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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: rikuni]
#12697058 - 06/06/10 12:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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rikuni said: No, You are talking about things that are not currently possible and may never be.
You believe some scientists , they are wrong in so many things 
It will take more than the word of someone on this forum to prove that what you speak of is actually possible at this time.
So I'm asking you to back your statements with any kind of evidence.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true. This seems to be a common belief here and I see no good reason for it.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I wrote here not too long ago about a friend's adolescent son who had one ear plugged with an IPod, the other ear against a cell phone, a laptop sat on his stomach while the TV was on in front of him. A picture of piggery. A glutton for the audio-visual senses. The senses cannot provide fulfillment.
One man's picture of piggery is another man's avenue of attainment. Let the fool persist, in fact, give him a push. Don't just eat that steak, eat the hell out of it. This is why I don't think the purity of Zen and the solemnity of classic mysticism is for our kind, the time has come for a more humorous and horrendous approach.
Icelander: This forum is for the transcendence of puny concepts such as "true" and "false". If someone makes a specific claim that you can debunk with a reference feel free, otherwise STFU.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Middleman]
#12701688 - 06/07/10 05:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im with you dude, this awareness has to be integrated into life/realized as life, not separated from it For a time 'shun the objects of the senses as if they were poison' (shankara) can be very powerful Yet i feel the whole ultimate point of all this is integral experience, not creating more inner separation
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Middleman]
#12701713 - 06/07/10 05:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. Middle said:
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I wrote here not too long ago about a friend's adolescent son who had one ear plugged with an IPod, the other ear against a cell phone, a laptop sat on his stomach while the TV was on in front of him. A picture of piggery. A glutton for the audio-visual senses. The senses cannot provide fulfillment.
One man's picture of piggery is another man's avenue of attainment. Let the fool persist, in fact, give him a push. Don't just eat that steak, eat the hell out of it. This is why I don't think the purity of Zen and the solemnity of classic mysticism is for our kind, the time has come for a more humorous and horrendous approach.
Icelander: This forum is for the transcendence of puny concepts such as "true" and "false". If someone makes a specific claim that you can debunk with a reference feel free, otherwise STFU.
Next time I'll rephrase.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Chronic7]
#12702731 - 06/07/10 12:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: For a time 'shun the objects of the senses as if they were poison' (shankara) can be very powerful
Asceticism is for wankers; IMO the road of excess is a faster route to the palace of wisdom. It ultimately comes down to personal preference of course.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Middleman]
#12702810 - 06/07/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. Middle said: This is why I don't think the purity of Zen and the solemnity of classic mysticism is for our kind, the time has come for a more humorous and horrendous approach.
Hmm, I like this idea.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12702969 - 06/07/10 01:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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i like the pure approach, there's less to do and i'm lazy like that
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deff]
#12703248 - 06/07/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thinking things out for oneself is hard work.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Icelander]
#12703278 - 06/07/10 02:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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as we think things out we create the very things we're thinking out
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deff]
#12703288 - 06/07/10 02:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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as far as you know, that's true.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Icelander]
#12703293 - 06/07/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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at least when i'm thinking it's true it is
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deff]
#12703312 - 06/07/10 02:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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deff said: as we think things out we create the very things we're thinking out 
Or is it the Universe that is creating itself through the illusion of your thoughts?
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deff]
#12703317 - 06/07/10 02:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish that worked for me. I'd be emperor of the world right now.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deCypher]
#12703320 - 06/07/10 02:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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why even postulate a universe?
that too is a thought! 
(and all this thinking is too much work imo)
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deff]
#12703331 - 06/07/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I tried disbelieving the Universe out of existence but then I experienced an incredibly painful hangover and realized that the external world persists no matter what I think.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deCypher]
#12703452 - 06/07/10 02:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deCypher]
#12703607 - 06/07/10 02:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cyph3r said:
IMO the road of excess is a faster route to the palace of wisdom.
Agreed. Unfortunately, the road of excess is also a faster route to the palace of dead.
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Middleman]
#12703963 - 06/07/10 03:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heaven Here Hell
Oh no! Don't take me out of here I can't get out of here Oh no! Get me out of here
have what you want
Respectively
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: Middleman]
#12703983 - 06/07/10 03:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. Middle said:
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Cyph3r said:
IMO the road of excess is a faster route to the palace of wisdom.
Agreed. Unfortunately, the road of excess is also a faster route to the palace of dead.
Live dangerously, right?
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Re: Question For The Sages On Here [Re: deff]
#12704178 - 06/07/10 04:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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deff said: i like the pure approach, there's less to do and i'm lazy like that 
Slack on, brother.
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