here's Dennis from November 29 2001. Hope that crow tastes nice!

The most recent report of the UN secretary-general, in October 2001, says that the US and UK governments' blocking of $4bn of humanitarian supplies is by far the greatest constraint on the implementation of the oil-for-food programme. The report says that, in contrast, the Iraqi government's distribution of humanitarian supplies is fully satisfactory (as it was when we headed this programme). The death of some 5-6,000 children a month is mostly due to contaminated water, lack of medicines and malnutrition. The US and UK governments' delayed clearance of equipment and materials is responsible for this tragedy, not Baghdad.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4309594,00.html



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Re: What would it take to convince someone [Re: Xlea321]
    #1269284 - 02/01/03 08:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Alex123 writes:

Here's Dennis from November 29 2001.

So Mr. Halliday has read UNICEF'S report yet continues to publicly misrepresent its findings. Since he can no longer claim ignorance, I will no longer accord him the courtesy of attributing his earlier opinions to simple ignorance. My respect for him is now zero.

Do you think the "surrender agreements" the Nazi's placed on the countries they conquered should have been abided by?

Are you seriously trying to say that the aggressor's rights trump those of the liberator's? Do you want to let that statement stand? Surely you mis-spoke yourself. You may correct it with no negative commentary from me -- even I can't believe you really mean that.

Excuse me, but we've had inspectors in there until 1998, they're back in now. When precisely do you think he had time to rebuild the water amenties?

Inspectors wouldn't have objected to water purification plants and water mains being repaired. He's had 12 years to rebuild both.

Do you really believe Dubya would allow Iraq to make chlorine without invading?

Yes.

No, it's about what the international response should be to countries accused of breaking UN resolutions.

Actually, no it's not. Re-read the opening post in the thread. Stonedfish asked: "But to those who refuse, what would it take to convince you that we must get rid of Saddam?"

No, the tragedy lies in being so utterly moronic you can only comprehend the situation in terms of "Yes" or "No". It's too childlike to be taken with anything but amusment.

The only thing amusing here are your lame evasions. Let's sum up:

Alex123 believes that:

-- Iraq should not be invaded before all other countries who have had UN resolutions filed against them have been.
-- The UNICEF personnel who conducted the Iraq mortality surveys are lying, but those who misrepresent their results are not.
-- Iraq's public amenities damaged in 1991 have not been rebuilt because Hussein is incapable of rebuilding them.
-- Fundamentalists would now be in charge of Iraq if the UN coalition had deposed Hussein in 1991.
-- Initiators of wars are to receive no punishment.
-- Hussein must not be deposed by force until dozens of leaders as bad as Saddam are deposed by force.
-- The UN sanctions should never have been imposed -- ***on this we agree***
-- The UN does whatever the US wants it to.
-- The UN decision to expel Iraqi occupation forces from Kuwait in 1991 was a bad decision.
-- The decision to leave Hussein in power in 1991 was a good decision.
-- The UN should take no action against Iraq other than continuing to file condemnatory resolutions.
-- Even if the UN supported an attempt to invade Iraq, Alex123 would not.
-- Surrender agreements have no validity.

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Re: What would it take to convince someone [Re: Phred]
    #1269369 - 02/01/03 09:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So Mr. Halliday has read UNICEF'S report yet continues to publicly misrepresent its findings.

See, this is the trouble with doing 2 minute google searches and thinking you are an expert pink. Halliday has obviously seen a lot more UN and UNICEF's reports than you, including the one in 2001. He believes 700,000 kids have been slaughtered. You ever considered you just might be wrong and Halliday's right? Think about it.

Are you seriously trying to say that the aggressor's rights trump those of the liberator's?

Well Israel has breached UN resolutions for decades and never been invaded yet. Why havn't we invaded and imposed "surrender aggreements" in Israel? Whatever happened to justice? Isn't blowing the fuck out of a country enough? Do you really need to torture them for the rest of eternity?

And of course you're assuming the best way of getting Iraq to comply with anything is going to war. As public opinion and everyone from Nelson Mandela on thinks - this has nothing to do with making Iraq "comply" with anything and a helluva lot to do with getting your hands on oil.

Inspectors wouldn't have objected to water purification plants and water mains being repaired. He's had 12 years to rebuild both.

Chlorine pink, Chlorine. Saddam is forbidden from importing Chlorine. Do you think they are going to let him make it for christs sake? THINK.

Actually, no it's not.

Actually it is. If this was about getting rid of Saddam we would have done it 20 years ago when he had enormous quantities of chemical weapons that america had supplied him with. Instead of course, Rumsfield was over there shaking his hand and trying to sell him more.

Don't believe everything Dubya tells you. Consider that he might be lying.

Alex123 believes that:

Where on earth did you get this crap from?


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